yeshuaslavejeff
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THis is truth for all the world, the entire population, of everyone who is (or will be) following men's opinions (traditions) opposed to God.
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The Holy Bible Teaches Globe Earth.
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I never told anyone to listen to me. I've said all along to do your own research in flat earth as I have. After numerous FE threads, it's quite obvious no one is listening anyway, it's just constant sniping, complaining, and insulting.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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"Ephesians 4:17-32 New International Version (NIV)
"Instructions for Christian Living
"17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. 19 Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed."
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Quotes From Leonard Ravenhill
"I doubt if 5% of professing Christians in America are born again--and that's true of England!"
"If Jesus had preached the same message that ministers preach today, He would never have been crucified."
"The only vision (many) of you have is television."
"America is not dying because of the strength of humanism; it's dying because of the weakness of evangelism! We take people to the cross, (but) we don't put them on the cross."
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If anyone ever leads on like they were openly listening to anything I had to say in all those FE threads, I will indeed retract what I stated.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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No need to retract that part.
You claimed I was making an assumption, then posted the same thing I posted.(and apparently forgot, in such a short short time. tch tch.... )
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Ok. I don't see them as the same, but I'm fine with whatever works for you.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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If they are not listening (good for them), then it is not going to change their mind, except to ignore your posts, which they already do, you say.
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So ... your scriptural citation is of Paul referring to unbelieving Gentiles ...
... and I don't know who Leonard Ravenhill is ...
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yeshuaslavejeff
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One argument that was used to persuade Bullinger to accept flat earth theory was this one :
"On May 11, 1904 Lady Anne Blount hired a commercial photographer to use a telephoto lens camera to take a picture from Welney of a large white sheet she had placed, touching the surface of the river, at
Rowbotham's original position six miles away. The photographer, Edgar Clifton from Dallmeyer'sstudio, mounted his camera two feet above the water at Welney and was surprised to be able to obtain a
picture of the target, which should have been invisible to him if Earth where spherical."
This argument is untrue. Was dis-proven since then many times. The distance needed is greater "than six miles away"
and was never accomplished in any way that showed the earth is flat.
The curvature of the earth is so flat as greater distances, because the earth is so huge, the object is still visible at over six miles on a global earth.
"On May 11, 1904 Lady Anne Blount hired a commercial photographer to use a telephoto lens camera to take a picture from Welney of a large white sheet she had placed, touching the surface of the river, at
Rowbotham's original position six miles away. The photographer, Edgar Clifton from Dallmeyer'sstudio, mounted his camera two feet above the water at Welney and was surprised to be able to obtain a
picture of the target, which should have been invisible to him if Earth where spherical."
This argument is untrue. Was dis-proven since then many times. The distance needed is greater "than six miles away"
and was never accomplished in any way that showed the earth is flat.
The curvature of the earth is so flat as greater distances, because the earth is so huge, the object is still visible at over six miles on a global earth.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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He wrote as Yahweh Inspired and Breathed Yahweh's Word to the Ekklesia, not to the unbelieving gentiles, as noted below.
Ephesians 4:17-32 New International Version (NIV)
Instructions for Christian Living
17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you
must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. 19 Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed.
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I said openly listening. Obviously, I can recognizance the closed-minded listening as well as I'm able to distinguish between the two.
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The scriptures state that a man is a fool who doesn't consider both sides of an argument. I would just like people to stop acting like fools on this topic as well. So, no, it's not 'good for them'.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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No.
The Scripture does not say that, especially in cases like this, from your posts you should not be listened to. As noted in previous post, Bullinger was tricked because he listened to a false argument. Thus, is anyone listens to you and is tricked by your false arguments, is that good for them ? No. Therefore, it remains true that it is good if they continue not listening to your false arguments. Take care what you listen to - false arguments tricked you in the past(and currently) (like from valcary cahp) , and now you are trying to trick others, believing the false is true.
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I'm not following the teachings of man, You know when Jesus said not to follow traditions of men he was speaking about the vain worship of the Pharisees. Jesus was NOT telling us future reader of the Gospel not to listen to His Apostles!
1 Timothy 4:16
"Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you."
2 Thessalonians 2:15,
"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" (KJV).
2 Timothy 3:13
"But the evil men and deceivers will grow worse and worse, while they deceive and are deceived themselves" (NMB).
2 Timothy 4:3-4
"For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will reject the truth and chase after myths" (NLT).
The these verse very clearly imply that the doctrines and the traditions of the church in the 1st century were sound doctrine. But they warned that a time will come---meaning, that time had not yet come---when people will no longer listen to sound doctrine. Flat earthers claim that we are not to listen to the teachings of the 1st century church but should follow only how their witch doctors of the 21st century vaguely interpret Scripture instead. But flat earthers and many other heretics are refuted by Scripture.
The Church did not end with the death of John only to start back up 4 years ago with the flat earth movement. The church continued as it still does. Clement of Rome is the earliest writing from any of the successors of the Apostles. I very strongly doubt he was a heretic since Scripture says his name is written in the Book of Life in Philippians 4:3. Clement read spinning globe from the Bible!! Moreover, since it is impossible to prove Clement of Rome a heretic, it would also be worth paying attention to the church fathers who came after him who also read spinning globe from the Bible. Any Christian who denies such early traditions is an apostate,
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It's flat at great distances, because it's flat. When people are catching a mountain 1,200 miles away at an altitude of 31k feet, then there is over 120 miles of missing curve. Doesn't work on a globe.
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yeshuaslavejeff
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So sad to see you listened to the false argument. Get free if you can, Trusting God, God willing.
(including other things , even more important)
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