WHO DO YOU FOLLOW THE TRADITIONS OF MEN OR THE WORD OF GOD (JESUS)?

LoveGodsWord said:

Actually not entirely right. It was a tradition and teaching handed down to Protestantism by the RCC. Protestants were once Roman Catholics that came out from following the traditions of the RCC through the reformation of those who chose to follow God's WORD over the teachings and traditions of men. It seems they did not abandon all the traditions and teachings of the church (e.g. God's 4th Commandments)

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There are two errors in that paragraph. For one, the Protestant churches did not simply go along with Catholic practice, as you appear to suggest. They retained what was Scriptural and reformed what was unScriptural.

The fact that Sunday worship was shown to be Scriptural is what explains its retention by them.

For another, no Reformation-era Protestant church did "abandon" or abolish the Fourth Commandment.

LoveGodsWord said:

Hi brother Cis.jd, some nice points you bring up here. However, I believe God has his hand in the development and production of the Bible as we see it today to give all of mankind a knowledge of his inspired Word that is relevant for mankinds salvation. Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother but I believe God has his hand in the development of the bible. Thanks for sharing your thoughts however brother. It is nice to see how others think.

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I do agree. But Why do you believe that hand of his selected Matt-Rev as the NT canon? There is nothing in scripture where you read God stating that Matt-Rev is the true and ONLY NT canon but you believe it to be regardless of no scriptural confirmation. Why?

LoveGodsWord said:

There is no errors in the paragraph you are quoting from brother.

1. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Also, the OP shows in the confession of the Catholic Church on the change of God's 4th Commandment to Sunday that everything stated here and in the OP are correct. I am not sure if you have seen it so will post it here for ease of access..

2. What protestant Church teaches obedience to God's 4th Commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11? None.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother. If you honestly look at what is being said here you will see that there is no mistake here and if so who should we believe, the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God or God's WORD?

Thanks for sharing.

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We are not commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy Day, nor are we commanded to have Saturday as the Holy Day. Sunday was implemented to commemorate the resurrection of Jesus, who rose on a Sunday. That is the beginning of the "new life" in where the old testament commandments that the Hebrews had to traditionally live by are no longer mandatory. Because he completed it. The old laws in the OT were for preparing man for the coming of the Messiah, therefore because of Jesus the whole "you should only worship on Saturday" was retired. Because the new life started when Jesus rose again - Sunday.

The early christians also worshiped EVERY day, and not just on Sabbath.

LoveGodsWord said:

Hi brother Cis.jd, good question. For me, I believe that it is the same God that is not willing that any shuold perish and that all should come to a knowledge of the truth because he loves every single one of us and wants none of us to miss out on heaven. This being said many are called but few are chosen because not many will choose to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. I believe God's hand has been over the development of the bible and has allowed all the world to access it and this is God's Word that he wants all to know. It is amazing everything I see in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures comes from the OLD both are in complete harmony. These are the two great witnesses that will judge mankind in the judgment *JOHN 12:47-48.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother Cis.jd.

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I understand you believe it, but that wasn't my question, I'm asking you why you believe. Why do you follow these books that are in the NT when none of the names are mentioned or ordered in scripture?

To clarify more, why do you believe the book of 1st Peter is an inspired word and not the Acts of Pilot (which was rejected by the church)? It doesn't matter what you see and how you think they are in harmony because there is no where in scripture that says the book of 1st Peter is canon while Acts of Pilot isn't so what you feel is redundant.

TuxAme said:

God has given certain authority to men- obeying them doesn't necessarily mean that we cease to obey God. Jesus Himself said of certain men, The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not.

And of course, no Christian rejects the teaching of the apostles merely because they were men and not God. We all acknowledge that He gave certain responsibilities (and authority) to the Twelve, so it's not as simple as to say, "Who do you obey, God or man?" because we know that certain men have been authorized to teach.

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Christ gave certain authority to certain men, his disciples, but there is no biblical support for the "apostolic succession" that is taught in the RCC.

LoveGodsWord said:

Hello DamianWarS, nice to see you again brother.

Who is forcing people into unscriptural language? The OP is about those who follow the teachings and traditions of men and the Word of God and who should we follow. If Jesus did not come to Abolish any of God's Commandments than do you think we have a right to break them in order to follow the teachings and traditions of men? Jesus had some hard words to say in MATTHEW 15:3-9 and accused those of doing this as being hypocrits who were not following God. It is God's WORD however that teaches that God has his people in ALL Churches who are following his WORD as much as is revealed to them. In times of ignorance God winks at but when a knowledge of the truth is come calls all men everywhere to repent and follow his Word *ACTS 17:30-31. It is up to us all to choose who we follow and all will be accountable to God alone come judgment day.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother.

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let's remove the word abolish from the conversation as it is offensive to suggest that some value this and deliberately sets people up in opposition to Christ's words.

LoveGodsWord said:

If Jesus did not come to Abolish any of God's Commandments than do you think we have a right to break them in order to follow the teachings and traditions of men?

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this is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Do you think anyone here desires to live in opposition to God? Try and represent the other side using language that doesn't implicate them in wrongdoing.

If Christ did not come to abolish the "law and prophets" but he came to fulfill them then what is the current state of said "law and prophets", abolished or fulfilled? Of course it is fulfilled.

what's the difference between fulfilled/unfulfilled? If something is fulfilled it is no longer required and if something is unfulfilled it is still required. What's the difference between fulfilled/abolished? If something is fulfilled, again, it is no longer required and so there is no requirement to keep them, if something is abolished it is rejected and shunned and it certainly is not kept.

The state of the "law and prophets" is left as fulfilled. Not abolished, not unfulfilled but fulfilled. If I want to fill a bucket full of water if the task is unfulfilled it is empty or partially full. If it is abolished it is kicked over. If it is fulfilled it is full completely, adding more water to it doesn't fill it more.

LoveGodsWord said:

WHO SHOULD WE OBEY GOD'S WORD OR THE TEACHINGS AND TRADITIONS OF MEN?

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Is it possible to do both? For example is it possible to go to church on Sunday morning and at the same time obey God's word?

LoveGodsWord said:

Indeed there is no scripture in all the bible for this.

This however is the 4th Commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11 that God has commanded for all mankind to keep as a holy day of rest where no work is to be done.

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But where in scripture do you see "Saturday" named as the seventh day and why is it that even the first christians worshiped every day?

Indeed, but there is no scripture and command for this and it is a teaching and tradition of the Roman Catholic Church that has been handed down to the Chruches of today in place of the Word of God. snip

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If you read Matt 19:18, only 5 of the commandments were reinstituted in the New Testament, while Romans 3:9 reinstitutes 3. In total that is 9 out of the 10. Nowhere was the reinstating of the Sabbath, much more the Sabbath having to be a Saturday. Not even in the OT do you see the seventh day being stated as a Saturday - it's jewish tradition that sees it as a Saturday.
So in reality, you are just following the tradition of the jewish (picking saturday as the seventh day).

If you read the NT, especially the letters of Paul, you will see them worshiping on Sunday. Acts 20:7 says: "on the first day of the week", which in that time was Sunday. You can also see Paul's instructions in 1 Cor 16. For Christians, we chose Sunday to be our seventh day simply because of Jesus, just ask yourself.. does your church observe good Friday to Easter or do you celebrate passover?


Additionally, you are saying this is an RCC tradition yet you believe in Matt-Rev as the inspired canon over the books that the RCC rejected. So you actually follow tradition, you just don't realize it.

LoveGodsWord said:

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WHO SHOULD WE OBEY GOD'S WORD OR THE TEACHINGS AND TRADITIONS OF MEN?

The very same topics that we discuss here was also discussed in the day of Jesus. The mainstream preachers of Christ's time all claimed to be Children of God because their claim was that they were the Children of Abraham right? This was their claim to being God's people.

JOHN 8:33-45

[33] They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say thou, Ye shall be made free?

They claimed belief on the God of Abraham, they claimed to be in bondage to no man. But what did Jesus tell them...............?

[34] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.

[39] They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

[40] But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

[45] And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

There is more on this engagement between Jesus and the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of His time in John 8.

Certainly the Pharisees studied the bible as it existed then. AS did Jesus.

LUKE 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yet these two factions, Jesus and the Mainstream preachers of His time had almost opposite understandings of the Bible.

It is fair to say not all Jews of that time had the same understanding as the Mainstream Preachers.

LUKE 1:5-6 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

So there seems to be a trend here.

The Mainstream Preachers claimed to be God's people, they read God's Words, yet they "Transgressed the Commandments of God by their own doctrines and traditions." (Matthew 15:3-9)

Yet there is no indication that Zacharias or Jesus did this and followed them.

So we have one example of understanding that was gained by study in obedience to the instructions in God's Word, ( Zacharias and Jesus)

And another example of study in disobedience to the instructions of God's Word. (Mainstream preachers of that time)

There were more than just Zacharias.

MATTHEW 2:1-2
[1], Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Here is another example of people who had a completely different understanding than the Mainstream preachers of that time. Is it wrong to assume that they, like Zacharias, also studied in obedience to the instruction?

And Peter, which side of this topic did he fall on?

ACT 5:32-33 [32], And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

[33] When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

Now why was it that the Jews sought to persecute Jesus and the prophets? It was because they refused to obey the instruction of God, and created their own instructions, and the other example did not.

So fast forward to today. We have a Mainstream Christian teaching that "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own traditions and doctrines."

This is not a judgment, rather, a simple fact.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Sabbath Commandment and replace it with the Catholic Sabbath (Sunday worship). It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to create images of God in the likeness of some long haired men's shampoo model, transgressing the first and greatest commandment.
It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Food Laws, and create their own definition of clean and unclean.

So it seems that even today, if a person studies in obedience to God's simple instructions he see's the scripture one way.

If a person studies scripture in disobedience following the traditions and teachings of man in place of God's Word and to God's simple instructions, he sees the scripture in another way.

I believe what Peter taught, that the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth) is given to those who do not "Transgress the Commandments of God by their own religious doctrines and traditions.

But I also know from Peter and Jesus that this belief will infuriate "many" who come in Christ's/God's name.

[23] "When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them."

MATTHEW 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endures to the end shall be saved."

My hope is that you might consider these words and understand.

JOHN 3:19-21
[19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (Is it evil or righteous to transgress the commandments of God by doctrines and traditions of men?)

[20] For every one that doeth evil (Transgress God's Commandments by their own Traditions) hates the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Is this why the Mainstream preachers of Peters time set about to kill or silence Peter, so he wouldn't expose their transgression of God's Commandments?

[21] But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest,.(let your light shine) that they are wrought in God.

So a circle complete once again. Those who live a doctrine created (wrought) by God have a different understanding than those who live a doctrine created by man who follow the traditions of man. The above was shared with me recently by a friend. I hope it was a blessing to you as it was for me.

Some interesting Word from Jesus...

MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

According to Jesus if we follow the teachings and traditions of MEN over the WORD of GOD we are NOT following God.

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THE TRADITIONS OF SUNDAY WORSHIP HANDED DOWN FROM THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TO PROTESTANTISM (CATHOLIC CONFESSIONS).

* Now the important question is who should we obey God or man?

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Look forward to your comments.

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There is an appointed time when Christ will come as a thief in the night. Please read Numbers 16:29 and the entire story that surrounds That Verse. Consider God The Father’s Faithfulness as it concerned Caiaphas the high priest at the time of Christ’s crucifixion. Right after Christ resurrected Lazarus, some Jews who bare witness to that resurrection went to report the miracle to the Sanhedrin or the leaders of the Jews at that time. Caiaphas had received prophesy that one man had to die.

John.11 Verses 47 to 54

1. 
   [47] Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
   [48] If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
   [49] And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
   [50] Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
   [51] And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
   [52] And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
   [53] Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.
   [54] Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples.

It should be obvious that the political leaders were more concerned with their place and standing than worshipping Christ. I am not their judge and I thank God The Father for that. With exceptions, such as those pointed out by Moses, in the story that surrounds Numbers 16:29 and the visitation. All of my earliest memories support that i always professed Christ as The Only Begotten Son of God The Father. However, my actions in that life did not support what I proclaimed to believe. A little more than 28 years ago, God The Father called me. I was put in a fast of which I knew little if anything about at that time. As I recall, on the morning of the third day of that fast, Christ came to me as a thief in the night. That was God’s appointed time for my visitation. Aside for easily being the most exciting day of my life, my eyes and ears were opened and I absolutely knew that Christ was Speaking to me. The Fear of The Lord is the beginning of Knowledge (Proverbs 1:7). In today’s modern vernacular, people speak with exaggerated words and emotion. In today’s vernacular, the fear of The Lord is more bone paralyzing terror.

1John.2

1. [27] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

In Malachi 3:1-3, who shall stand in the day of His coming? No one will stand.

Mal.3 Verses 1 to 3

1. 
   [1] Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to this temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
   [2] But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
   [3] And he shall sit as a refiner and purifer of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

Christ Himself was broken and quickly taught The Fear of The Lord.

Rev.2

1. 
   
   [27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Isa.11

1. [3] And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

Christ has never forsaken me though I’ve drifted from Him for a short time.

Heb.10 Verses 25 to 27

1. 
   [25] Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
   [26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
   [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

It is a fearful thing to fall into The Hands of The Living God.

If you have gone through the visitation, you already know many of the mysteries in God’s Word. The born again experience is something that you will never forget. The first death is Spiritual and when you die to this worlds ways and thoughts. Christ continues to Teach me and chastising and scourging are part of growth.

If all of the aforementioned sounds foreign to you, perhaps in your walk you have heard similar testimony. 1 John 2:27 Above must happen to all who are Heaven Bound.

Jer.31

1. 
   
   [34] And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Heb.8

1. 
   
   [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

It is impossible to be obedient to The Word of God without Christ living within you.

LoveGodsWord said:

PART 1

WHO SHOULD WE OBEY GOD'S WORD OR THE TEACHINGS AND TRADITIONS OF MEN?

The very same topics that we discuss here was also discussed in the day of Jesus. The mainstream preachers of Christ's time all claimed to be Children of God because their claim was that they were the Children of Abraham right? This was their claim to being God's people.

JOHN 8:33-45

[33] They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say thou, Ye shall be made free?

They claimed belief on the God of Abraham, they claimed to be in bondage to no man. But what did Jesus tell them...............?

[34] Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.

[39] They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

[40] But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

[45] And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

There is more on this engagement between Jesus and the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of His time in John 8.

Certainly the Pharisees studied the bible as it existed then. AS did Jesus.

LUKE 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yet these two factions, Jesus and the Mainstream preachers of His time had almost opposite understandings of the Bible.

It is fair to say not all Jews of that time had the same understanding as the Mainstream Preachers.

LUKE 1:5-6 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

So there seems to be a trend here.

The Mainstream Preachers claimed to be God's people, they read God's Words, yet they "Transgressed the Commandments of God by their own doctrines and traditions." (Matthew 15:3-9)

Yet there is no indication that Zacharias or Jesus did this and followed them.

So we have one example of understanding that was gained by study in obedience to the instructions in God's Word, ( Zacharias and Jesus)

And another example of study in disobedience to the instructions of God's Word. (Mainstream preachers of that time)

There were more than just Zacharias.

MATTHEW 2:1-2
[1], Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Here is another example of people who had a completely different understanding than the Mainstream preachers of that time. Is it wrong to assume that they, like Zacharias, also studied in obedience to the instruction?

And Peter, which side of this topic did he fall on?

ACT 5:32-33 [32], And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

[33] When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

Now why was it that the Jews sought to persecute Jesus and the prophets? It was because they refused to obey the instruction of God, and created their own instructions, and the other example did not.

So fast forward to today. We have a Mainstream Christian teaching that "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own traditions and doctrines."

This is not a judgment, rather, a simple fact.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Sabbath Commandment and replace it with the Catholic Sabbath (Sunday worship). It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to create images of God in the likeness of some long haired men's shampoo model, transgressing the first and greatest commandment.
It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Food Laws, and create their own definition of clean and unclean.

So it seems that even today, if a person studies in obedience to God's simple instructions he see's the scripture one way.

If a person studies scripture in disobedience following the traditions and teachings of man in place of God's Word and to God's simple instructions, he sees the scripture in another way.

I believe what Peter taught, that the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth) is given to those who do not "Transgress the Commandments of God by their own religious doctrines and traditions.

But I also know from Peter and Jesus that this belief will infuriate "many" who come in Christ's/God's name.

[23] "When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them."

MATTHEW 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endures to the end shall be saved."

My hope is that you might consider these words and understand.

JOHN 3:19-21
[19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (Is it evil or righteous to transgress the commandments of God by doctrines and traditions of men?)

[20] For every one that doeth evil (Transgress God's Commandments by their own Traditions) hates the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Is this why the Mainstream preachers of Peters time set about to kill or silence Peter, so he wouldn't expose their transgression of God's Commandments?

[21] But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest,.(let your light shine) that they are wrought in God.

So a circle complete once again. Those who live a doctrine created (wrought) by God have a different understanding than those who live a doctrine created by man who follow the traditions of man. The above was shared with me recently by a friend. I hope it was a blessing to you as it was for me.

Some interesting Word from Jesus...

MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

According to Jesus if we follow the teachings and traditions of MEN over the WORD of GOD we are NOT following God.

.............

THE TRADITIONS OF SUNDAY WORSHIP HANDED DOWN FROM THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TO PROTESTANTISM (CATHOLIC CONFESSIONS).

* Now the important question is who should we obey God or man?

................

Look forward to your comments.

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The Sabbath was not changed to Sunday. The Hebrew Calendar of Saturday (i.e. Friday sundown to Saturday sundown) is still the Sabbath day but observing the Sabbath is no longer a binding command under the New Covenant. Colossians 2:14, Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5 should make this obvious for a person, but some just do not want to see that (For whatever reason is motivating them to see otherwise).

Anyways, to learn more about the Sabbath in view of the New Covenant, check out this article here:

Is the Sabbath Required for Christians Today? | Grace Communion International

Cis.jd said:

Why do you follow the NT canon (Matt to Rev)? Where in the Bible do you see it state by name that the true and only canon NT books are Matt to Rev? If you don't see these names mentioned and you still believe in these books to be the true and only inspired word of God, then you are following traditionn but don't realize/admit it.

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Interesting

Jason0047 said:

The Sabbath was not changed to Sunday. The Hebrew Calendar of Saturday (i.e. Friday sundown to Saturday sundown) is still the Sabbath day but observing the Sabbath is no longer a binding command under the New Covenant. Colossians 2:14, Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5 should make this obvious for a person, but some just do not want to see that (For whatever reason is motivating them to see otherwise).

Anyways, to learn more about the Sabbath in view of the New Covenant, check out this article here:

Is the Sabbath Required for Christians Today? | Grace Communion International

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Wait, im confused...where does it say in the Bible to no longer follow the Sabbath specifically? God would be contradicting His own commandments.

I read the verses.

Cis.jd said:

Why do you follow the NT canon (Matt to Rev)? Where in the Bible do you see it state by name that the true and only canon NT books are Matt to Rev? If you don't see these names mentioned and you still believe in these books to be the true and only inspired word of God, then you are following traditionn but don't realize/admit it.

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Why do we follow New Testament cannon?
Because Scripture drops really big clues that the Old Covenant (the Old contract) is no longer in effect and we are now under a New Covenant (the New contract).


Here are a list of verses:

7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious." (2 Corinthians 3:7-11).

“But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.” (2 Corinthians 3:14).

"When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear." (Hebrews 8:13) (NLT).

"Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God." (Romans 7:4).

"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6).

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" (Colossians 2:14).

20 "Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh."
(Colossians 2:20-23).

“By abolishing in His [own crucified] flesh the enmity [caused by] the Law with its decrees and ordinances [which He annulled]; that He from the two might create in Himself one new man [one new quality of humanity out of the two], so making peace.” (Ephesians 2:15) (AMPC).

"The old [former] rule [commandment; regulation] is now set aside [nullified; abolished], because it was weak and useless [ineffective]." (Hebrews 7:18) (EXB).

9 “Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.” (Hebrews 9:9-10).

16 “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” (Hebrews 9:16-17).

”And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament…” (Hebrews 9:15).

27 “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:27-28).

50 “Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; “ (Matthew 27:20-51).

8 “Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” (Hebrews 10:8-9).

“And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:1).

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 15:5).

“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment” (Acts of the Apostles 15:24).

28 "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." (Acts of the Apostles 15:28-29).


The Old Covenant says this about circumcision:
"And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." (Genesis 17:14).

Yet, the New Covenant says this about circumcision:
"Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." (Galatians 5:2).


The Old Covenant says this about the Sabbath:
32 "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses." (Numbers 15:32-36).

Yet, the New Covenant says this about the Sabbath:
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" (Colossians 2:16).

So it appears things have changed.
This makes sense because Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17).

LoveGodsWord said:

Hi Albion, thanks for sharing your thoughts again, they are appreciated. I had a look at your link but I could not find a single scripture that says that God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day in it's place now could you?

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Neither could I.

Natsumi Lam said:

Wait, im confused...where does it say in the Bible to no longer follow the Sabbath specifically? God would be contradicting His own commandments.

I read the verses.

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Colossians 2:14 says that Christ blots out those ordinances that were against us and he nailed them to the cross.

In Colossians 2:16-17 (still talking about the ordinances that have been blotted out): We are told not to allow anyone to judge us according to Sabbath days. Back in the Old Testament, you could be judged and even executed for disobeying the Sabbath. In the OT, a man collected sticks on the Sabbath, and he was killed. So things have changed. We are told not to let anyone judge us according to the Sabbath days (Which would include the weekly Saturday Sabbath). This means the Saturday Sabbath is no longer a binding command because we are not to allow anyone to judge us according to the Sabbath days.

Romans 14:5 says some regard all days the same and some regard one day over another. This is in regards to what a person considers to be a holy day of reverence for God. Some think they should reverence all days as being holy for God and others think it is the Saturday Sabbath and others think it is Sunday. The fact that Paul does not emphasize how we are to keep the Saturday Sabbath, and he says let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind on this matter suggests that the Saturday Sabbath command is no longer binding anymore.