How far into Revelation are we now?

TribulationSigns · Apr 4, 2019

oh Brother.

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Monk Brendan · Apr 4, 2019

Jonathan Mathews said:
Revelation is a book that is generally chronological. It includes events spanning from at least the time of John thru the end of time and is written chapter by chapter in order of time, other than a few sections. Therefore, we must currently be some point in the middle of the book. Knowing that there are 7 seals, and the 7th seal unleashes the 7 trumpets, and the 7th trumpet unleashes the 7 bowls of wrath, this is my question up for discussion:

Where are we chronologically in the book of Revelation? For example, which seals have been opened, or which chapters and verses do you believe we are up to in God's timeline? What has been fulfilled, and what is still to come?

I'll start with my personal believe that at least the 1st seal has been opened, but not the 7th. This comes from an open vision I had of the Army of white horses and riders I saw in the clouds moving from East to West. But what do you think?

I see Revelation as an allegory about the struggle of the Christian soul against the world, the flesh, and the devil..

This does not keep it from having other layers of meaning.

Unnamed Guy · Apr 4, 2019

Revelation 1:1 says "shortly come to pass." So none of those things happened before that was written.

Revelation 1:11 lists seven churches and they are all Jewish synagogues. John is told to write to the angels of the churches. Every synagogue had a mail clerk who was called "the messenger", which is what "angel" means. The Revelation is addressed to Jews and contains Jewish idioms. That is why goyim can't understand it.

Christians will be in heaven at the wedding supper of the lamb while those adventures are playing out down on Earth. Nothing in The Revelation applies to Christians.

pasifika · Apr 4, 2019

Jonathan Mathews said:
Revelation is a book that is generally chronological. It includes events spanning from at least the time of John thru the end of time and is written chapter by chapter in order of time, other than a few sections. Therefore, we must currently be some point in the middle of the book. Knowing that there are 7 seals, and the 7th seal unleashes the 7 trumpets, and the 7th trumpet unleashes the 7 bowls of wrath, this is my question up for discussion:

Where are we chronologically in the book of Revelation? For example, which seals have been opened, or which chapters and verses do you believe we are up to in God's timeline? What has been fulfilled, and what is still to come?

I'll start with my personal believe that at least the 1st seal has been opened, but not the 7th. This comes from an open vision I had of the Army of white horses and riders I saw in the clouds moving from East to West. But what do you think?

Hello, I think we're not reach Revelation yet.

vinsight4u · Apr 4, 2019

_Dave_ · Apr 4, 2019

Unnamed Guy said:
Revelation 1:1 says "shortly come to pass." So none of those things happened before that was written.

Revelation 1:11 lists seven churches and they are all Jewish synagogues. John is told to write to the angels of the churches. Every synagogue had a mail clerk who was called "the messenger", which is what "angel" means. The Revelation is addressed to Jews and contains Jewish idioms. That is why goyim can't understand it.

Christians will be in heaven at the wedding supper of the lamb while those adventures are playing out down on Earth. Nothing in The Revelation applies to Christians.

That's a new one on me. I have to admit I've never heard the seven churches in Rev 2 and 3 called Jewish synagogues for Jews and not churches for Christians. That pretty much changes everything about Christianity as we know it today.

Revealing Times · Apr 4, 2019

Unnamed Guy said:
Revelation 1:1 says "shortly come to pass." So none of those things happened before that was written.

Revelation 1:11 lists seven churches and they are all Jewish synagogues. John is told to write to the angels of the churches. Every synagogue had a mail clerk who was called "the messenger", which is what "angel" means. The Revelation is addressed to Jews and contains Jewish idioms. That is why goyim can't understand it.

Christians will be in heaven at the wedding supper of the lamb while those adventures are playing out down on Earth. Nothing in The Revelation applies to Christians.

The Word "SHORTLY" is a mistranslation. Behind that word is TWO NUMBERS which stand for TWO Greek words, EN {a set or fixed position in TIME}.....

#1722 ἐν en {en}

a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time
or state),
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

And the Greek word TACHOS {where we get the English word Tachometer from}

#5034 τάχος tachos {takh'-os}
1) quickness, speed

—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From the same as G5036; a brief space (of time), that is, (with G1722 prefixed) in haste:— + quickly, + shortly, + speedily.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

So in reality, it is not about something SHORTLY COMING TO PASS !! It is about the book of Revelation, these things will happen at a SET POINT IN TIME {at the Fathers choosing Jesus will return} and then Jesus will come IN HASTE....SPEEDILY...or QUICKLY.

Unnamed Guy said:
Christians will be in heaven at the wedding supper of the lamb while those adventures are playing out down on Earth. Nothing in The Revelation applies to Christians.

We will indeed be in Heaven my friend for the full 7 years. But there are still Christians who repent after the Rapture here on earth, they are the Martyrs shown in the 5th Seal. They are also shown in Rev. 12:17, the Jews {woman} are protected and thus the Dragon turns his wrath to the REMNANT [CHURCH] of HER {Israels} SEED {Jesus was the promised SEED} who keep Jesus' commandments and have his testimony.

Just_a_Christian · Apr 4, 2019

Revelation is a fascinating book and I definitely enjoy studying it. Having said that, I also say with absolute certainty that no one person or any group of people (here on Earth) interpret the entirety of the book correctly. In short the message to Christian's today is that there will be trials and tribulations untill the day when death is swallowed up in victory. In the end righteousness triumphs over evil. Will you spend eternity a smoker or nonsmoker?

Erik Nelson · Apr 4, 2019

vinsight4u said:
Revelation is in order as to chapters 16-22.

These chapters are from the little open book that John ate in chapter 10. He had more to tell - to prophesy - again.

HTacianas said:
Revelation 20 or so would be my guess.

offer Revelation 20:7-9 or so

pasifika · Apr 4, 2019

Revealing Times said:
The Word "SHORTLY" is a mistranslation. Behind that word is TWO NUMBERS which stand for TWO Greek words, EN {a set or fixed position in TIME}.....

#1722 ἐν en {en}

a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time
or state),
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

And the Greek word TACHOS {where we get the English word Tachometer from}

#5034 τάχος tachos {takh'-os}
1) quickness, speed

—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From the same as G5036; a brief space (of time), that is, (with G1722 prefixed) in haste:— + quickly, + shortly, + speedily.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

So in reality, it is not about something SHORTLY COMING TO PASS !! It is about the book of Revelation, these things will happen at a SET POINT IN TIME {at the Fathers choosing Jesus will return} and then Jesus will come IN HASTE....SPEEDILY...or QUICKLY.

We will indeed be in Heaven my friend for the full 7 years. But there are still Christians who repent after the Rapture here on earth, they are the Martyrs shown in the 5th Seal. They are also shown in Rev. 12:17, the Jews {woman} are protected and thus the Dragon turns his wrath to the REMNANT [CHURCH] of HER {Israels} SEED {Jesus was the promised SEED} who keep Jesus' commandments and have his testimony.

Hello, can you please clarify Rev 12:17 again where it said verse 17 " Then the dragon was enraged with the Woman and went off to wage war against the rest of Her offspring (seed)-those who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus"...so you mentioned that the woman in first part is (Jews) and the second one is "Israel"...I thought is one woman describe in the verse. I thought Jews is part of Israel...
My other point is how can be the church be the "remnant" while there was no gentile nations or group present when God make His covenant with the children of Israel on mount Sinai when the commandment was given?

Douggg · Apr 5, 2019

Jonathan Mathews said:
Revelation is a book that is generally chronological. It includes events spanning from at least the time of John thru the end of time and is written chapter by chapter in order of time, other than a few sections. Therefore, we must currently be some point in the middle of the book. Knowing that there are 7 seals, and the 7th seal unleashes the 7 trumpets, and the 7th trumpet unleashes the 7 bowls of wrath, this is my question up for discussion:

Where are we chronologically in the book of Revelation? For example, which seals have been opened, or which chapters and verses do you believe we are up to in God's timeline? What has been fulfilled, and what is still to come?

I'll start with my personal believe that at least the 1st seal has been opened, but not the 7th. This comes from an open vision I had of the Army of white horses and riders I saw in the clouds moving from East to West. But what do you think?

Hi Jonathan, Revelation 6 -19 are the events that take part during the 7 years.

The 7 years don't begin until after Gog/Magog and the 7 months. So nothing in Revelation 6-19 has begun yet.

The outline of the endtimes, which contain the 7 years of Revelation is found in Ezekiel 38-39.

Ezekiel 38-39:

1. Israel living in peace.

2. Then Gog/Magog

3. Then 7 months of burying the dead

4. Then the 7 years - which everything in Revelation 6-19 takes place.

5. Then Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20

6. Then Jesus Himself speaking Ezekiel 39:21-29 having returned to earth and recounting the past 2000 years of why the house of Israel was exiled into nations following rejecting Him as their King.

GingerBeer · Apr 5, 2019

Jonathan Mathews said:
Where are we chronologically in the book of Revelation?

Nowhere? It is possible that everything in the book is unrelated to history.

Jonathan Mathews said:
For example, which seals have been opened, or which chapters and verses do you believe we are up to in God's timeline? What has been fulfilled, and what is still to come?

All of them or none of them, maybe they all relate to something in the eternal state. It's a very difficult to interpret book if you try to make it fit history. Hundreds of people have tried, possibly many thousands and none has succeeded yet. If history teaches a lesson then one lesson it teaches is that making history fit Revelation doesn't work.

YHWH_will_uplift · Apr 5, 2019

Jonathan Mathews said:
Revelation is a book that is generally chronological. It includes events spanning from at least the time of John thru the end of time and is written chapter by chapter in order of time, other than a few sections. Therefore, we must currently be some point in the middle of the book. Knowing that there are 7 seals, and the 7th seal unleashes the 7 trumpets, and the 7th trumpet unleashes the 7 bowls of wrath, this is my question up for discussion:

Where are we chronologically in the book of Revelation? For example, which seals have been opened, or which chapters and verses do you believe we are up to in God's timeline? What has been fulfilled, and what is still to come?

I'll start with my personal believe that at least the 1st seal has been opened, but not the 7th. This comes from an open vision I had of the Army of white horses and riders I saw in the clouds moving from East to West. But what do you think?

Dear brother you are close to the truth but, to understand the book fully you must understand the meaning of the sevens. Revelation 10:5-7 declares that during the time of the 7th angel time will end and the mysteries of God will be finished (Compare with Daniel 9:20-27). And before the 7th angel comes with the opening of the 7th seal: the 6th seal will be opened during the time of the 6th angel; and this will be when the Euphrates river is dried up that the way of the kings of the East might be prepared (Revelation 9:14-21; 16:12); shortly after this Christ will appear and wage war against the beast and the false prophet and all that worshipped the beast and received his number; and they shall be defeated swiftly by Christ and thrown into the lake of fire; and after this Satan shall be bound 1,000 Years (Revelation 19:1-20:6). After the 7th seal is opened there will be a final battle between God and Satan: Satan will lose and be thrown into the lake of fire with his followers where the beast and the false prophet are (Revelation 20:7-10). Lastly there will be the Final Judgment where the dead who did not die in Christ will be judged and thrown into the lake of fire with death and hell to burn with Satan, the beast and the false prophet and those who followed the beast and received his number (Revelation 20:11-15); after this the new world will be created and the old one will be no more, and the ones who followed Christ and God will live in the new Jerusalem and eat of the Tree of Life to live forever and ever (Revelation 21:1-22:5 c.f. Isaiah 65:17-25). If you look at the Euphrates river today it is almost dried up and look at the armies gathered near it...they are the kings of the East! Compare this with the prophecy of Daniel with the great statue: Rome was the last great world empire with the legs of iron; after she lost much power she was divided into the western and eastern Roman Empire: western Rome is in Italy while eastern Rome is in Constantinople...that is to say Istanbul, Turkey....and just as prophecy states Rome never got along with its allies just as iron does not agree with clay! The 7's in Revelation are connected with the 7 Days of the Week in Genesis 1:1-2:3: and each day of the week represents a period of 1,000 Years each for God told Adam that he would die in the day he ate of the forbidden fruit (Genesis 2:15-17) and, since Adam died 70 years short of 1,000 years: 1 Week Day = 1,000 Years. This 1,000 Years and 70 Years are significant for from three time of Adam until now no man has lived for 1,000 Years: but those who ate Alice during the 2nd Coming of Christ will live for 1,000 Years! And 1,000 Years - 930 Years = 70 Years! These are also connected to the 70 Years prophesied by Jeremiah and, the 70 Weeks of Daniel! Therefore just a man has the first six days of the week to work (e.g. Sunday-Friday) and rests the seventh day of the week (e.g. Saturday): man will work 6,000 Years and rest in the 7,000th Year. Since the Euphrates river is almost dried up we are past the halfway point of the 5th seal or 5,000th Year: meaning we are in the 5,937th Year from Adam.

Revealing Times · Apr 5, 2019

pasifika said:
Hello, can you please clarify Rev 12:17 again where it said verse 17 " Then the dragon was enraged with the Woman and went off to wage war against the rest of Her offspring (seed)-those who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus"...so you mentioned that the woman in first part is (Jews) and the second one is "Israel"...I thought is one woman describe in the verse. I thought Jews is part of Israel...

Maybe we lost the translation via my verbiage. Let me post the Scripture then detail it.

Rev. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman{Israel}, and went to make war with the remnant{Church on Earth} of her seed {Jesus Christ}, which keep{WHO KEEPS? The Remnant Church} the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The Rapture happens, the Church is in Heaven, 1/3 of the Jews Repent and those are the ones that the Dragon can not get at, the Dragon kills the 2/3 of the Jews or either some might SERVE & WORSHIP him, but that is not who verse 17 says he goes after iis it ? It says he goes AFTER THE Remnant who keep the COMMANDMENTS of God and have the Testimony of Jesus. The 1/3 of the Jws who REPENTED also obey God and testify of Jesus now, BUT the Dragon can not get at them. So these HAVE TO BE THE Church, because the Jews who do not Repent {2/3} will not keep Gods commandments or have the testimony of Jesus Christ, yes they will perish, but THEY CAN'T be the Remnant !! Thus the REMNANT can not be ANY JEWS, the 1/3 or PROTECTED, the 2/3 do not obey God nor Worship Jesus, so WHO ARE THEY ?

They are Gentiles who REPENT after the Rapture, thus they keep the Commandments of God, they testify of Jesus Christ, and they are a REMNANT, because they are ON EARTH, while the vast majority of the Church is IN HEAVEN, Marryng the Lamb at this point in time.

pasifika said:
My other point is how can be the church be the "remnant" while there was no gentile nations or group present when God make His covenant with the children of Israel on mount Sinai when the commandment was given?

The Church can be a Remnant only if {WHEN} the Church is Raptured, then people repent on earth. Israel can not in NO WAY fit verse 17, here is why. If God protects ALL THE JEWS who Repent, then how can the Dragon get at the REMNANT who obey God and testify of Jesus ? It just doesn't jibe, this is the Remnant Church of Jesus Christ, her SEED.

Revealing Times · Apr 5, 2019

Just_a_Christian said:
Revelation is a fascinating book and I definitely enjoy studying it. Having said that, I also say with absolute certainty that no one person or any group of people (here on Earth) interpret the entirety of the book correctly. In short the message to Christian's today is that there will be trials and tribulations untill the day when death is swallowed up in victory. In the end righteousness triumphs over evil. Will you spend eternity a smoker or nonsmoker?

First you have to understand the TIMELINE, once you understand that you have a good shot at understanding the book of Revelation via researching the Old Testament, seeing that out of 404 verses 289 verses have Old Testament lingo/verbiage in them, thus its ONE GIANT CODE BOOK. Look up the codes and decipher it.

vinsight4u · Apr 5, 2019

Swan7 · Apr 5, 2019

Very interesting read, this thread. So many have different views of Revelation.

It's very important to read with God, especially with Revelation. Let Him reveal Himself to you (which is what Revelation is all about...) instead of going on one's own understanding.
I've also never heard in my life that Revelation is not for Christians, but only Jews. Why then would God preserve His Word this way? It's for both Jew and Gentile to read, PLUS we have the Holy Spirit to teach us things which we don't understand (which is a lot). Wisdom is from God, not how much studying one has done.

The seals have not been broken yet, because let's not forget that the very first seal is to reveal and unleash the anti-christ. Which has not happened yet. The first 4 seals are the horsemen. There is NO way we are in those times yet.
The rapture will NOT happen until the last trumpet sounds. Read what Paul says there twice that I recall in the Bible about this and also what Jesus showed in the vision of the last trumpet. Read that one very carefully and with an open heart to God to allow Him to give you wisdom.

It's very good to read Revelation and to the full because Jesus gives blessings to those who do! Who doesn't want that!?

Maria Billingsley · Apr 5, 2019

Jonathan Mathews said:
Revelation is a book that is generally chronological. It includes events spanning from at least the time of John thru the end of time and is written chapter by chapter in order of time, other than a few sections. Therefore, we must currently be some point in the middle of the book. Knowing that there are 7 seals, and the 7th seal unleashes the 7 trumpets, and the 7th trumpet unleashes the 7 bowls of wrath, this is my question up for discussion:

Where are we chronologically in the book of Revelation? For example, which seals have been opened, or which chapters and verses do you believe we are up to in God's timeline? What has been fulfilled, and what is still to come?

I'll start with my personal believe that at least the 1st seal has been opened, but not the 7th. This comes from an open vision I had of the Army of white horses and riders I saw in the clouds moving from East to West. But what do you think?

There are four views, maybe more ,of the book of revelation. One of those views sees this book as mostly fulfilled in the first century. If you have not already looked into this view you may want consider it so you get a fully rounded eschatological teaching on the subject of "end of days".
Personally I believe all the seals have been opened by Christ, Satan has been bound and Jesus Christ of Nazareth is King in the Kingdom of God.

Hawkins · Apr 5, 2019

Jonathan Mathews said:
Revelation is a book that is generally chronological.

It's not necessarily the case.
However it can still be traced for certain period of time which could possibly a turning point of history.

That said. I think that maybe we are now in,

Revelation 6:8 (NIV2011)
I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

The white horse is about how the "great white" conquered the world, with English as the world wide language and North America as world's education center.

The red horse is the infection of communism.

The black horse is the emergence of non-white powers such as China and India, or the middle east nations selling petroleum (oil). They are of economic powers instead of military powers.

Revelation 6:6 (NIV2011)
Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”

The pale horse is possibly the power of secularism and atheism. Nations have delivered their power to the hands of secular or atheistic governments.

Then the next stage could be the persecution of Christianity in a form.

Calvin_1985 · Apr 5, 2019

Jonathan Mathews said:
Revelation is a book that is generally chronological. It includes events spanning from at least the time of John thru the end of time and is written chapter by chapter in order of time, other than a few sections. Therefore, we must currently be some point in the middle of the book. Knowing that there are 7 seals, and the 7th seal unleashes the 7 trumpets, and the 7th trumpet unleashes the 7 bowls of wrath, this is my question up for discussion:

Where are we chronologically in the book of Revelation? For example, which seals have been opened, or which chapters and verses do you believe we are up to in God's timeline? What has been fulfilled, and what is still to come?

I'll start with my personal believe that at least the 1st seal has been opened, but not the 7th. This comes from an open vision I had of the Army of white horses and riders I saw in the clouds moving from East to West. But what do you think?

If you want to know the answer, then set all of this aside and eat of the Flesh of Jesus and he will the truth of Revelation to you.

How far into Revelation are we now?

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