I already told you. Your posts have no sensible flow.
Law and grace do not mix.
- CAN YOU HAVE GOD'S GRACE WITHOUT GOD'S LAW?Grace alone is a counterfeit theology. It is grace and truth that is complete.Hello all. Thought this would be an interesting topic for discussion. How can you have God's GRACE if there is not LAW that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL? If we do not KNOW that we are all sinners how can we see our need of a Saviour?
According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.
OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.
We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. If we do not know we are sick why would we seek a physician?
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WHAT IS GRACE FOR?
WHAT PART DOES GOD'S LAW HAVE IN GRACE?
CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Scripture please)
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*FRIENDLY DISCUSSION PLEASE; PLEASE PROVIDE SCRIPTURE FOR YOUR CLAIMS
God bless you all
Law and grace do not mix.
John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Romans 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
Romans 7:6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
In regards to what grace is for, see post #55.
Actually it did. Now why don't you answer your own questions using Scripture and without writing a 20 page essay that leads to salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works."
It's not necessary to use ALL CAPS in the thread title nor in whole sentences in subsequent posts.
here you go just for you...
IF you want to live under the Law and keep the Sabbath. Must keep in the same way proscribed to the Israelites in the OT, and you can be assured that no one in the Sda keeps it in that fashion!
None, Yes, Grace is the means God saves us, on the basis of what Jesus did on the Cross for us, and based upon NOTHING that we can do!Anyone want to have a go at the OP now?
1. WHAT PART DOES GOD'S LAW HAVE IN GRACE?
2. CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Scripture please)
3. WHAT IS GRACE FOR?
Will catch up latter 99 all and God bless.
Lol.Yawwwn
In the NEW TESTAMENT.....
1. Jesus taught that it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath? (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus taught that God's Sabbath was made for mankind and not man for the Sabbath rebuking the tradtions of the Jew in regards to their traditions and interpretation around Sabbath keeping? (Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8)
3. Jesus taught that he was the maker and creator of the Sabbath and the God of creation? (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
4. Jesus is our example who kept the Sabbath as well as all those who followed him (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)
5. Jesus taught that those who break God's Commandments and teach others to do so will not enter God's Kingdom? (Matt 5:19)
6. Jesus taught that not a jot or tittle will pass from God's LAW until heaven and earth pass away? (Matthew 5:18)
7. Jesus taught that on the two great commandments of LOVE to GOD and MAN hang ALL the LAW and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40)
8. Paul warns us that those who do NOT believe and follow GOD do not enter into God's Sabbath rest because of their SINS and UNBELIEF (Hebrews 3-4)
9. Jesus, Paul, James, John and Peter taught there is 10 Commandments including the Sabbath and not 9 commandments and if you break one of God's Commandments you stand guilty before God of breaking all of them (James 2:8-12).
10. Timothy teaches that ALL SCRIPTURE (OLD AND NEW Testament) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). Jesus teaches we are to live by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4)
11. PAUL teaches that only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST *HEBREWS 4:1-9
Why would Jesus and the Apostles give us further instruction in relation to Sabbath keeping building on the OLD TESTAMENET scriptures if we no longer need to keep it? (Point 1, 2, 3, 6)
SIN is the transgression or breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)
CONCLUSION: Yep plenty of scripture showing what JESUS taught about the Sabbath. JESUS who is our example kept the SABBATH along with all the APOSTLES. PAUL kept the SABBATH with both JEWS and GENTILES.
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Hope this helps.
And get away from the teaching of a false so called prophetess!Lol.
Jesus was UNDER the Old Covenant and the Law.
Of course Jesus preached the Old Covenant and Law.
Jesus was clear, in His life He came for Israel.
In death and fulfillment of keeping the Law perfectly, in His blood and death for sin, the New Covenant came.
What a false premise you are pushing. Geez.
Get under some good, educated Bible-based teaching brother.
Lol.
Jesus was UNDER the Old Covenant and the Law.
Of course Jesus preached the Old Covenant and Law.
Jesus was clear, in His life He came for Israel.
In death and fulfillment of keeping the Law perfectly, in His blood and death for sin, the New Covenant came.
What a false premise you are pushing. Geez.
Get under some good, educated Bible-based teaching brother.
