The question cessationists must answer.

NBB said:

God can speak to you to your interior, an audible voice or something is not neccesary.

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Where is prophecy ever described as 'speaking to your interior' (by which I presume you mean having a feeling)?

When God first spoke to the young prophet Samuel he heard an audible voice. He thought it was Eli speaking to him. Read about it in 1 Sam 3.

When prophecy is quoted in scripture it is along the lines of 'Thus said the Lord "<exact words here>" '. If the Lord did not say those exact words, the Bible is lying. This is just a small sampling....


And New Testament prophecy is the same:


Notice that a lot of those cases the prophets were even having a conversation with God. How can you do that with a feeling?

Did God not say those exact words in the above verses?

swordsman1 said:

Where is prophecy ever described as 'speaking to your interior' (by which I presume you mean having a feeling)?

When God first spoke to the young prophet Samuel he heard an audible voice. He thought it was Eli speaking to him. Read about it in 1 Sam 3.

When prophecy is quoted in scripture it is along the lines of 'Thus said the Lord "<exact words here>" '. If the Lord did not say those exact words, the Bible is lying. This is just a small sampling....

Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

Joshua 1:1 the Lord spoke to Joshua the son of Nun, Moses’ servant, saying, "Moses My servant is dead; now therefore arise,...."

1 Samuel 3:11 The Lord said to Samuel, “Behold, I am about to do a thing in Israel at which both ears of everyone who hears it will tingle."

2 Samual 2:1 David inquired of the Lord, saying, “Shall I go up to one of the cities of Judah?” And the Lord said to him, “Go up.” So David said, “Where shall I go up?” And He said, “To Hebron.”

Job 40: 1-3 Then the Lord said to Job, “Will the faultfinder contend with the Almighty? Let him who reproves God answer it.” Then Job answered the Lord and said, "Behold, I am insignificant;

Isaiah 7:3 Then the Lord said to Isaiah, “Go out now to meet Ahaz

Jeremiah 1:7 But the Lord said to me, “Do not say, ‘I am a youth,’​

And New Testament prophecy is the same:

Acts 21:10 "As we were staying there for some days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. And coming to us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, “This is what the Holy Spirit says: "In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen [a]instrument of Mine, ​

Notice that a lot of those cases the prophets were even having a conversation with God. How can you do that with a feeling?

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God speaks to us spiritually most of the time, 99,9999% of the time, and few people ever heard an audible voice, when the Holy spirit says something to you, is in your interior spiritually, not an audible voice.

Now you need to recongize what is talking to you spiritually, a lot of times you can just instant realize is from God because is obvious, other more subtle ways he can speak sometimes need us to determine somehow if it was him.

NBB said:

God speaks to us spiritually most of the time, 99,9999% of the time, and few people ever heard an audible voice, when the Holy spirit says something to you, is in your interior spiritually, not an audible voice.

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That is 99.9999% unbiblical.

swordsman1 said:

That is 99.9999% unbiblical.

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Most pèople don't hear an audible voice, even in the bible.

swordsman1 said:

That is 99.9999% unbiblical.

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Believe me, the Holy spirit speaks to us spiritually, not in audible form.

NBB said:

Most pèople don't hear an audible voice, even in the bible.

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So when God said to Moses “I AM WHO I AM”, God never really spoke those words?

W2L said:

Im not claiming to be an apostle or a prophet or teacher. Im just some lowly man asking why these modern apostles/'prophets/teachers are following divided denominations with man made traditions instead of teaching us the PURE truth. You can try to dodge the question but you cant. Just admit you have no answer please.

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You didn't ask a question. And you have yet to answer any of the questions I have asked of you.

swordsman1 said:

So when God said to Moses “I AM WHO I AM”, God never really spoke those words?

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Was there something about "most people" that you misunderstood to mean "every person?"

NBB said:

Believe me, the Holy spirit speaks to us spiritually, not in audible form.

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I would clarify that a bit. It is possible for the Holy Spirit to do two things: One, He can manipulate matter so as to create vibrations in the air to impinge on your eardrums as actual sound. Other spiritual beings can do the same thing. It's generally by manipulating matter and circumstances around you that beings other than the Holy Spirit (both angels and demons) can manifest themselves to you.

Two, because He abides within you, he can insert thoughts into your mind, either as seeming to come from a distinct entity from yourself or as a sudden greater understanding that you achieve in your own thoughts.

swordsman1 said:

That is 99.9999% unbiblical.

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You should pray to the Holy spirit to speak to you, a new world may be opened who knows... But don't listen to the devil, you get used to his soft impulses and recongize them most of the time.

RDKirk said:

Was there something about "most people" that you misunderstood to mean "every person?"

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In scripture it was "no people" who received a prophecy via a fuzzy feeling. It was always 'God said "<exact words here>" '.

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In scripture it was "no people" who received a prophecy via a fuzzy feeling. It was always 'God said "<exact words here>" '.

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Why you say God communicating with christians is a 'fuzzy feeling' he is spiritual and can communicate to christians spiritually.

NBB said:

Why you say God communicating with christians is a 'fuzzy feeling' he is spiritual and can communicate to christians spiritually.

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Spiritual communication, fuzzy feelings, thoughts popping into your mind, speaking to your interior,.... call it what you want, it is all unbiblical. There is only one way that God spoke to prophets in scripture and that was by speaking.

swordsman1 said:

And we still have them. Paul, John, Peter, Matthew, James.... They are still building up the body of Christ and equipping his people.



That is not true. Paul regarded himself just as much an apostle as the Twelve.

• 2 Cor 11:5 "For I consider myself not in the least inferior to the most eminent apostles."
• He associated himself himself with the Twelve 1 Cor 4:9 "God has put us apostles on display"
• He appealed to his eye-witness status as evidence of his apostleship.
• He performed miracles like the Twelve.
• He wrote more scripture than all the others put together.
• He was prepared to make a stand against Peter.
• Like the twelve he did not receive the gospel from any man, but from Christ himself (Gal. 1:11-12)

Apostles and prophets were for the foundation of the church with Christ the cornerstone (Eph 2:20). Are we still laying the foundation of the church?

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So much to correct in your post. I will have to try to get to it this week. Busy today.

And no my writings are not equal to scripture. Though I have also written epistles to various churches and written many things to the saints.

Most of the apostles did not write scripture. We also ready of Prophets speaking two or three in Corinth and we do not have any of their words added to scripture. God chose to put only certain things in scripture.

And the gospel Paul had was a revelation to him but also revealed and confirmed through scripture. As he said in 1 Cor 15.

Paul did not go in and out with Jesus in all his ministry from John to the resurrection, so yes his ministry was different than the 12. Though all the twelve still extend to the New Covenant in their apostle gifting and work.

Paul saw a light and Jesus spoke to him. This was different than being an eye witness of Jesus life since John. You confuse issues here often.

I also have seen Jesus Christ and been confirmed and sent out by HIM and heard His voice many times with the church as witness and in prayer.

Men like Barnabas and Silus and Timoteus and Titus as apostles did not have to see the life of Jesus from John till his resurrection and go in and out with Jesus in all his travels to be called apostles. We read simply that Barnabas was in a gathering and God spoke out to send out Paul and Barnabas for the work he had for them. This made Barnabas an apostle. We don't read of anything else in your list with Barnabas.

swordsman1 said:

The long ending may have first appeared around 170AD but that doesn't make it genuine. That was still a hundred years after the gospel was written. There were other endings circulating at the same time (5 in total), and the long ending was the rarest. In 320AD Eusebius said that that nearly all copies of Mark that he had seen lacked the long ending. Copies of Mark with the long ending only became more common much later.

The most damning evidence though is from the text itself. It is plainly an addition.

Bruce Metzger, A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament

(a) The vocabulary and style of verses 9-20 are non-Markan. (e.g. απιστεω, βλαπτω, βεβαιοω, επακολουθεω, θεαομαι, μετα ταυτα, πορευομαι, συνεργεω, υστερον are found nowhere else in Mark; and θανασιμον and τοις μετ αυτου γενομενοις, as designations of the disciples, occur only here in the New Testament).

(b) The connection between ver. 8 and verses 9-20 is so awkward that it is difficult to believe that the evangelist intended the section to be a continuation of the Gospel. Thus, the subject of ver. 8 is the women, whereas Jesus is the presumed subject in ver. 9; in ver. 9 Mary Magdalene is identified even though she has been mentioned only a few lines before (15.47 and 16.1); the other women of verses 1-8 are now forgotten; the use of αναστας δε and the position of πρωτον are appropriate at the beginning of a comprehensive narrative, but they are ill-suited in a continuation of verses 1-8. In short, all these features indicate that the section was added by someone who knew a form of Mark that ended abruptly with ver. 8 and who wished to supply a more appropriate conclusion. In view of the inconcinnities between verses 1-8 and 9-20, it is unlikely that the long ending was composed ad hoc to fill up an obvious gap; it is more likely that the section was excerpted from another document, dating perhaps from the first half of the second century.

The internal evidence for the shorter ending (2) is decidedly against its being genuine. Besides containing a high percentage of non-Markan words, its rhetorical tone differs totally from the simple style of Mark's Gospel.

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You are in great error here. But the word works in you if you believe it, not if you don't.

Alithis said:

I dont yet believe any one arrives at a cessationists conclusion by reading the scriptures. It is a stance taught to them from outside the scriptures.

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I just finished your Curry video. I thought he taught a lot of good stuff. I also thought he had a 'back up' calling as a comedian.

One thing I differ with him on though is this; he doesn't distinguish the difference between the spiritual anointing that is within you which is the holy spirit of Christ, and the anointing that is upon you, which is the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus never received the Holy Spirit until he was 30, establishing the pattern we follow and the 'fundamentals' don't. But Jesus, as 'the son of man' walked in the anointing within Him that came from having the spirit of Christ. A spirit which matured Him into becoming the manifested 'son of God'. A title which was audibly attested to, by the Father at the Holy Spirit baptism of Jesus.

Concerning the anointing within that scripture says keeps you from needing 'any man to teach you' is why Curry Blake said "if a (five fold) teacher is doing a good job it will be the anointing of the spirit within that truly teaches you the spiritual things of God, and not just man's teaching. Curry said that it's the Holy Spirit within, but like I say (being a bigger heretic than you ) I disagree with him on 'that point' only. Which is pretty good for me. I have actually listened to almost all of another video from him, while working on my Fat tire bike this afternoon.

And it was that same 'spirit of Christ' in "Jesus the Christ" by which he grew in wisdom and favor with God. But it was the Holy Spirit which enabled him to move in supernatural Spiritual power.

LUK 2:40 And the child grew and became strong, filled with wisdom; and the favor of God was upon him.

It was 'that Christ spirit' within which led Him to grow to maturity and become the perfect sacrifice.

HEB 5:8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered
9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him

This is why I believe the fundamentals are so 'fruit' conscious. That's within their anointing, whereas walking in the supernatural 'gifts' is not. But no where is 'fruit' only, or 'gifts' only the call of maturity. It is not an either or calling but a 'both and' calling. God wants us to both walk in His character/fruit and in His power/gifts.

LoveofTruth said:

And no my writings are not equal to scripture. Though I have also written epistles to various churches and written many things to the saints.

Most of the apostles did not write scripture.

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If an apostle (as you claim to be) wrote an epistle (as you claim to have done) then it was included in the canon. Shouldn't yours be added too?

LoveofTruth said:

This was different than being an eye witness of Jesus life since John. You confuse issues here often.

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The qualification was not being an eyewitness from John, it was being an eye-witness of the resurrected Christ (Acts 1:22). That was Paul's appeal as evidence of his apostleship.

LoveofTruth said:

I also have seen Jesus Christ and been confirmed and sent out by HIM and heard His voice many times with the church as witness and in prayer.

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Sure. Paul was wrong when he said he was the last person to see the risen Christ.

LoveofTruth said:

Men like Barnabas and Silus and Timoteus and Titus as apostles did not have to see the life of Jesus from John till his resurrection and go in and out with Jesus in all his travels to be called apostles. We read simply that Barnabas was in a gathering and God spoke out to send out Paul and Barnabas for the work he had for them. This made Barnabas an apostle. We don't read of anything else in your list with Barnabas.

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Silus, Timothy and Titus were not apostles as I have explained. We know Barnabas was an apostle because scripture said he was. He was divinely appointed, and being in the church from shortly after its inception he no doubt saw the risen Christ in his numerous appearances to the early church.

swordsman1 said:

Spiritual communication, fuzzy feelings, thoughts popping into your mind, speaking to your interior,.... call it what you want, it is all unbiblical. There is only one way that God spoke to prophets in scripture and that was by speaking.

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If you feel the Holy spirit or the presence of God, would you call that a 'fuzzy feeling' too?, you believe we can feel those things?

RDKirk said:

You didn't ask a question. And you have yet to answer any of the questions I have asked of you.

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You didn't ask a question.

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I meant that you couldnt refute my post.

And you have yet to answer any of the questions I have asked of you

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Did i miss something? If so please ask you questions again and i'll answer them.

NBB said:

Why you say God communicating with christians is a 'fuzzy feeling' he is spiritual and can communicate to christians spiritually.

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Oh maybe because the only 'warm fuzzy feeling' the bible says some people understand, comes from having a "drunk" or "mad" understanding of things spiritual.

Jesus could have said 'My sheep imagine a 'warm fuzzy sound'. like some here may believe. But Jesus didn't say 'that', instead he said; "My sheep hear my VOICE." Oh, and the word for "voice" there was PHONE in the Greek!!!!! Say what???? Jesus is saying that He is speaking in a spiritual voice/phone TONGUE to us, just like the "ungifted/unlearned" simply heard "drunks" and 'space cadets' speaking in, on the day of Pentecost.