ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

LoveGodsWord · Nov 4, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
I know all SDA, do not subscribe to what the OP is bringing to us, but whether they do or not, I seriously doubt too many of them would be happy about using tactics like that.

Hello brother, Kenny,

With all respect and love, why do you think if someone does not agree with you they are using some kind of tactic? Could their disagreement with you simply be because they have a different perspective on God's WORD than you do? There is no tactics being used here brother other than sharing God's WORD and as invited earlier you are free to join the discussion with us.

What is it in the OP that you believe other SDA'S do not subscribe to? It is hard to follow your posts brother if you cannot show what it is you actually disagree with from the posts and scriptures provided here.

You do not have to agree with everything written here brother but at least we can have a friendly discussion as christians can't we? Anyhow brother wish you only the best in the Lord Jesus.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 4, 2018

Ok friends continuing on with the questions here in the OP here. This is also linked not into the OP question section.

Q13. WHO IS THE ANTICHRIST, THE BEAST AND THE MAN OF SIN with the NUMBER 666?

1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.

The GREEK word used here is ἀντίχριστος antichristos which means an opponent or against the Messiah: - antichrist.

JESUS is the living WORD of GOD *JOHN 1:1-4; 14. So anything or anyone that is against or opposes the Word of GOD is antichrist because JESUS is the Word of God.

1 JOHN 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son.

2 THESSALONIANS 2:1-12
[1], Now we beseech you, brothers, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together to him,
[2], That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[3], Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4], Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
[5], Remember you not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[6], And now you know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time.
[7], For the mystery of iniquity does already work: only he who now let’s will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[8], And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9], Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10], And with all delusion of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11], And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12], That they all might be damned who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Links to...

REVELATION 13:18 [18], Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three score and six.

The Antichirst is simply anything that is anti or against Christ. Jesus is the LIVING WORD of GOD. So anything that is against or opposes the WORD of GOD is ANTICHRIST. JOHN says that even in his time there were many ANTICHRIST (against or in opposition to God’s WORD) which is a sign of the last times *1 JOHN 2:18.

JOHN was referring to the Words of JESUS that in the last days there would be many false teachers, false prophets and false Christ going out to deceive many *MATTHEW 24:24; MARK 13:22; 2 PETER 2:1

The BEASTS of REVELATION 13 are also ANTICHRIST in the book of REVELATION because they deceive the people of the world into worshipping an IMAGE of the first BEAST. This results in all those who are deceived into worship the BEASTS IMAGE receiving the MARK OF THE BEAST.

REVELATION 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that worked miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

All the world will follow after the BEAST and many will be deceived into receiving the MARK OF THE BEAST.

The ANTICHRIST is against God's WORD and will decieve many. 2 THESSALONIANS 2:1-12 says there will be a shaking v2 and a warning is given, not to let any man deceive us and that many will fall away from the truth of God's WORD v3 and that the man of sin will be revealed v3-4 but many will receive and believe strong delusions because they would not receive the love of the truth because they had pleasure in unrighteousness (SIN) v10-12.

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WHO THAN IS THE ANTICHRIST AND THE MAN OF SIN TO BE REVEALED?

REVELATION 13:18 [18], Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three score and six.

2 THESSALONIANS 2:3-4 [3], Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4], Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

NOTE: Let him that has understanding or wisdom count the number of the BEAST; IT IS THE NUMBER OF A MAN AND HIS NUMBER IS 666. This number, which is the number of a MAN represents the number that identifies the first BEAST of REVELATION 13.

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The NUMBER of the BEAST (first beast) is the NUMBER of a MAN and his number is 666 *REVELATION 13:18

Latin is the official language of the Roman Catholic Church which uses the Latin Vulgate Bible. Roman numerals are used to calculate the Beast's number which is the number of a man that equals 666.

* If you wish to know what each letter represents in ROMAN NUMERALS Click here in wiki.

The NUMBER of the BEAST (first beast) is the NUMBER of a MAN and his number is 666

A few of many titles of the Pope who is the head of the Catholic Church...

*LATEINOS = 666 (Latin speaking man)
*VICARIUS FILII DEI = 112+53+501 = 666 (Popes titles in place of the Son of God)
*Dux Cleri = 515+151 = 666 (Popes titles in Latin which means Captain of the Clergy)
*LUDOVICUS = 666 (Popes titles in Latin Vicar of the court)
*HE LATINE BASILEIA = 666 (Latin kingdom)
*ITALIKA EKKLESIA = 666 (Italian Church)

*FOR A DETIALED BREAK DOWN OF 666 AND MANY MORE TITLES CLICK THE SOURCE HERE*

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REVELATION 13:18 [18], Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three score and six.

The number 666 is the represents the NUMBER of the BEAST and it is the NUMBER of a MAN. The POPE'S OFFICE is the HEAD of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, Therefore the ANTICHRIST and the FIRST BEAST, BABYLON THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS are all pointing to the ROMANS CATHOLIC CHURCH

As shown earlier it is NOT our brothers and sisters in this system that are the problem God has many of his true people in ALL Churches and is calling them out to worship him in Spirit and in truth, according to his Word. The ANTICHRIST is anything that is opposed to or against God's WORD. God's people are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and keep all his commandments by faith. *REVELATIONS 12:17; 14:12; 22:14. Those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD will receive the MARK OF THE BEAST.

God's sheep however, wherever they may be will hear his Voice (the Word of God)

God bless...

Bladerunner · Nov 4, 2018

MyGivenNameIsKeith said:
1611 also has no "J" in its 25 letter alphabet. Semantics there I suppose. This conversation between us hasn't been very fruitful, I'd like to change that. Anyways, hope your Sunday goes well. Though any day is a privilege and a good day to worship in his house. Talk to you soon.

Thank you and I feel the same. I think it was me that got lost some where in our post(s). My apologies. Hope you have a great week ahead. Gonna rain around here. lol

Blade

Kenny'sID · Nov 4, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
With all respect and love, why do you think if someone does not agree with you they are using some kind of tactic?

You missed the point. I suggest you read again to see exactly what
I was saying. A clue for you omn your accusation, go through my posts elsewhere and see how many times I'm disagreed with but never mention a thing about "tactics"...making your accusation unfounded.

LoveGodsWord said:
What is it in the OP that you believe other SDA'S do not subscribe to?

I've told you several times, their definition of the Mark of the Beast....why do you keep asking me the same thing while I answer the same each time?

I asked you several times to post "here" how they conclude as they do so I could show you why I disagree one step at a time, but you have refused by inaction....there is a reason for that inaction, and I touched on that also.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 4, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
You missed the point. I suggest you read again to see exactly what I was saying. A clue for you omn your accusation, go through my posts elsewhere and see how many times I'm disagreed with but never mention a thing about "tactics"...making your accusation unfounded.

Well that is not true at all brother Kenny. Your words below...

Kenny'sID said: IOW, If we don't buy what SDA says, and take the verses in the bible to mean just what you say they mean, we must not be a professed christian. Now do you now see what I mean by "tactics". I know all SDA, do not subscribe to what the OP is bringing to us, but whether they do or not, I seriously doubt too many of them would be happy about using tactics like that. And what you are doing is not just an SDA thing, I've seen it from more than one Christian Bully..."believe as we do or there is something wrong with you"...the very reason I like to stick with the Bible and those who do the same.
When you post scripture as you have done and for the purpose of bullying the unaware to come over to your way of thinking, you are not teaching the bible, you are "using" Gods word in order to get what you want. You have shown your heart.

So no brother, I am not making any false accusations. I am only asking you about something that you have posted to another brother as shown above in your own post and in your own words. Not sure why it is you think I am accusing you of anything either. I am only asking you for clarification of what you said.

Kenny'sID said:
I asked you several times to post "here" how they conclude as they do so I could show you why I disagree one step at a time, but you have refused by inaction....there is a reason for that inaction, and I touched on that also.

Sorry brother, that has no truth in it either. I refer you to a few (there are many more) posts from our conversations from posts # 305 linked click me; 324 linked click me; 326 linked click me; 328 linked click me most of which I have provided you with linked scripture studies from God's WORD in this thread showing what the MARK OF THE BEAST is. You have also been invited many times now to show section by section and scripture by scripture what it is you disagree with and why. For some reason you refuse my invitation to have a discussion on this topic and these scriptures.

If you do not wish to discuss the scripture with me just say so. Anyhow, If you change your mind however and want to discuss any of the posts and the scriptures in any of the studies here, I have now linked them all in the first post in the OP under the Questions section.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts here brother we may have to agree to disagree.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word :wave:

Original Happy Camper · Nov 4, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
Actually, that's precisely what you are saying...you gave yourself away when you pulled the same tactic in the following:

IOW, If we don't buy what SDA says, and take the verses in the
bible to mean just what you say they mean, we must not be a professed christian. Now do you now see what I mean by "tactics".

I know all SDA, do not subscribe to what the OP is bringing to us, but whether they do or not, I seriously doubt too many of them would be happy about using tactics like that. And what you are doing is not just an SDA thing, I've seen it from more than one Christian Bully..."believe as we do or there is something wrong with you"...the very reason I like to stick with the Bible and those who do the same.

When you post scripture as you have done and for the purpose of bullying the unaware to come over to your way of thinking, you are not teaching the bible, you are "using" Gods word in order to get what you want.

You have shown your heart.

You do not have the ability to read my heart unless you are GOD which you are not.

Kenny'sID · Nov 5, 2018

Original Happy Camper said:
You do not have the ability to read my heart unless you are GOD which you are not.

Sure I do, people do it all the time. Can you show me one proof that states only God can read ones heart...of course you can't. That's just flat out untrue, but I suppose making false accusations in order to deflect from the meat of my post is easier than addressing it.

Kenny'sID · Nov 5, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts here brother we may have to agree to disagree.

You can leave it at that if you like but just for the record, and as I said once already, I don't agree to disagree with false doctrine.

Kenny'sID · Nov 5, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Guys so we do not get too much off topic, I am going to share some comments on the first question in the OP with a focus on REVELATIONS 14 and the MARK OF THE BEAST.

Q1. WHAT IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL? v6

REVELATION 14:6, And I saw another angel fly in midheaven, having the EVERLASTING GOSPEL [εὐαγγέλιον meaning good news] to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and tribe, and tongue, and people,

NOTE: The GREEK Word used here G2098 εὐαγγέλιον means simply good news; So the first angels message is preaching the everlasting GOOD NEWS to all people of the earth.

WHAT DOES THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL REPRESENT?

1 PETER 1:25, But THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD]. And this is the word which by the GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS] is preached unto you.

LUKE 21:33, Heaven and earth shall pass away: BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD].

ISAIAH 40:8, The grass withers, the flower fades, But THE WORD OF OUR GOD STANDS FOREVER [GOD’S WORD IS EVERLASTING].

JOHN 17:17, SANCTIFY THEM THROUGH THE TRUTH, YOUR WORD IS TRUTH [GOD’S WORD IS TRUTH AND WE ARE SAVED BY IT – Good news indeed].

MATTHEW 4:4 Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD [LIFE FROM THE WORD OF GOD]

JOHN 1:1-4; 14
[1], In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.

[2], The same was in the beginning with God.

[3], All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[4], In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

[14], And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

NOTE: JESUS is the living WORD OF GOD.

[12], But as many as received him [THE WORD OF GOD], to them gave he power to become the children of God, EVEN TO THEM THAT BELIEVE ON HIS NAME [MATTHEW 1:21, And she shall bring forth a son, and you shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.]

NOTE: v12 and MATTHEW 1:21. JOHN 1:12 As many as received him [THE WORD OF GOD] to them he gave POWER to become the children of GOD. His name is JESUS [THE WORD OF GOD] because he [THE WORD OF GOD] will save all who receive him [BELIEVE AND FOLLOW THE WORD OF GOD]

1 PETER 1:22-23,

[22], Seeing you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto sincere love of the brethren, see that you love one another with a pure heart fervently:

[23], BEING BORN AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED BUT OF INCORUPTIBLE, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which lives and ABIDES FOREVER [EVERLASTING].

LUKE 8:11, NOW THIS IS THE PARABLE; THE SEED IS THE WORD OF GOD.

1 JOHN 3:9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; FOR HIS SEED REMAINS IN HIM: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 JOHN 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, EVEN OUR FAITH [in the WORD OF GOD; the SEED must remain in us through FAITH].

PSALMS 119:11, YOUR WORD HAVE A HID IN MY HEART, THAT I MIGHT NOT SIN AGAINST YOU [in the WORD OF GOD; the SEED must remain in us through FAITH].

And this is the victory that overcomes the world, EVEN OUR FAITH in God’s WORD that is IN US.

JOHN 15:4-5,
[4] ABIDE IN ME AND I IN YOU [THE WORD OF GOD]. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me. [5] I am the vine, you are the branches: He that stays in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for WITHOUT ME [THE WORD OF GOD] YOU CAN DO NOTHING. [6], If a man abides not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. [7], IF YOU ABIDE IN ME [THE LIVING WORD OF GOD] AND MY WORDS ABIDE IN YOU abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done to you. [8], Herein is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit; so shall you be my disciples. [9], As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you: continue you in my love. [10], IF YOU KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, you shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.

NOTE: We cannot bear the fruit of obedience unless God’s WORD abides in us as we BELIEVE and follow him who calls us in love to love.

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CONCLUSION: WHAT IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL OF REVELATION 14:6?

The EVERLASTING Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4) ALL OF GOD’S WORD IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL. It is the EVERLASTING GOSPEL because JESUS AND HIS WORD is EVERLASTING.

ALL THE WORD OF GOD IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS].

God bless

gos·pel
/ˈɡäspəl/
noun
noun: gospel; noun: Gospel; plural noun: Gospels; noun: gospel music; plural noun: gospel musics

1.
the teaching or revelation of Christ.
"it is the Church's mission to preach the gospel"
synonyms: Christian teaching, Christian doctrine, Christ's teaching; More
the word of God, the good news, the New Testament
"the Gospel according to John"
- a thing that is absolutely true.
  noun: gospel truth; plural noun: gospel truths
  "they say it's sold out, but don't take that as gospel"
  synonyms: the truth; More
  fact, actual fact, reality, actuality, factuality, the case, a certainty
  "don't treat this as gospel"
- a set of principles or beliefs.
  "the new economics unit has produced what it reckons to be the approved gospel"
  synonyms: doctrine, dogma, teaching, principle, ethic, creed, credo, ideology, ideal; More
  belief, tenet, canon
  "her gospel of nonviolence"
2.
the record of Jesus' life and teaching in the first four books of the New Testament.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 5, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
You can leave it at that if you like but just for the record, and as I said once already, I don't agree to disagree with false doctrine.

Well, I doubt it very much Kenny. Your welcome to try and prove your claims if you like my friend? All your doing is providing your own word's over God's WORD. All that has been provided here is God's WORD. All your doing is making statement you cannot prove with God's WORD so your argument is with God not me. My brother, only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9; ACTS 5:29; ROMANS 3:4. As I said earlier please let me know when you wish to discuss the scriptures. Until then we will have to agree to disagree.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 5, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
gos·pel
/ˈɡäspəl/
noun
noun: gospel; noun: Gospel; plural noun: Gospels; noun: gospel music; plural noun: gospel musics

1.
the teaching or revelation of Christ.
"it is the Church's mission to preach the gospel"
synonyms: Christian teaching, Christian doctrine, Christ's teaching; More
the word of God, the good news, the New Testament
"the Gospel according to John"

a thing that is absolutely true.
noun: gospel truth; plural noun: gospel truths
"they say it's sold out, but don't take that as gospel"
synonyms: the truth; More
fact, actual fact, reality, actuality, factuality, the case, a certainty
"don't treat this as gospel"

a set of principles or beliefs.
"the new economics unit has produced what it reckons to be the approved gospel"
synonyms: doctrine, dogma, teaching, principle, ethic, creed, credo, ideology, ideal; More
belief, tenet, canon
"her gospel of nonviolence"

2.
the record of Jesus' life and teaching in the first four books of the New Testament.

So your wanting to share an english dictionary definition of what the Gospel is instead of what God's WORD says is the Gospel? I also believe the Gospel is the life, death and resurrection of Jesus but is that all the Gospel is?

Ok going on your interpretation of what you believe the Gospel is, please explain what the following scriptures are talking about...

MARK 1:14-15 [14], Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, [15], And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent you, and believe the gospel.

LUKE 7:22 Then Jesus answering said to them, Go your way, and tell John what things you have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached

MATTHEW 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

MATTHEW 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

MATTHEW 11:5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

MATTHEW 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations; and then shall the end come.

Speaking of God's people in the wilderness in the OLD TESTAMENT...

HEBREWS 4:2 For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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NOTE: So in your view Jesus was going about teaching about his life, death and resurrection before he lived his life, died and was resurrected? The scriptures provided above do not agree with your definition now do they? Can you see your mistake here brother?

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Ok now what does God's WORD say is the Gospel and what does the GREEK word mean?

WHAT IS THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD.

REVELATION 14:6, And I saw another angel fly in midheaven, having the EVERLASTING GOSPEL [εὐαγγέλιον meaning good news] to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and tribe, and tongue, and people,

NOTE: The GREEK Word used here G2098 εὐαγγέλιον means simply good news; So the first angels message is preaching the everlasting GOOD NEWS to all people of the earth.

WHAT DOES THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL REPRESENT?

1 PETER 1:25, But THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD]. And this is the word which by the GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS] is preached unto you.

LUKE 21:33, Heaven and earth shall pass away: BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD].

ISAIAH 40:8, The grass withers, the flower fades, But THE WORD OF OUR GOD STANDS FOREVER [GOD’S WORD IS EVERLASTING].

JOHN 17:17, SANCTIFY THEM THROUGH THE TRUTH, YOUR WORD IS TRUTH [GOD’S WORD IS TRUTH AND WE ARE SAVED BY IT – Good news indeed].

MATTHEW 4:4 Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD [LIFE FROM THE WORD OF GOD]

JOHN 1:1-4; 14
[1], In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. [2], The same was in the beginning with God. [3], All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4], In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

[14], And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

NOTE: JESUS is the living WORD OF GOD.

[12], But as many as received him [THE WORD OF GOD], to them gave he power to become the children of God, EVEN TO THEM THAT BELIEVE ON HIS NAME [MATTHEW 1:21, And she shall bring forth a son, and you shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.]

NOTE: v12 and MATTHEW 1:21. JOHN 1:12 As many as received him [THE WORD OF GOD] to them he gave POWER to become the children of GOD. His name is JESUS [THE WORD OF GOD] because he [THE WORD OF GOD] will save all who receive him [BELIEVE AND FOLLOW THE WORD OF GOD]

1 PETER 1:22-23, [22], Seeing you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto sincere love of the brethren, see that you love one another with a pure heart fervently: [23], BEING BORN AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED BUT OF INCORUPTIBLE, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which lives and ABIDES FOREVER [EVERLASTING].

LUKE 8:11, NOW THIS IS THE PARABLE; THE SEED IS THE WORD OF GOD.

1 JOHN 3:9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; FOR HIS SEED REMAINS IN HIM: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 JOHN 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, EVEN OUR FAITH [in the WORD OF GOD; the SEED must remain in us through FAITH].

PSALMS 119:11, YOUR WORD HAVE A HID IN MY HEART, THAT I MIGHT NOT SIN AGAINST YOU [in the WORD OF GOD; the SEED must remain in us through FAITH].

And this is the victory that overcomes the world, EVEN OUR FAITH in God’s WORD that is IN US.

JOHN 15:4-5,
[4] ABIDE IN ME AND I IN YOU [THE WORD OF GOD]. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me. [5] I am the vine, you are the branches: He that stays in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for WITHOUT ME [THE WORD OF GOD] YOU CAN DO NOTHING. [6], If a man abides not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. [7], IF YOU ABIDE IN ME [THE LIVING WORD OF GOD] AND MY WORDS ABIDE IN YOU abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done to you. [8], Herein is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit; so shall you be my disciples. [9], As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you: continue you in my love. [10], IF YOU KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, you shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.

NOTE: We cannot bear the fruit of obedience unless God’s WORD abides in us as we BELIEVE and follow him who calls us in love to love.

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CONCLUSION: WHAT IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL OF REVELATION 14:6?
The EVERLASTING Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD IS THE GOSPEL BECAUSE IT IS ALL GOOD NEWS AND BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4) ALL OF GOD’S WORD IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL. It is the EVERLASTING GOSPEL because JESUS AND HIS WORD is EVERLASTING.

ALL THE WORD OF GOD IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS] TO ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW IT.

Hope this helps brother

God bless

Original Happy Camper · Nov 5, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
You can leave it at that if you like but just for the record, and as I said once already, I don't agree to disagree with false doctrine.

Does the WORD of GOD in Post #351 above change your opinion of what the Gospel is?

or

Are you so routed in your following of man's teaching that no amount of GODS WORDS will reach you?

LoveGodsWord · Nov 5, 2018

Ok guys continuing on with the questions of the OP (this will be linked in to the question section of the first post in of the first page in the OP)

Q14. WHO DID THE EARLY REFORMERS BELIEVE THE ANTICHRIST WAS?
PART 1/2

Protestant Reformers View of Antichrist (Source Wikipedia)

See also: Great Apostasy, Protestant Reformation, and History of Protestantism

Protestant Reformers, including John Wycliffe, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Thomas Cranmer, John Thomas, John Knox, Roger Williams, Cotton Mather, Jonathan Edwards and John Wesley, as well as most Protestants of the 16th-18th centuries, felt that the Early Church had been led into the Great Apostasy by the Papacy and identified the Pope with the Antichrist.[13][14] The Centuriators of Magdeburg, a group of Lutheran scholars in Magdeburg headed by Matthias Flacius, wrote the 12-volume Magdeburg Centuries to discredit the Catholic Church and lead other Christians to recognize the Pope as the Antichrist. So, rather than expecting a single Antichrist to rule the earth during a future Tribulation period, Martin Luther, John Calvin, and other Protestant Reformers saw the Antichrist as a present feature in the world of their time, fulfilled in the Papacy.[13][15]

Among the others who interpreted the Biblical prophecy historistically there were many Church Fathers; Justin Martyr wrote about the Antichrist: "He Whom Daniel foretells would have dominion for a time and times and an half, is even now at the door".[16] Irenaeus wrote in Against Heresies about the coming of the Antichrist: "This Antichrist shall ... devastate all things ... But then, the Lord will come from Heaven on the clouds ... for the righteous".[17] Tertullian looking to the Antichrist wrote: "He is to sit in the temple of God, and boast himself as being god. In our view, he is Antichrist as taught us in both the ancient and the new prophecies; and especially by the Apostle John, who says that 'already many false-prophets are gone out into the world' as the fore-runners of Antichrist".[18] Hippolytus of Rome in his Treatise on Christ and Antichrist wrote: "As Daniel also says (in the words) 'I considered the Beast, and look! There were ten horns behind it – among which shall rise another (horn), an offshoot, and shall pluck up by the roots the three (that were) before it.' And under this, was signified none other than Antichrist."[19][20] Athanasius of Alexandria clearly hold to the historical view in his many writings; in The Deposition of Arius, he wrote: "I addressed the letter to Arius and his fellows, exhorting them to renounce his impiety.... There have gone forth in this diocese at this time certain lawless men – enemies of Christ – teaching an apostasy which one may justly suspect and designate as a forerunner of Antichrist".[21] Jerome wrote: "Says the apostle [Paul in the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians], 'Unless the Roman Empire should first be desolated, and antichrist proceed, Christ will not come.'" He also identifies the Little horn of Daniel 7:8 and 7:24-25 which "shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law" as the Papacy.[22]

Some Franciscans had considered the Emperor Frederick II a positive Antichrist who would purify the Catholic Church from opulence, riches and clergy.[23]

Some of the debated features of the Reformation's Historicist interpretations reached beyond the Book of Revelation. They included the identification of:

* the Antichrist (1 and 2 John);
* the Beast of Revelation 13;
* the Man of Sin, or Man of Lawlessness, of 2 Thessalonians 2 (2:1-12);
* the "Little horn" of Daniel 7 and 8;
* The Abomination of desolation of Daniel 9, 11, and 12; and
* the harlot of Babylon of Revelation 17.

The Protestant Reformers tended to hold the belief that the Antichrist power would be revealed so that everyone would comprehend and recognize that the Pope is the real, true Antichrist and not the vicar of Christ. Doctrinal works of literature published by the Lutherans, the Reformed Churches, the Presbyterians, the Baptists, the Anabaptists, and the Methodists contain references to the Pope as the Antichrist, including the Smalcald Articles, Article 4 (1537),[24] the Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope written by Philip Melanchthon (1537),[25] the Westminster Confession, Article 25.6 (1646), and the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith, Article 26.4. In 1754, John Wesley published his Explanatory Notes Upon the New Testament, which is currently an official Doctrinal Standard of the United Methodist Church. In his notes on the Book of Revelation (chapter 13), he commented: "The whole succession of Popes from Gregory VII are undoubtedly Antichrists. Yet this hinders not, but that the last Pope in this succession will be more eminently the Antichrist, the Man of Sin, adding to that of his predecessors a peculiar degree of wickedness from the bottomless pit."[26][27]

to be continued....

LoveGodsWord · Nov 5, 2018

Q14. WHO DID THE EARLY REFORMERS BELIEVE THE ANTICHRIST WAS?
PART 2/2

In calling the pope the "Antichrist", the early Lutherans stood in a tradition that reached back into the eleventh century. Not only dissidents and heretics but even saints had called the bishop of Rome the "Antichrist" when they wished to castigate his abuse of power. What Lutherans understood as a papal claim to unlimited authority over everything and everyone reminded them of the apocalyptic imagery of Daniel 11, a passage that even prior to the Reformation had been applied to the pope as the Antichrist of the last days.[14]

The identification of the Pope with the Antichrist was so ingrained in the Reformation Era, that Luther himself stated it repeatedly:

"This teaching [of the supremacy of the pope] shows forcefully that the Pope is the very Antichrist, who has exalted himself above, and opposed himself against Christ, because he will not permit Christians to be saved without his power, which, nevertheless, is nothing, and is neither ordained nor commanded by God".[28]

and,

"nothing else than the kingdom of Babylon and of the very Antichrist. For who is the man of sin and the son of perdition, but he who by his teaching and his ordinances increases the sin and perdition of souls in the church; while he yet sits in the church as if he were God? All these conditions have now for many ages been fulfilled by the papal tyranny."[29]

John Calvin similarly wrote:
"Though it be admitted that Rome was once the mother of all Churches, yet from the time when it began to be the seat of Antichrist it has ceased to be what it was before. Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman Pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt .. I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy."[30]

John Knox wrote on the Pope:
"Yea, to speak it in plain words; lest that we submit ourselves to Satan, thinking that we submit ourselves to Jesus Christ, for, as for your Roman kirk, as it is now corrupted, and the authority thereof, whereon stands the hope of your victory, I no more doubt but that it is the synagogue of Satan, and the head thereof, called the pope, to be that man of sin, of whom the apostle speaks."[31]

Thomas Cranmer on the Antichrist wrote:
"Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of Antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons."[32]

John Wesley, speaking of the identity given in the Bible of the Antichrist, wrote:
"In many respects, the Pope has an indisputable claim to those titles. He is, in an emphatical sense, the man of sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled, the son of perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers, destroyed innumerable souls, and will himself perish everlastingly. He it is that opposeth himself to the emperor, once his rightful sovereign; and that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped - Commanding angels, and putting kings under his feet, both of whom are called gods in scripture; claiming the highest power, the highest honour; suffering himself, not once only, to be styled God or vice-God. Indeed no less is implied in his ordinary title, "Most Holy Lord," or, "Most Holy Father." So that he sitteth - Enthroned. In the temple of God - Mentioned Rev. xi, 1. Declaring himself that he is God - Claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone."[33]

Roger Williams wrote about the Pope:
"the pretended Vicar of Christ on earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vassals, yea over the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God himself ... speaking against the God of heaven, thinking to change times and laws; but he is the Son of Perdition."[34]

The identification of the Roman Catholic Church as the apostate power written of in the Bible as the Antichrist became evident to many as the Reformation began, including John Wycliffe, who was well-known throughout Europe for his opposition to the doctrine and practices of the Catholic Church, which he believed had clearly deviated from the original teachings of the early Church and to be contrary to the Bible. Wycliffe himself tells (Sermones, III. 199) how he concluded that there was a great contrast between what the Church was and what it ought to be, and saw the necessity for reform. Along with John Hus, they had started the inclination toward ecclesiastical reforms of the Catholic Church.

When the Swiss Reformer Huldrych Zwingli became the pastor of the Grossmünster in Zurich (1518) he began to preach ideas on reforming the Catholic Church. Zwingli, who was a Catholic priest before he became a Reformer, often referred to the Pope as the Antichrist. He wrote: "I know that in it works the might and power of the Devil, that is, of the Antichrist".[35]

The English Reformer William Tyndale held that while the Roman Catholic realms of that age were the empire of Antichrist, any religious organization that distorted the doctrine of the Old and New Testaments also showed the work of Antichrist. In his treatise The Parable of the Wicked Mammon, he expressly rejected the established Church teaching that looked to the future for an Antichrist to rise up, and he taught that Antichrist is a present spiritual force that will be with us until the end of the age under different religious disguises from time to time.[36] Tyndale's translation of 2 Thessalonians, chapter 2, concerning the "Man of Lawlessness" reflected his understanding, but was significantly amended by later revisers,[37] including the King James Bible committee, which followed the Vulgate more closely.

Exactly as prophecy had given, in 1798 Pope Pius VI was taken prisoner by the armies of Napoleon I, and died in captivity in France, and it appeared the Papacy had been dealt a death blow, or its power taken or wounded and yet it was restored: "One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the Beast" (Revelation 13:3).

In 1870, the newly formed Kingdom of Italy annexed the remaining Papal States, depriving the Pope of his temporal power. However, the Papal rule over Italy was later restored by the Italian Fascist regime [38] (albeit on a greatly diminished scale) in 1929 as head of the Vatican City state;[38] under Mussolini's dictatorship, Roman Catholicism became the State religion of Fascist Italy[38][39] (see also Clerical fascism), and the Racial Laws were enforced to outlaw and persecute both Italian Jews [40] and Protestant Christians,[39][41][42][43] especially Evangelicals and Pentecostals.[41][42][43] Thousands of Italian Jews and a small number of Protestants died in the Nazi concentration camps.[40][43]

Today, many Protestant and Restorationist denominations still officially maintain that the Papacy is the Antichrist, such as the conservative Lutheran Churches [44][45][46] and the Seventh-day Adventists.[47][48][49][50][51] In 1988 Ian Paisley, Evangelical minister and founder of the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster, made headlines with such a statement about Pope John Paul II.[52] The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod states about the Pope and the Catholic Church:[44]

There are two principles that mark the papacy as the Antichrist. One is that the pope takes to himself the right to rule the church that belongs only to Christ. He can make laws forbidding the marriage of priests, eating or not eating meat on Friday, birth control, divorce and remarriage, even where there are not such laws in the Bible. The second is that he teaches that salvation is not by faith alone but by faith and works. The present pope upholds and practices these principles. This marks his rule as antichristian rule in the church. All popes hold the same office over the church and promote the same antichristian belief so they all are part of the reign of the Antichrist. The Bible does not present the Antichrist as one man for one short time, but as an office held by a man through successive generations. It is a title like King of England.[53]

God bless.

Kenny'sID · Nov 5, 2018

Original Happy Camper said:
Does the WORD of GOD in Post #351 above change your opinion of what the Gospel is?

or

Are you so routed in your following of man's teaching that no amount of GODS WORDS will reach you?

I guess you weren't able to catch on to the fact I looked at the post and it was clear you spun gospel to mean all of the word of God, not just the gospels/good news of the bible that is specifically the gospels. I think you guys figure people are going to get lost in all the wordiness ir the points that brings SDA to conclude what the mark of the beast is. The gospel is not what you have spun it to be, and it's amazing how the dictionary does a much better job at defining it than SDA, as once again they don't simply define, they spin, and spin in order to create false doctrine about the bible so they can use that to create their Mark of the Beast scenario.

And that was just the OP's first point on the long list of points that make up their MOTB thing, and it was completely made up/manufactured...nothing biblical about it, just a bunch of double talk.

Are you so routed in your following of SDA's teaching that no amount of GODS WORDS will reach you?

Gods word calls the good news books, the "Gospel of" and SDA has changed that for their own purposes.

Now show me simply where the bible defines "gospel" as all the words of God, or was that mans/SDA's definition/spin as in the OP's description in this thread?

Kenny'sID · Nov 5, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
So your wanting to share an english dictionary definition of what the Gospel is instead of what God's WORD says is the Gospel? I also believe the Gospel is the life, death and resurrection of Jesus but is that all the Gospel is?

Ok going on your interpretation of what you believe the Gospel is, please explain what the following scriptures are talking about...

MARK 1:14-15 [14], Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, [15], And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent you, and believe the gospel.

LUKE 7:22 Then Jesus answering said to them, Go your way, and tell John what things you have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached

MATTHEW 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

MATTHEW 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

MATTHEW 11:5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

MATTHEW 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations; and then shall the end come.

Speaking of God's people in the wilderness in the OLD TESTAMENT...

HEBREWS 4:2 For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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NOTE: So in your view Jesus was going about teaching about his life, death and resurrection before he lived his life, died and was resurrected? The scriptures provided above do not agree with your definition now do they? Can you see your mistake here brother?

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Ok now what does God's WORD say is the Gospel and what does the GREEK word mean?

WHAT IS THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD.

REVELATION 14:6, And I saw another angel fly in midheaven, having the EVERLASTING GOSPEL [εὐαγγέλιον meaning good news] to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and tribe, and tongue, and people,

NOTE: The GREEK Word used here G2098 εὐαγγέλιον means simply good news; So the first angels message is preaching the everlasting GOOD NEWS to all people of the earth.

WHAT DOES THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL REPRESENT?

1 PETER 1:25, But THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD]. And this is the word which by the GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS] is preached unto you.

LUKE 21:33, Heaven and earth shall pass away: BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD].

ISAIAH 40:8, The grass withers, the flower fades, But THE WORD OF OUR GOD STANDS FOREVER [GOD’S WORD IS EVERLASTING].

JOHN 17:17, SANCTIFY THEM THROUGH THE TRUTH, YOUR WORD IS TRUTH [GOD’S WORD IS TRUTH AND WE ARE SAVED BY IT – Good news indeed].

MATTHEW 4:4 Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD [LIFE FROM THE WORD OF GOD]

JOHN 1:1-4; 14
[1], In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. [2], The same was in the beginning with God. [3], All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4], In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

[14], And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

NOTE: JESUS is the living WORD OF GOD.

[12], But as many as received him [THE WORD OF GOD], to them gave he power to become the children of God, EVEN TO THEM THAT BELIEVE ON HIS NAME [MATTHEW 1:21, And she shall bring forth a son, and you shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.]

NOTE: v12 and MATTHEW 1:21. JOHN 1:12 As many as received him [THE WORD OF GOD] to them he gave POWER to become the children of GOD. His name is JESUS [THE WORD OF GOD] because he [THE WORD OF GOD] will save all who receive him [BELIEVE AND FOLLOW THE WORD OF GOD]

1 PETER 1:22-23, [22], Seeing you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto sincere love of the brethren, see that you love one another with a pure heart fervently: [23], BEING BORN AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED BUT OF INCORUPTIBLE, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which lives and ABIDES FOREVER [EVERLASTING].

LUKE 8:11, NOW THIS IS THE PARABLE; THE SEED IS THE WORD OF GOD.

1 JOHN 3:9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; FOR HIS SEED REMAINS IN HIM: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 JOHN 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, EVEN OUR FAITH [in the WORD OF GOD; the SEED must remain in us through FAITH].

PSALMS 119:11, YOUR WORD HAVE A HID IN MY HEART, THAT I MIGHT NOT SIN AGAINST YOU [in the WORD OF GOD; the SEED must remain in us through FAITH].

And this is the victory that overcomes the world, EVEN OUR FAITH in God’s WORD that is IN US.

JOHN 15:4-5,
[4] ABIDE IN ME AND I IN YOU [THE WORD OF GOD]. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me. [5] I am the vine, you are the branches: He that stays in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for WITHOUT ME [THE WORD OF GOD] YOU CAN DO NOTHING. [6], If a man abides not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. [7], IF YOU ABIDE IN ME [THE LIVING WORD OF GOD] AND MY WORDS ABIDE IN YOU abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done to you. [8], Herein is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit; so shall you be my disciples. [9], As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you: continue you in my love. [10], IF YOU KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, you shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.

NOTE: We cannot bear the fruit of obedience unless God’s WORD abides in us as we BELIEVE and follow him who calls us in love to love.

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CONCLUSION: WHAT IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL OF REVELATION 14:6?
The EVERLASTING Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD IS THE GOSPEL BECAUSE IT IS ALL GOOD NEWS AND BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4) ALL OF GOD’S WORD IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL. It is the EVERLASTING GOSPEL because JESUS AND HIS WORD is EVERLASTING.

ALL THE WORD OF GOD IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS] TO ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW IT.

Hope this helps brother

God bless

Not one bit of all that you posted there states the gospel is all of Gods word...please answer the question in my last post and show me where the bible states it is all of God word and doesn't just pertain to the good news in the "gospels", as the bible does. In your post I just quoted, every time the gospel is mentioned it's about the good news part of the bible. Yet you seem to think if you can quote the word gospel several times, that means it means everything in the bible or what you have spun it to mean....strange

Again, the gospel is something specific.

Kenny'sID · Nov 5, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Your welcome to try and prove your claims if you like my friend?

Here is a clue for you. The bible simply calls the Good news books the "Gospels", and there is your proof. The clue? See how few words it took me to prove that?

One doesn't have to use long winded posts in order to make a simple point, however they do if they are trying to change the truth..

Original Happy Camper · Nov 5, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
Now show me simply where the bible defines "gospel" as all the words of God, or was that mans/SDA's definition/spin as in the OP's description in this thread?

MATTHEW 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

This is a statement about what Jesus did "preaching the gospel " and the four first books of the NT had not been written yet. So I guess the Gospel was available prior to the NT

Jesus speaking
John 5:38-40 King James Version (KJV)
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Only scripture available was the TORAH at the time he spoke this

Original Happy Camper · Nov 5, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
Here is a clue for you. The bible simply calls the Good news books the "Gospels", and there is your proof. The clue? See how few words it took me to prove that?

One doesn't have to use long winded posts in order to make a simple point, however they do if they are trying to change the truth..

The Bible tells how to study
Isaiah 28:10
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Kenny'sID · Nov 5, 2018

Original Happy Camper said:
MATTHEW 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

This is a statement about what Jesus did "preaching the gospel " and the four first books of the NT had not been written yet. So I guess the Gospel was available prior to the NT

Jesus speaking
John 5:38-40 King James Version (KJV)
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Only scripture available was the TORAH at the time he spoke this

Original Happy Camper said:
The Bible tells how to study
Isaiah 28:10
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

You didn't answer my question.

And Jesus was teaching same Good news...no one said the good news was only mentioned in the Gospels, so basically you got nothing, but lets see if you'll answer my question.

ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

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