Who loses their Salvation, and for "what" do they lose it for...?

Kenny'sID said:

And that says it very well.

If we love God, feel we should be obedient to him, and do, we are hell bound legalists.

Shame on the bunch of us for not following the twisted version of Gods word from the one and only master of confusion.

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Wow. Never read one who so clearly admit that feeling that we should love God, or do love God or feel we should be obedient are hell bound. I have never encountered the fruit of OSAS that is as rotten as this. Now loving God makes you hell bound.

One can so easily see the origin of the OSAS theology as in the fruit it produces in your post. Now loving God or feeling we should be obedient makes one hell bound.

Dorothy Mae said:

Wow. Never read one who so clearly admit that feeling that we should love God, or do love God or feel we should be obedient are hell bound. I have never encountered the fruit of OSAS that is as rotten as this. Now loving God makes you hell bound.

One can so easily see the origin of the OSAS theology as in the fruit it produces in your post. Now loving God or feeling we should be obedient makes one hell bound.

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It was sarcasm, I hate OSAS.

Neogaia777 said:

I really don't have a clue what's going on, or what "I" did (or didn't do), but I do suspect it was something and not nothing, but beyond that, I really don't know...

I'm just getting my downloads and orders from God and putting them on here, I don't know what anyone else is supposed to think of it, or about it, as I myself do not even know much of time, but it is what it is and I am what I am, and how God made me, ect...

God Bless!

God Bless!

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If you claim you are speaking (getting downloads) from God, we are obligated then to judge the content of your claim. THis is scriptural. If a man speaks from himself we are under no such obligation. But claim God is speaking through you and the need to judge the contents kicks in.

So without reading any of your posts, I can tell that GOd is not the one downloading into you. The prophets KNOWS what he thinks of the things he gets from God and that all of the time. He understands what God is saying and why. That you are in the dark about what you are receiving is not good. God does not work that way.

Kenny'sID said:

It was sarcasm, I hate OSAS.

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OK, but you might want to change how you communicate then. The sarcasm was not clear.

Dorothy Mae said:

OK, but you might want to change how you communicate then. The sarcasm was not clear.

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I'm sure it was my fault, it always is.

Dorothy Mae said:

Then there is nothing to lose that anyone knows about. So why are you so grateful when you believe you were not lost as being lost is not possible according to your last line?

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If I was saved but severely backslidden, I'm grateful for being brought out of it. If I wasn't saved at all, then I'm grateful for those whose prayers and actions contributed to my salvation.

Neogaia777 said:

I just mean that He gives me ideas, thoughts, new concepts, one might call "revelations" or something, as for my every exact word being the exact words of God, I do not mean nor claim that, but, the concepts, the ideas, the philosophies, that come from or out of me, are from Him, is all...

He has taught me much of His, is all I meant... and continues to do so, and/or/but or so, for that reason, I may not be completely error free (like Him) (yet) either at times...

But my accuracy is pretty good now and only getting better day by day...

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That explains a lot, and what does God tell you, pray tell?

Dorothy Mae said:

If you had the fear of Him in your life then, how could you walk away? How come you were not "constrained for a time" so you couldn't? Were you a true believer while you had fallen away? If you weren't a true believer, how did you have the fear of him? The fear of him prevents us from sin, by the way. Does that describe the time you were away?

I know well the teaching of Once Saved Always Saved but that teaching is no where in the Bible. When Jesus said they fell away (or will fall away) it means lost. It does not mean "just less rewards."

Less rewards are already the future for those who hide the treasure he gave them and have no fruit in their lives.

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Yes I was born again at 13 and baptised shortly after.
The Fear of God within seals us against falling away to the extent of loosing salvation.
I had 11 years in the wilderness and knew I needed to return to faith.
He picked me up and gave me a second chance.
I was allowed to wander because He knew that my healing and testimony would ultimately impact lives for Him which it has.
The fear of God does not stop folks from sinning. we don't stop being sinners when we are saved.
It was a painful return with 7 years of prayer and ministry to fully heal the effects of taking drugs. That was 35 years ago.
Jesus deals with us the way He deals with us, we cant insist that he does so within the confines of our theological box.
If you want to start quoting scripture that's fine - I spent over 5 years reading nothing but the bible and attended a non-denominal bible college after that.
If it helps you can read more about me here... Jesus's Ministry
It seems trivial to argue the toss about if I was saved I knew Him by three years of age and had a face to face encounter at about 7 years old. My conversion was quite dramatic, as was my baptism in the spirit. Bottom line is I am a prodigal son and it sounds as if your theology does not allow for that.

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.

Carl Emerson said:

Yes I was born again at 13 and baptised shortly after.
The Fear of God within seals us against falling away to the extent of loosing salvation.

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Where do you get that idea? It’s no where in the Bible. The fear of the Lord is the hatred of sin. Has no level like “to the point of losing salvation” but until then it’s not pushing.

I had 11 years in the wilderness and knew I needed to return to faith.

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What exactly does that mean? You sinned?

He picked me up and gave me a second chance.
I was allowed to wander because He knew that my healing and testimony would ultimately impact lives for Him which it has.

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Living fully for him impacts many more people and living away from him impacts some to do wrong. Sorry but it sounds like you are trying to make something good out of your sin. It’s better to repent and thank him for restoring lost years. Living in sin does not glorify God.

The fear of God does not stop folks from sinning.

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The bible says it does. Shall I provide the scriptures? That is it’s main power.

we don't stop being sinners when we are saved.

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To the degree we have the fear of the Lord, we don’t sin. Depends upon the degree one has the fear of God.

It was a painful return with 7 years of prayer and ministry to fully heal the effects of taking drugs. That was 35 years ago.
Jesus deals with us the way He deals with us, we cant insist that he does so within the confines of our theological box.

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He works according to His chosen theological box. It’s called the ways of God.

If you want to start quoting scripture that's fine - I spent over 5 years reading nothing but the bible and attended a non-denominal bible college after that.
If it helps you can read more about me here... Jesus's Ministry
It seems trivial to argue the toss about if I was saved I knew Him by three years of age and had a face to face encounter at about 7 years old. My conversion was quite dramatic, as was my baptism in the spirit. Bottom line is I am a prodigal son and it sounds as if your theology does not allow for that.

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Of course there are prodigals. If they continue they are lost. Notice the Father didn’t go with the prodigal.

Notice the prodigal had spent a lot of his blessings while living in sin. Notice nothing good came out of his living in sin.

The son who had stayed had a continuous relationship with the Father not broken by a life of sin.

worshipjunkie said:

If I was saved but severely backslidden, I'm grateful for being brought out of it. If I wasn't saved at all, then I'm grateful for those whose prayers and actions contributed to my salvation.

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That’s great for you, but there are those who assume they’re going to heaven no matter how they live. They are deceived. That’s the point.

Neogaia777 said:

I just mean that He gives me ideas, thoughts, new concepts, one might call "revelations" or something, as for my every exact word being the exact words of God, I do not mean nor claim that, but, the concepts, the ideas, the philosophies, that come from or out of me, are from Him, is all...

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That’s exactly what we are required to judge, the concepts etc. So far falls short.

He has taught me much of His, is all I meant... and continues to do so, and/or/but or so, for that reason, I may not be completely error free (like Him) (yet) either at times...

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That’s your claim, and we are required to judge what you claim he showed you. Sorry but so far the description is suspect.

But my accuracy is pretty good now and only getting better day by day...

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This is another hint God is NOT the one talking to you. This is boasting and rooted in pride.

None of the prophets of God claimed they personally have “pretty good accuracy” on this.

Dorothy Mae said:

Where do you get that idea? It’s no where in the Bible.

If I showed you would you believe it given that you hate OSAS...

Try Jer 32:38 following...

They shall be My people, and I will be their God;
and I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear Me always, for their own good and for the good of their children after them.

“I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me.


The fear of the Lord is the hatred of sin.
Has no level like “to the point of losing salvation” but until then it’s not pushing. What exactly does that mean? You sinned?

Have you sinned since being saved??? If yes why didnt the fear of God prevent this as you claim.

If NO then scripture calls you a liar... Jn 1:10

Living fully for him impacts many more people and living away from him impacts some to do wrong. Sorry but it sounds like you are trying to make something good out of your sin. It’s better to repent and thank him for restoring lost years. Living in sin does not glorify God.

Agree... and He has restored the years.

The bible says it does. Shall I provide the scriptures? That is it’s main power.

To the degree we have the fear of the Lord, we don’t sin. Depends upon the degree one has the fear of God. He works according to His chosen theological box. It’s called the ways of God. Of course there are prodigals. If they continue they are lost. Notice the Father didn’t go with the prodigal.

This is Christianity 101 you are making judgements about my journey that you know little about...

Notice the prodigal had spent a lot of his blessings while living in sin. Notice nothing good came out of his living in sin.

Why do you feel the need to tell me this???

The son who had stayed had a continuous relationship with the Father not broken by a life of sin.

So did I as His son.

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Blessings,

Carl Emerson.