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Featured Who loses their Salvation, and for "what" do they lose it for...?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neogaia777, Apr 13, 2019.

  1. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

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    Who loses their Salvation, and for "what" do they lose it for...?

    Comments...?

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  2. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

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    Did they ever have it to begin with...?

    Is it possible to change them, or "renew them unto repentance" (again) or not...? Or is their course set and written in stone...? and we, "Shouldn't bother?" basically, or what...?

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  3. Danthemailman

    Danthemailman Well-Known Member

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    I'm still looking for a Bible verse that unequivocally says a really "saved" person really "lost their salvation," but am yet to find even one.
     
  4. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

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    Yes, and I agree... and I will also admit that my question is kind of "loaded" or is a loaded one also, geared toward those who say "you or one can lose their salvation" for such and such reasons, ect, ect...

    Just wait till they find out who really loses it, and for what reasons and basis, ect, ect... assuming they ever had it to begin with that is...

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  5. HTacianas

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    The answer is the person who commits mortal sin or apostacizes and does not avail himself of the sacrament of reconciliation.

    But reconciliation for mortal sin or apostasy is a tradition of the Church. It is not found in the bible.
     
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  6. Neogaia777

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    And "who" does or is doing that...? (either one)...

    And, "refusing to be reconciled to or with God", who is doing that...?

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  7. Carl Emerson

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    The short answer is no one can lose their salvation but disobedience can seperate you from the blessings of the Kingdom of God.

    Blessings,

    Carl Emerson.
     
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  8. HTacianas

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    If I understand your question, "who" is doing that is anyone committing a mortal sin or who apostacizes.
     
  9. HTacianas

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    Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,

    Heb 6:5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

    Heb 6:6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
     
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  10. Danthemailman

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    I've heard certain people in the NOSAS camp liken our security in Christ to someone walking down a road with two high walls on both sides of the road, then go on to say that the believer is secure, but is still free to choose to climb over the wall to the other side with the implication that only a small percentage of genuine born again Christians would end up losing their salvation.

    Yet I've also heard others in the NOSAS camp liken our security in Christ to someone walking on a tight rope in which suddenly we can slip off and perish and imply that the majority of born again Christians will end up losing their salvation. I even heard one NOSAS proponent claim that continuing in the faith, abiding in Christ is an extremely difficult burden that most Christians will surely fail to do and even implied that around 90% of born again Christians will end up losing their salvation. o_O

    The latter types seem to believe they are "holier than thou" and surely will not slip off that tight rope, but most others will. What bondage! Thank God I got off that roller coaster ride of fear and bondage to IN-security several years ago upon my conversion, after leaving the church that I was born and raised in that strongly supported NOSAS. :oldthumbsup:
     
  11. TuxAme

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    Why are we told to work out our salvation in fear and trembling if it's so certain? The reality is that we go through our lives as both saved and damned. We can consider ourselves "saved" when we are in a state of grace, and should consider ourselves damned when we commit a sin which "causes death" (mortal sin). We can only consider ourselves as either saved or damned until we do something which causes us to fall from that state, and we will know where we stand based on our conduct.
     
  12. SkyWriting

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    Legalists can loose Grace for the sake of following law.
    But they can be salvaged.
     
  13. Danthemailman

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    Notice that Paul said to "work out" your salvation and not "work for" your salvation in Philippians 2:12. When we "work out" at the gym, we exercise to develop our body that we already have and not to get a body. Farmers "work" the land, not in order to get the land, but to develop the land they already have.

    The Greek verb rendered "work out" means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification, which is the result of being set apart for God's work and involves the process of being conformed to the image of Christ. This conforming to Christ involves the work of the person, but it is still God working in the believer both to will and to do for His good pleasure. (verse 13)
     
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  14. TuxAme

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    Yes, I did take notice of that. Did anything I said lead you to believe I understood otherwise?
     
  15. Danthemailman

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    Wasn't sure where you stood, but just thought I would elaborate. :)
     
  16. worshipjunkie

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    I, to all appearances, was a Christian who lost my salvation. Only recently (12/7/18) did I come to/return to (depending on your outlook) to Christ.

    I can tell you that it was the prayers and actions of a couple of people who didn't give up on me, no matter what weird paths I was taking, no matter what was going on in my life, that brought me to where I am now. God used them to bring me to repentance, and I owe them everything for not giving up on me.

    So, yes, I believe change is possible. ETA: I don't, however, believe you can lose your salvation.
     
  17. ml5363

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    A truly saved person can not lose it
     
  18. Carl Emerson

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    Yep I am a prodigal son. Born again at 13, walked away for 11 years, technically should have lost my salvation, wonderfully restored due to prayer of others and God's great grace.

    Blessings,

    Carl Emerson.
     
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  19. Kenny'sID

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    What do they lose it for? That is one odd question, the type one doesn't just ask, but has to create in order to make a point, the type I'm always leery of. :)

    You had something in mind when you cooked that one up, care to tell is what that was?
     
  20. ml5363

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    I was saved at 14.. was out if fellowship for 15 years. Isn't he anazing when he welcome s us back with open arms? Thank God for his undying love for us!
     
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