Jussie Smollett Attack is a Hoax

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Feb 19, 2019

SummerMadness said:
You stopped right where the post explains how your logic falls apart. You said there was a spike in reports, but there was also a spike in hate crimes with an increasing number of incidents each year. The spike requires the context of how many crimes are reported in the first place. 5 out of 100 to 50 out of 1000 is an unremarkable change because the rate is the same. If it were 5 out of 100 to 50 out of 100, that would be alarming because the rate jumps from 5% to 50%.

Raw numbers are meaningless (hence the reason why the FBI reports things in values per 100,000).

The graph is meaningless without the other information, so you can't make any declarations about whether the change or quantity is meaningful.

What part of "reports of false hate crimes nearly tripled after Trump's election" is "false logic? It is an objective statement from the graph. The context of actual number of hate crimes has nothing to do with the objective statement.

essentialsaltes · Feb 19, 2019

jason_delisle said:
What part of "reports of false hate crimes nearly tripled after Trump's election" is "false logic? It is an objective statement from the graph. The context of actual number of hate crimes has nothing to do with the objective statement.

Oh, sure it's factual, but it may not support any argument you are attempting to make. If it tripled from <1% of all hate crime reports to <1% of all hate crime reports, I don't think we're facing a national emergency here.

essentialsaltes · Feb 19, 2019

Not much new news yet. Smollett has lawyered up and has no plans to meet with police.

Anne Kavanagh, a spokeswoman for Smollett’s lawyers, said in an email to The Associated Press that his lawyers “will keep an active dialogue with Chicago police on his behalf.”

SummerMadness · Feb 19, 2019

jason_delisle said:
What part of "reports of false hate crimes nearly tripled after Trump's election" is "false logic? It is an objective statement from the graph. The context of actual number of hate crimes has nothing to do with the objective statement.

First of all, this is a distortion. You had a spike and then it decreased. What you're leaving out is that spike also coincides with a jump in the number of hate crimes; however, what you're ignoring is the number of hate crimes has trended upward in subsequent years while the "nearly triple" number you're arguing misses the downward trend. Rates matter.

Steve Petersen · Feb 19, 2019

A statistic that goes from 1 occurrence to 2 occurrences would be a doubling and still not be significant.

This is how the media trolls us with headlines. "XYZ has DOUBLED since (<insert correlation here!)"

bhsmte · Feb 19, 2019

If indeed this was a manufactured hoax, this dude has some real deeply embedded personal issues, to go to these lengths and perpetrate this type of lie.

If they have the goods, he should be prosecuted if laws were broken.

Steve Petersen · Feb 19, 2019

Everyone is feeding the meme on both sides of the political spectrum.

Aldebaran · Feb 19, 2019

USincognito said:
Parroting the "hate Trump" mantra and torturing your logic to death trying to tie "hatred of Trump" into the situation doesn't make this a hate crime.

Jussie himself is the one who tried to tie hatred of Trump into the situation by claiming that it was Trump supporters ("This is MAGA country!") who attacked him.

Aldebaran · Feb 19, 2019

USincognito said:
That appears to be the spin, but that's not what a hate crime is so it's inapplicable.

It was a stunt to fan the flames of hatred against people who are straight, white, and support the president, and of course get himself some attention by claiming to be a victim. It's amazing that there are people here who will try to justify it.

Aldebaran · Feb 19, 2019

Hank77 said:
I think it's rather strange myself but for the life of me I can't think of a more appropriate description.
What would you call it when someone harms a stranger simply because they hate them for the color of their skin, how they live their life, their gender, their religion, their culture, etc.

Then how is it not a hate crime when conservatives are attacked by the Left for their beliefs, how we live our lives, or our culture? Why is it not considered racist when black people call white people crackers? Why is it not hateful when people are targeted based on who they vote for or who they politically support?

USincognito · Feb 19, 2019

Aldebaran said:
It was a stunt to fan the flames of hatred against people who are straight, white, and support the president, and of course get himself some attention by claiming to be a victim. It's amazing that there are people here who will try to justify it.

Yeah, no. Whether that histrionic hyperbole is accurate or not, it's still not a hate crime.

And don't lie about me.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Feb 19, 2019

rambot · Feb 19, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Then how is it not a hate crime when conservatives are attacked by the Left for their beliefs, how we live our lives, or our culture? Why is it not considered racist when black people call white people crackers? Why is it not hateful when people are targeted based on who they vote for or who they politically support?

1) What's interesting to me is that the left becomes violent and extreme when they get together and have their protests, that is when the left wing tends to become more unhinged. In the day to day living of lives though, there is quantifiably more incidents of right wing violence than the opposite. 2) I consider it racist when black people call white people crackers. Some people believe that "racism" has a POWER component to its definition that, in the West, means it would be "harder" to prove a racist black person. I personally, don't game for that aspect of the definition. Having lived abroad as a minority, racism is racism, regardless of where the power lies. 3) You could argue that it IS hateful when people are targetted for who they support. But it's not a hate crime. THAT is a choice.
Dude didn't choose to be gay, black, whatever. When you choose something, you get to experience all the wonderous benefits of making that choice; sometimes called consequences.
If you don't get to make a choice and someone hates you for it, it doesn't make sense.

To be clear, I don't hate Trump supporters; regardless of their skin colour. I have negative thoughts about them for sure, but not hate. More stuff like lack of respect, suspicion of their lack of insight, fatigue.

Kaon · Feb 19, 2019

rambot said:
1) What's interesting to me is that the left becomes violent and extreme when they get together and have their protests, that is when the left wing tends to become more unhinged. In the day to day living of lives though, there is quantifiably more incidents of right wing violence than the opposite. 2) I consider it racist when black people call white people crackers. Some people believe that "racism" has a POWER component to its definition that, in the West, means it would be "harder" to prove a racist black person. I personally, don't game for that aspect of the definition. Having lived abroad as a minority, racism is racism, regardless of where the power lies. 3) You could argue that it IS hateful when people are targetted for who they support. But it's not a hate crime. THAT is a choice.
Dude didn't choose to be gay, black, whatever. When you choose something, you get to experience all the wonderous benefits of making that choice; sometimes called consequences.
If you don't get to make a choice and someone hates you for it, it doesn't make sense.

To be clear, I don't hate Trump supporters; regardless of their skin colour. I have negative thoughts about them for sure, but not hate. More stuff like lack of respect, suspicion of their lack of insight, fatigue.

Your abroad living is part of the POWER you lacked which likely allowed you to experience real racism.

But, you have prejudice, bigotry and ignorance - three different words with three specific contexts - that accurately describe much of the behavior 99% of the people attribute to racism.

If a white person in America with no discernible power calls a black person a n***er, then that person is bigot and prejudiced. It is up to the person to take victimization further, but it stops at bigotry and prejudice. Laugh at them, and walk away.

Saying, "All [ethnic groups] do [insert stereotype here]" is ignorance, because the person chooses to ignore the ethnic group is not monolithic, and that the stereotype is a poor representation of the truth.

Harming or killing someone because they are of a certain ethnic group is racism, because you have use [marginal] power to physically harm, or take the life of another person. This is why legislation has a differentiation between general crimes and intent (i.e. hate crimes).

If you are a white make that lives in Japan, you may experience prejudice, bigotry or ignorance. And, you may also experience racism if you have been subjugated due to a prejudice against your ethnicity.

When people say name-calling is racist, it marginalizes real racism.

People who are screaming hate crime because people dislike, or even hate them are fishing - especially considering the context, historical ignorance of such a behavior, and how it relates to the body in question. Some of those people know exactly what they are doing - and it is clear from their syntax, diction and context where their minds actually align.

Ana the Ist · Feb 19, 2019

Kaon said:
Your abroad living is part of the POWER you lacked which likely allowed you to experience real racism.

But, you have prejudice, bigotry and ignorance - three different words with three specific contexts - that accurately describe much of the behavior 99% of the people attribute to racism.

If a white person in America with no discernible power calls a black person a n***er, then that person is bigot and prejudiced. It is up to the person to take victimization further, but it stops at bigotry and prejudice. Laugh at them, and walk away.

Saying, "All [ethnic groups] do [insert stereotype here]" is ignorance, because the person chooses to ignore the ethnic group is not monolithic, and that the stereotype is a poor representation of the truth.

Harming or killing someone because they are of a certain ethnic group is racism, because you have use [marginal] power to physically harm, or take the life of another person. This is why legislation has a differentiation between general crimes and intent (i.e. hate crimes).

If you are a white make that lives in Japan, you may experience prejudice, bigotry or ignorance. And, you may also experience racism if you have been subjugated due to a prejudice against your ethnicity.

When people say name-calling is racist, it marginalizes real racism.

People who are screaming hate crime because people dislike, or even hate them are fishing - especially considering the context, historical ignorance of such a behavior, and how it relates to the body in question. Some of those people know exactly what they are doing - and it is clear from their syntax, diction and context where their minds actually align.

No offense...but why should anyone use your particular definitions of words over the ones everyone else uses?

Hank77 · Feb 19, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Why is it not considered racist when black people call white people crackers?

Personally I consider it racist but not a crime.

Aldebaran said:
Then how is it not a hate crime when conservatives are attacked by the Left for their beliefs, how we live our lives, or our culture? Why is it not considered racist when black people call white people crackers? Why is it not hateful when people are targeted based on who they vote for or who they politically support?

Because they aren't hating them for who they are. When I say culture I'm talking about things like religion, language, things that are a part of our identity as a person. So to hate someone to the degree that we would physically harm a person, to me, is a hate crime.

The law has to be more defined, not opinion.
FBI's definition...
A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.

If someone beats me up because they don't like my politics that's certainly a crime but very different than say beating me up because they don't like my gender or my ethnicity.

SoldierOfTheKing · Feb 19, 2019

From my Facebook feed:

"America is so great, a black millionaire had to pay Nigerians to make him a victim of a hate crime."

What we have is a privileged millionaire actor trying to present himself as oppressed. However, he couldn't find anybody who wanted to pick on him, so he had to hire someone.

It seems that the quantity of demand for hate crimes in the United States exceeds the quantity supplied. Economists call that a shortage.

Kaon · Feb 19, 2019

SoldierOfTheKing said:
From my Facebook feed:

"America is so great, a black millionaire had to pay Nigerians to make him a victim of a hate crime."

What we have is a privileged millionaire actor trying to present himself as oppressed. However, he couldn't find anybody who wanted to pick on him, so he had to hire someone.

It seems that the quantity of demand for hate crimes in the United States exceeds the quantity supplied. Economists call that a shortage.

There is no shortage of hate in America, people just have short, selective memories as well as the luxury to ignore what others have to live. For example, blacks are still at the bottom - important only when there is a social or political need for them. And, most all hyphenated Americans need a wealth of evidence before "real" Americans ever believe them.

If Jussie Smollete is lying, it only feeds the psychosocial degeneracy that minorities are privileged - despite the overwhelmingly contradictory evidence. Psychological warfare makes it so that few will be able to call Jussie a criminal if he is lying - without attaching duality to the conclusion (e.g. the dems... The left... The right... The conservatives...etc.)

You are being had, willingly indulging in enmity with your own people while those in control distract your brain from what is really going on. The same divisive sociology is being used as the past.

SoldierOfTheKing · Feb 19, 2019

Kaon said:
If Jussie Smollete is lying, it only feeds the psychosocial degeneracy that minorities are privileged - despite the overwhelmingly contradictory evidence.

Smollett is certainly privileged - that is indisputable.

Kaon said:
You are being had, willingly indulging in enmity with your own people while those in control distract your brain from what is really going on.

Who do you think "my people" are?

Kaon · Feb 19, 2019

SoldierOfTheKing said:
Smollett is certainly privileged - that is indisputable.

Jussie is privileged because he is a celebrity, not because he is black, or gay.

Who do you think "my people" are?

Americans.

You are feeding into a psychological program specifically engineered to create enmity between citizens of the same nation. A large part of it is the ignorance of history, but nationalist ideology that is necessarily exclusive is the fruit of foreign (or domestic) destabilization. As I said, if you feed into those left/right, liberal/conservative dualities, you are being had.

You should be paying attention to the legislation passed in your country, as well as trying to figure a way to come together as one people of a nation - instead of participating in the manufactured disorder. If every citizen was treated like a real countryman, then there would be no division, and no reason to feign ignorance about the "plight" of the hyphenated countrymen.

Instead, we have the predictable reaction from the public - based on pain, ignorance, invalidation, a veil of privilege, and an unwillingness to recognize the past. Believe it or not, holding on to prejudices against fellow countrymen, and continuing in ignorance - even ignoring painful history - makes a nation weak.

A house divided will surely fall, and America had decades to coalesce the division.

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