Jussie Smollett Attack is a Hoax

[Kenny'sID]

FBI tallied 6,121 hate crimes in 2016, so 54 is <1%.

How may did they tally in 1964 when they weren't counting hate crimes because they were likely just figured as a fact of life? You know, the point of the post you reply to.

 

[Aldebaran]

Jussie Smollett made false statements. As someone that doesn't care about Trump or his supporters. Or probably most people. I'm left leaning and I glad this hate crime didn't happen. Or I hope it didn't. Famous people usually have body guards. I'm assuming this guy was famous. But his credibility is shot and probably his career too. But Trump has encouraged hate and violence . So I'm not getting how Trump has any Christians supporters at all. I really don't even get your Trump hate comment. What I think is most liberals are confused , that Conservatives can bash Obama, wife and children over and over. And vote for Trump, Who's 100 percent plus more slimy and hateful than Obama.

It's weird how people who hate Trump will always find some way of blaming him for everything. Here we have this Jussie Smollett guy lying his rear end off, using the fact that he's black and homosexual to get sympathy from the public by lying that he's the victim of some kind of "hate crime" supposedly committed by a couple of people who identified themselves as Trump supporters, and here you are trying to blame Trump for it, even though Smollett is being exposed as a liar.

Do us all a favor and examine your own thinking before criticizing conservatives for saying anything against Obama, especially if you're going to bring his skin color into it as well to try justifying Smollett's actions because he is also black.

 

[Aldebaran]

No, it isn't. And that sort of hyperbolic nonsense isn't helping.

Falsely accusing people of a crime, and using victim status of being black and gay to attempt to amplify it to a "hate crime", and attempting to tie the president to it to get sympathy from society by playing on the Left's hatred of Trump is indeed a crime against society.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Hate crimes have been increasing yearly, so what's the rate? You claim they tripled, how many hate crimes are reported each year? As I said, a list of incidents does not tell you much. You're arguing there are more false reports, but there are also more hate crimes occurring, so that logically means more false reports.

EDIT: Did you even look at the data on the website you posted? There is a spike in 2016, but subsequent years decreased. Meanwhile, the number of hate crimes spiked in 2016 and have been increasing every year, meaning the rate of hoaxes is lower with each year.

Did you look at the data? Look at all the previous years prior to Trump.

 

[essentialsaltes]

How may did they tally in 1964 when they weren't counting hate crimes because they were likely just figured as a fact of life? You know, the point of the post you reply to.

I'm sorry, your question was "And that goes both ways. What are the relative numbers of real Hate crimes?"

 

[SummerMadness]

How may did they tally in 1964 when they weren't counting hate crimes because they were likely just figured as a fact of life? You know, the point of the post you reply to.

That would suggest the numbers are underreported, which would mean the rate of false accusations is even lower, that doesn't help the argument being levied of a large number of false reports.

 

[USincognito]

Falsely accusing people of a crime, and using victim status of being black and gay to attempt to amplify it to a "hate crime", and attempting to tie the president to it to get sympathy from society by playing on the Left's hatred of Trump is indeed a crime against society.

Parroting the "hate Trump" mantra and torturing your logic to death trying to tie "hatred of Trump" into the situation doesn't make this a hate crime.

 

[SummerMadness]

Did you look at the data? Look at all the previous years prior to Trump.

You still have not quantified anything. Saying there is a large number requires context. The number of hate crimes prior to the current president were lower, which would mean the number of false reports is lower. However, what matters is the rate of false reports; given a higher number of hate crimes, this would mean there is a higher number of false reports. Plainly, if there are 100 in Year 1 with 5 false reports and 1000 in Year 2 with 50 false reports, then there is nothing remarkable about that as the false report rate is the same. It doesn't matter that there are 45 more in Year 2, rather what matters is the number of hate crimes has jumped between years.

Given the spike in 2016 followed by lower numbers in years after while the number of hate crimes has been increasing, that demonstrates the rate of false reports is lower. Nonetheless, you have not provided any info, instead ignoring the number of hate crimes overall because it will hurt what is a plainly a false/inaccurate argument.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I'm left leaning and I glad this hate crime didn't happen. Or I hope it didn't.

I think you brought up a good point. Perhaps we should not ignore the silver lining of the issue that it would be good news to hear that this hate crime may not have actually happened.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Parroting the "hate Trump" mantra and torturing your logic to death trying to tie "hatred of Trump" into the situation doesn't make this a hate crime.

I believe the reason why it was described as a "hate crime" was because the intent of the stunt was to stoke the fires of hatred by the left towards the President and his supporters.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You still have not quantified anything. Saying there is a large number requires context.

I had to stop right there. I never said there is a large number. Only showed how the number of false reports has greatly increased after Trump was elected. In fact, the graph shows a spike in fake reports immediately after the Nov 16th post election meltdown.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

That would suggest the numbers are underreported, which would mean the rate of false accusations is even lower, that doesn't help the argument being levied of a large number of false reports.

I think that it is important to note that the graph only consists of data in which the false hate crimes were reported by the media. Not reported to law enforcement. Because of this, we can only assume that the actual number of false reports are greater than the ones depicted on the graph. By how much, I really don't know.

 

[USincognito]

I believe the reason why it was described as a "hate crime" was because the intent of the stunt was to stoke the fires of hatred by the left towards the President and his supporters.

That appears to be the spin, but that's not what a hate crime is so it's inapplicable.

 

[USincognito]

FBI tallied 6,121 hate crimes in 2016, so 54 is <1%.

FBI tallied 6,121 hate crimes in 2016, so 54 is <1%.

Strange. I can't believe no one has substantively addressed this statistic.

 

[straykat]

It's sad that this man apparently had to do this. I believed him, so this actually surprises me. "Hoaxes" are only going to do damage to truths out there that resemble his situation and eventually fatigue and shut people's hearts to real cases. We were all taught this lesson as kids with the "Boy Who Cried Wolf".

 

[SummerMadness]

I had to stop right there. I never said there is a large number. Only showed how the number of false reports has greatly increased after Trump was elected. In fact, the graph shows a spike in fake reports immediately after the Nov 16th post election meltdown.

You stopped right where the post explains how your logic falls apart. You said there was a spike in reports, but there was also a spike in hate crimes with an increasing number of incidents each year. The spike requires the context of how many crimes are reported in the first place. 5 out of 100 to 50 out of 1000 is an unremarkable change because the rate is the same. If it were 5 out of 100 to 50 out of 100, that would be alarming because the rate jumps from 5% to 50%.

Raw numbers are meaningless (hence the reason why the FBI reports things in values per 100,000).

I think that it is important to note that the graph only consists of data in which the false hate crimes were reported by the media. Not reported to law enforcement. Because of this, we can only assume that the actual number of false reports are greater than the ones depicted on the graph. By how much, I really don't know.

The graph is meaningless without the other information, so you can't make any declarations about whether the change or quantity is meaningful.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Why would you 'want' to believe it?

I mean, procedurally, the police have to take the claim seriously and investigate. They've done so, and although I haven't seen something definitive directly from a police source, it's definitely looking like the claim was false.



I demand that, if the evidence supports it, the police charge Smollett with filing a false police report.

I have plenty of reasons already to dislike Trump. I don't need any more.

Perhaps you could give us some of those reasons. I am actually curious as to whether your dislike of Trump stems from his policies, his personality or his moral character. I know there are many people with a very deep dislike of a man they don't have any personal contact with and I would like to understand what factors motivate that do sort of visceral feelin about someone they only hear about second hand or through the person's media imagery.

 

[Hank77]

Not just friends, but evidently campaigned with her:


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Assuming that he is in this picture says what? Because someone showed up at a campaign makes them their friend? Maybe I understand 'friend' differently than you do and misunderstood that you were implying that Harris was in on it?

 

[Kenny'sID]

I'm sorry, your question was "And that goes both ways. What are the relative numbers of real Hate crimes?"

No need to be sorry, we all make mistakes, and if you consider that tally to be on the level, and all those are real hate crimes, I suppose to you, it is no mistake.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

The term “hate crime” is so stupid.