CAN YOU HAVE GOD'S GRACE WITHOUT GOD'S LAW?

[SkyWriting]

Actually where does it say that in God's WORD.

Look past that one word and the details of promiscuity will be clearer.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The word you are using was recently invented. The term they were using had to do with having multiple partners, and not sexual orientation, as we use the term today. Most of the passages do explain the behavior that was the problem such as sleeping with both sexes, or leaving a spouse for another partner and even sleeping with both genders at once. All bad things. But choice of partner was not the crime they saw. Multiple partners outside of marriage was the crime they saw.

If you drop your focus on the one word, you'll see explanations of what the real problem was. Being gay was just a side issue that by itself, causes no damage.

You are confused. God created man and woman for marriage. Not man for man or women for women. That was the practice of Sodom and Gommorah whos end was an example of what would happen to all those who partake of their practices in the end days.

LEVITICUS 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them.

ROMANS 1:26-32
[26], For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[27], And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
[28], And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[29], Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[30], Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[31], Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[32], Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

God bless.

 

[Erik Nelson]

https://weekly.israelbiblecenter.com/grace-and-law/

 

[Erik Nelson]

Yes my friend we should always use God's WORD for our answers. You have only been provided Questions however that you are yet to answer with God's WORD.

What is GRACE for?

How can you have God's GRACE without God's LAW?

In regards to ROMANS 7:6 What is it that we are to die to that has bound us?

How can you have a GRACE without God's LAW (10 commandments) when it is God's LAW that leads to GRACE? What are the OLD and NEW COVENANTS?

If you do not KNOW what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to?


God bless.

the law shows we REQUIRE grace? grace which comes from God, not the law?

we know of the old covenant through the old testament?

 

[YeshuaFan]

I agree.

There are others here who, insist that if a person doesn’t go to Church on Saturday they will be damned to hell.

Yes, as Ellen White claimed that God told her that one day worshiping on Sunday would be taking the Mark of the Beast!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Really? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolshed and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

HEBREWS 4:9, So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

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WHAT PART DOES GOD'S LAW HAVE IN GRACE?

CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Scripture please)

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

God bless.

Hebrews states that Jesus is our new Sabbath rest, as we are now not under the obligation of the Law, but now under the real Sabbath day rest of being saved by grace! And the early Christians did worship andd met on Sunday!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Infidelity is the problem being described in those passages. And inhospitality. Gays also lived lives without carnality back then as well, but it was not a problem that ruined lives. Scripture is only talking about promiscuity as the problem.

The main problem was homosexual activities running wild!

 

[YeshuaFan]

The word you are using was recently invented. The term they were using had to do with having multiple partners, and not sexual orientation, as we use the term today. Most of the passages do explain the behavior that was the problem such as sleeping with both sexes, or leaving a spouse for another partner and even sleeping with both genders at once. All bad things. But choice of partner was not the crime they saw. Multiple partners outside of marriage was the crime they saw.

If you drop your focus on the one word, you'll see explanations of what the real problem was. Being gay was just a side issue that by itself, causes no damage.

They were practicing active gay relationships, strictly forbidden by God!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

the law shows we REQUIRE grace? grace which comes from God, not the law? we know of the old covenant through the old testament?

Hi Erik your posts did not answer the questions in the OP. I will look to answer the questions in the OP with scripture shortly.

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WHAT PART DOES GOD'S LAW HAVE IN GRACE?

CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Scripture please)

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, as Ellen White claimed that God told her that one day worshiping on Sunday would be taking the Mark of the Beast!

In your view is someone who KNOWINGLY CONTINUES in UNREPENTANT SIN in a saved state before GOD or an UNSAVED state before GOD? God's LAW (10 commandments) give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

GOD's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of SIN is when broken. If we KNOWINGLY break it just like any of the other commandments we commit SIN and SIN will keep all those who KNOWINGLY practice it out of God’s KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son.

The MARK OF THE BEAST is not weather you should worship GOD on SUNDAY as you claim. We should worship GOD EVERYDAY of the week. The MARK OF THE BEAST is over SIN and breaking God's LAW. The wages is SIN is death to those who reject God's WORD the same as it has always been from GENESIS to REVELATION, God's judgments have only ever been given to mankind over SIN (breaking God's LAW) and it will continue to be so until the end of time *REVELATION 22:12.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

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WHAT PART DOES GOD'S LAW HAVE IN GRACE?

CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Scripture please)

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hebrews states that Jesus is our new Sabbath rest, as we are now not under the obligation of the Law, but now under the real Sabbath day rest of being saved by grace! And the early Christians did worship andd met on Sunday!

Really? Please show me the scripture that says JESUS is a SABBATH? God's WORD says that the SABBATH is the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK *GENESIS 2:1-3 and JESUS us the LORD of the SABBATH which he created for mankind *MARK 2:27-28 and commands us to REMEMBER in God's 4th Commandment and do no work on as a MEMORIAL of creation *EXODUS 20:8-11.

According to God's WORD breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments is SIN *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4.

In your view are we now free to lie, steal murder ......... ? If you answer no than your contradicting yourself. This teaches lawlessness. Something which JESUS and all the APOSTLES in the NEW TESTAMENT never taught *Need scripture?

God's people met everyday of the week. That does not make everyday of the weel a HOLY DAY that God blessed and commands us not to work on now does it *ACTS 2:46-47?

How can God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of God's 4th commandment be a SHADOW of anything when it is a part of a FINISHED WORK OF CREATION BEFORE SIN entered the world and BEFORE God's plan of salvation that the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 come from was given to mankind?

Now if you cannot answer these questions perhaps you should reconsider what it is you believe and who it is you follow?

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Back to the OP

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WHAT PART DOES GOD'S LAW HAVE IN GRACE?

CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Scripture please)

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

God bless.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Really? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolshed and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

I hate to break it to you but the entire Old Covenant has been replaced by the New Covenant.

Romans 14:5-6
5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it

 

[YeshuaFan]

I hate to break it to you but the entire Old Covenant has been replaced by the New Covenant.

Romans 14:5-6
5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it

The OT was a shadow and a type that was pointing towards Jesus, and the New Covenant has made/rendered obsolete the Old one!

 

[ToBeLoved]

The OT was a shadow and a type that was pointing towards Jesus, and the New Covenant has made/rendered obsolete the Old one!

Amen! Praise God for grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I hate to break it to you but the entire Old Covenant has been replaced by the New Covenant.

Indeed it has. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT was how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

Romans 14:5-6 5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it

Is ROMANS 4:6 talking about what day God esteems *ISAIAH 56:1-8, 58:13; PSALMS 89:34 or what day man esteems for eating or not eating *ROMANS 14:1-5? We know what things man esteems is an abomoniation to God

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Some points to consider in Romans 14:1-15

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] The words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] The words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] The words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] The entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

ROMANS 6:1-2 []1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

ROMANS 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] The words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] The words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] None of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] Nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] Anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

Only sent in love brother as a help.

God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. God's WORD says if we break ANY ONE of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

God's people are in every church *JOHN 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and tradtions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *JOHN 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The OT was a shadow and a type that was pointing towards Jesus, and the New Covenant has made/rendered obsolete the Old one!

The NEW TESTAMENT scriptures do not do away with the OLD TESTAMENT. Together these are the two great witnesses that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation for mankind. Everything that is written in the NEW TESTAMENT comes from the OLD TESTAMENT. In the days of JESUS and the APOSTLES their bible was the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. Together JESUS tells us we must live by every WORD of God *MATTHEW 4:4

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WHAT PART DOES GOD'S LAW HAVE IN GRACE?

CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Scripture please)

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

God bless.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Indeed it has. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT was how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?



Is ROMANS 4:6 talking about what day God esteems *ISAIAH 56:1-8, 58:13; PSALMS 89:34 or what day man esteems for eating or not eating *ROMANS 14:1-5? We know what things man esteems is an abomoniation to God

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Some points to consider in Romans 14:1-15

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] The words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] The words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] The words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] The entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

ROMANS 6:1-2 []1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

ROMANS 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] The words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] The words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] None of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] Nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] Anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

Only sent in love brother as a help.

God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. God's WORD says if we break ANY ONE of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

God's people are in every church *JOHN 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and tradtions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *JOHN 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

God bless.

I know exactly what the Old Covenant was.

Your premise that I do not know is incorrect.

However, we are not under the Old Covenant, so I’m missing your point there.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I know exactly what the Old Covenant was. Your premise that I do not know is incorrect. However, we are not under the Old Covenant, so I’m missing your point there.

There is another post only just completed for you here that should help click me.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Is ROMANS 4:6 talking about what day God esteems *ISAIAH 56:1-8, 58:13; PSALMS 89:34 or what day man esteems for eating or not eating *ROMANS 14:1-5? We know what things man esteems is an abomoniation to God

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Some points to consider in Romans 14:1-15

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] The words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] The words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] The words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] The entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

ROMANS 6:1-2 []1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

ROMANS 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] The words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] The words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] None of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] Nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] Anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

Only sent in love brother as a help.

God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. God's WORD says if we break ANY ONE of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

God's people are in every church *JOHN 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and tradtions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *JOHN 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

God bless.[/QUOTE]
You really need to direct your response to the verses I gave.

It is NOT ONLY about food. It is about days also. Food is a second point AFTER days.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Is ROMANS 4:6 talking about what day God esteems *ISAIAH 56:1-8, 58:13; PSALMS 89:34 or what day man esteems for eating or not eating *ROMANS 14:1-5? We know what things man esteems is an abomoniation to God

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Some points to consider in Romans 14:1-15

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] The words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] The words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] The words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] The entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

ROMANS 6:1-2 []1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?[2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

ROMANS 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] The words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] The words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] None of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] Nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] Anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

Only sent in love brother as a help.

God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. God's WORD says if we break ANY ONE of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

God's people are in every church *JOHN 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and tradtions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *JOHN 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

God bless.
You really need to direct your response to the verses I gave.

It is NOT ONLY about food. It is about days also. Food is a second point AFTER days.

You did not read the post did you.