God Gave us the Sun and the Sabbath, but God is NOT the Sun or the Sabbath

BobRyan · Jan 28, 2018

God is the Creator and gave mankind blessings

"The Sabbath was made FOR mankind" Mark 2:27
"on the 4th day God made TWO great lights" Genesis 1
"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

God made the Sun and the Sabbath - and they are given to bless mankind

but God IS NOT that which He makes or gives.

We need to distinguish between that which God MADE, that which God GIVES and that which God IS.

Matthew 11 "Come unto Me - and I will GIVE you rest".

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Exodus 20:6
"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"this is the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Goatee · Jan 28, 2018

God IS the light that shines in all true Christian lives.

BobRyan · Jan 28, 2018

Goatee said:
God IS the light that shines in all true Christian lives.

if we spiritualize it .. and yet there is still a real Sun and the real Sabbath. One does not detract from the other

klutedavid · Jan 28, 2018

BobRyan said:
if we spiritualize it .. and yet there is still a real Sun and the real Sabbath. One does not detract from the other

Both are temporary entities.

BobRyan · Jan 28, 2018

for all eternity in the New Earth -- "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

Not as "temporary" as some may have at first imagined to themselves.

klutedavid · Feb 14, 2018

BobRyan said:
for all eternity in the New Earth -- "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

Not as "temporary" as some may have at first imagined to themselves.

There is no sun shining on the new earth?

BobRyan · Feb 15, 2018

BobRyan said: ↑
for all eternity in the New Earth -- "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

Not as "temporary" as some may have at first imagined to themselves.

klutedavid said:
There is no sun shining on the new earth?

Is 66:22-23
“For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Apparently sun for the "New Earth"

Which is not needed in the Holy City - New Jerusalem itself - that comes down out of heaven to EARTH.

Pyong Ping · Aug 2, 2018

Good point.

The sun will last as long as time.

Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

Jeremiah 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

For we know that the sun is given for the day time, the light time on earth, that men may know the days of work:

John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Psalms 104:22 The sun ariseth, they gather themselves together, and lay them down in their dens.

Psalms 104:23 Man goeth forth unto his work and to his labour until the evening.

As it is written:

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Pyong Ping · Aug 3, 2018

Psalms 72:5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.

Psalms 72:17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.

Eloy Craft · Aug 4, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
The sun will last as long as time.

But there is an end to time.

Rev. 22
5 And there will be no more night; they need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.

Looks like the Lord replaces the sun and there is no night to be able to have a seventh day.

Eloy Craft · Aug 4, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
Jeremiah 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

I think that happened.

Eloy Craft · Aug 4, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

If God was finished creating on the sixth day, then the seventh day is not part of creation. The interval of time as it is measured by the sun and moon is part of creation but that is not really the day the Lord rests. That day has no night because it is lit by the light of Christ who has no darkness in Him.

BobRyan · Aug 5, 2018

Eloy Craft said:
But there is an end to time.

Rev. 22
5 And there will be no more night; they need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.

Looks like the Lord replaces the sun and there is no night to be able to have a seventh day.

No day-night sequence in the city itself.

But if the technical and scientifically defined term "time" were to end - then no more "events". All events take time and for every event there is "before-the-event" and "after-the-event". Because of that could be no "learning" there would be no "action and response" - nor would there be an act of praise or new understanding of anything at all... nor could one communicate or call anything at all to mind.

The context is not the "entire universe" with no day or night nor even "the entire Earth with no day or night" -- but rather the context in Rev 21 is "the city"

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; each one of the gates was a single pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass. 22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. 25 In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed;

Eloy Craft · Aug 5, 2018

BobRyan said:
No day-night sequence in the city itself.

But if the technical and scientifically defined term "time" were to end - then no more "events". All events take time and for every event there is "before-the-event" and "after-the-event". Because of that could be no "learning" there would be no "action and response" - nor would there be an act of praise or new understanding of anything at all... nor could one communicate or call anything at all to mind.

The context is not the "entire universe" with no day or night nor even "the entire Earth with no day or night" -- but rather the context in Rev 21 is "the city"

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; each one of the gates was a single pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass. 22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. 25 In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed;

It's irrelevant even if it weren't the entire universe. Everyone who ever lived is described in the text. Judgement has taken place. Everyone who's name is written in the book of life are in the city.

REV. 22; 14-15

14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

sparow · Aug 9, 2018

Eloy Craft said:
If God was finished creating on the sixth day, then the seventh day is not part of creation. The interval of time as it is measured by the sun and moon is part of creation but that is not really the day the Lord rests. That day has no night because it is lit by the light of Christ who has no darkness in Him.

At the risk of wandering off topic I can see two issues here; The six literal day creation is a type and the next 6000 years is an anti-type and what is being created is the kingdom of God. The millennium is a Sabbath and an interval of time that appears to be critical to the process of creation.

According to me, your concept of time is backwards; an interval is measured by time; time is not a thing with physical attributes. Time measures motion or movement so an interval refers to the potion of movement measured. There are things or concepts that exist only in the mind of man (and the mind of God). A straight line doesn't really exist, it is merely the shortest distance between two points; the two points do not really exist but are co-ordinates in a mathematical pace; the mathematical space exists only in the mind as a function of cognition and along with other things that do not really have a physical existence like length, volume, and time, can be used by men to quantise the universe.

Eloy Craft · Aug 10, 2018

sparow said:
At the risk of wandering off topic I can see two issues here; The six literal day creation is a type and the next 6000 years is an anti-type and what is being created is the kingdom of God. The millennium is a Sabbath and an interval of time that appears to be critical to the process of creation.

According to me, your concept of time is backwards; an interval is measured by time; time is not a thing with physical attributes. Time measures motion or movement so an interval refers to the potion of movement measured. There are things or concepts that exist only in the mind of man (and the mind of God). A straight line doesn't really exist, it is merely the shortest distance between two points; the two points do not really exist but are co-ordinates in a mathematical pace; the mathematical space exists only in the mind as a function of cognition and along with other things that do not really have a physical existence like length, volume, and time, can be used by men to quantise the universe.

It seems that time is bound to matter. Light speed as a boundary. Time as a moment without duration, beginning or end encompasses all. Yet time is maleable in accord with matter. The six days refer to time in matter thr seventh a moment without duration.

BobRyan · Aug 11, 2018

Eloy Craft said:
It's irrelevant even if it weren't the entire universe. Everyone who ever lived is described in the text. Judgement has taken place. Everyone who's name is written in the book of life are in the city.

REV. 22; 14-15

14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

The text does not say "trapped inside the city" or "chained in it" -- the extreme inference and speculation that imagines that the God and the saints "can never leave the city" -- is not a Bible based teaching -- it is imagination

Eloy Craft · Aug 11, 2018

BobRyan · Aug 11, 2018

Eloy Craft said:
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Thanks for posting that -- one of the best responses to the irrefutable Bible texts pointing out that Christ is "not" the gifts or benefits that He brings -- in the same way that a person who gives someone a kitten --- is not also himself a kitten.

Obviously.

sparow · Aug 11, 2018

BobRyan said:
The text does not say "trapped inside the city" or "chained in it" -- the extreme inference and speculation that imagines that the God and the saints "can never leave the city" -- is not a Bible based teaching -- it is imagination

Inside are the people of the first resurrection; outside are the people of the second resurrection. All who have ever lived are included in the text but all who are out side the city are about to die the second death. The city is not a literal city, it is the New Jerusalem, where Jesus is the cornerstone, the 12 apostles are the foundation and all who enterin are a masonry component. The problem with symbolic language is it is hard for us to understand.

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