Most Americans will not support the Socialist platform in 2020

bhsmte said:

Some republicans, are simply for allowing corporations to be able to intervene and run the show.

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As though the Democratic Party is not in the pocket of all sorts of "millionaires and billionaires."

DSA has withdrawn from the Socialist International in 2017, largely because some of its members were abandoning true democratic socialism. The DSA was a member until 2017. There is nothing in the DSA that distinguishes it as not following the beliefs of the SI. DSA is growing by leaps and bounds in the US. We call them what they wish, but their roots are in the Socialist Party Of America and they were part of SI until 2017.

Democratic Socialists of America - Wikipedia

About Us - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

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A relevant question is whether candidates favor the principles of DSA. Many of their platforms seem to be very close to what is on the DSA website.
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For example, DSA opposes any intervention in Venezuela and supports the revolution of Hugo Chavez

"instead, we have a responsibility to use the leverage we have to intervene strategically in US foreign policy to help the Venezuelan people defend the gains made during Hugo Chávez’s presidency."

The full statement
Statements Archive - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)
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Their website also has their anti-Israel position, as opined on the House floor recently.
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LET'S BE CLEAR
Candidates are free to associate themselves with "democratic socialism" (and the DSA), but this movement has its roots in the Socialist Party USA, and has been associated with t=international socialism since its inception.

The Democratic can choose to have this debate. Some believe that this platform and approach will defeat Trump.

I STRONGLY DISAGREE

The left of the Democratic is going off the rails politically. Some are now backing reparations for blacks in the US. This is too much even for Bernie.

I AM NOT SAYING that this platform is terrible. However, I do strongly disagree with many part of it, especially with regard to foreign policy and the degree to which we should promote/regulate capitalism in the US.

But that isn't the issue. The issue is whether the Democrats want to self-identify as Democratic-Socialists or whether they will oppose that label (and possibly win).

hislegacy said:

No, there is no such thing as socialism. The politicians just call themselves socialist, they support the socialist party, but they really are not socialist.

You can find them listed in the Democrat Socialist of America wiki site -

The DSA is not only by far the largest socialist organization in the United States in the 21st century, it is also the largest socialist organization in the United States in over a century.[5][6] By the end of 2017, membership in the organization had risen to 32,000, primarily because of the influx of youth in reaction to the presidency of Donald Trump. As of September 2, 2018, membership stood at 50,000[7] and the number of local chapters had increased from 40 to 181.[8] As of December 2017, the median age of its membership was 33, compared to 68 in 2013.[9] In the 2017 election, fifteen candidates who were members of the DSA were elected to office in thirteen states, most notably Lee Carter in the Virginia House of Delegates, adding to the twenty members already holding elected office nationwide.[10] In November 2018, two DSA members, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib, were elected to the House of Representatives while eleven were elected to state legislatures.[11]

A member of the Socialist International (SI) from its founding in 1982, the DSA voted to leave the SI in August 2017 over its acceptance of what the DSA perceived as neoliberal economic policies.[12]
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But no, there are no socialist

Bernie Sanders calls himself a Democratic Socialist for the last 30 years, but there are no socialist.

Go figure,

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grasping the after wind said:

My guess is that of that 77% there is a large component that just don't have a real grasp of political ideology or history.

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The political scientist and historian in me doubts that.

The Dems have gone the way of Democratic Progressive rather than Socialist.

BTW, Socialism is defined as:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism;More

• policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
  synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism;More
  
  
• (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

Democratic Socialism is not in the business of destroying Capitalism, its in the business of helping society in general. and the two can coexist, unlike Marxism.

The economy should be structured in a way that benefits the people (all people).

You are basically using textbook definition of "socialism" and somehow think that Democrats don't want to use that word.

There is a democratic socialism organization in the US. Many Democrats identify with its goals and with its label of democratic socialism.

2tim_215 said:

The Dems have gone the way of Democratic Progressive rather than Socialist.

BTW, Socialism is defined as:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism;More

• policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
  synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism;More
  
  
• (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

Democratic Socialism is not in the business of destroying Capitalism, its in the business of helping society in general. and the two can coexist, unlike Marxism.

The economy should be structured in a way that benefits the people (all people).

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Albion said:

As though the Democratic Party is not in the pocket of all sorts of "millionaires and billionaires."

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Both parties have the support of many millionaires and billionaires.

The traditional difference is the Republicans often were very proud of the notion that they were good for "business" and supported by business. Some Democrats are delusional enough to believe that being anti-business will get them votes.

Albion said:

Socialism is an economic system that, by definition, is run by a government.

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Yes, and there is nothing inherent in socialism that would prevent that being a democratically run government.

Sparagmos said:

Yes, and there is nothing inherent in socialism that would prevent that being a democratically run government.

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I'm just going to check, before I say what I'm thinking of saying.

Are you telling me you think "Democratic Socialism" can work? If so, please look at China, where voting in a manner the Elites at the top of China's almost-socialist government can get you arrested.

Albion said:

Sure, but that is not Socialism...and it is not what is being promoted these days by some of members of Congress and, unfortunately, by some ordinary people who are charged up by the idea of some perfect world being only a few easy legislative steps away.

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Yes it is. You can capitalize the S to make it seem like there is only Marxist economic/polical Socialism, but that doesn't change the fact that there are varieties of socialism and its manifestation.

SilverStarApple said:

I'm just going to check, before I say what I'm thinking of saying.

Are you telling me you think "Democratic Socialism" can work? If so, please look at China, where voting in a manner the Elites at the top of China's almost-socialist government can get you arrested.

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why do folks want to bring up china or cuba or venezuala? Use Denmark or Sweden or Iceland or Finland

grasping the after wind said:

Actually socialism has a definite meaning i.e. control of the means of production by the state.

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No. Marxist socialism is not the only manifestation.

Market socialism - Wikipedia

Albion said:

Socialism is an economic system that, by definition, is run by a government.

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Continuing to repeat a falsehood won't make it true.
Market socialism - Wikipedia

mark46 said:

why do folks want to bring up china or cuba or venezuala? Use Denmark or Sweden or Iceland or Finland

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The boogie man has to be scary for the fear tactics to work.

Mountainmanbob said:

2020 poll: 77 percent of Democrats back socialism, but most voters don’t

Although the margin seems to be closer every day?
M-Bob

While 77 percent of Democrats believe that the country would be “better off” if it were more socialist, overall a majority of voters don’t, by a margin of 51 percent to 45 percent, according to the latest Public Opinion Strategies survey.

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I think the biggest problem is that Trump has pushed so much ignorance about what socialism is.

It's a hoot & a half to see folks who are benefitting from socialism decry it.

SilverStarApple said:

I'm just going to check, before I say what I'm thinking of saying.

Are you telling me you think "Democratic Socialism" can work? If so, please look at China, where voting in a manner the Elites at the top of China's almost-socialist government can get you arrested.

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China is still run by the Communist Party.

Also note that Trump's $12 billion program to subsidise farmers is a socialist policy.

SilverStarApple said:

I'm just going to check, before I say what I'm thinking of saying.

Are you telling me you think "Democratic Socialism" can work? If so, please look at China, where voting in a manner the Elites at the top of China's almost-socialist government can get you arrested.

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What about socialism translates into people getting arrested for the way they vote?

I think that there is a pretty wide spectrum of stuff that people call socialism. To answer your question, overall, I am favorable of socialist ideals. I also favor breaking the U.S. up into smaller states. Any system as large as ours will attract people who seek power and control. I’d much prefer that power be in the hands of elected officials than corporations and oligarchs who we can’t hold accountable.

Albion said:

As though the Democratic Party is not in the pocket of all sorts of "millionaires and billionaires."

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Some dems are, they just try to keep it quiet.

This is one of the reasons, the obama justice department, let many in the financial field, not be prosecuted after the 2008 financial crash.

GoldenBoy89 said:

You'd think with so many successes, they'd point to their wins to rile up the base instead of resorting to spreading fears of the coming Red Menace to get out the vote.

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Mountainmanbob said:

Say what.
Many Democrats claim it everyday.

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Name 10 of them.