Does the Bible Prohibit Pre-Marital Sex?

Kevin Snow said:

Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. ~Genesis 2:24

This word IS the institution of MARRIAGE and it has no written instruction of making vows!

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leaving father and mother to cleave to your wife is the vow. sex is the consummation of that vow.

THE W said:

leaving father and mother to cleave to your wife is the vow. sex is the consummation of that vow.

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What a load of baloney. Definitely not. You are interpreting scripture to match your experience rather than interpreting your experience from scripture. I'm done here.

Kevin Snow said:

What a load of baloney. Definitely not. You are interpreting scripture to match your experience rather than interpreting your experience from scripture. I'm done here.

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I like how you totally avoided my citations of Jacob and Dinah and never responded to how the man who was shacking up with the woman was cited by both Jesus and the woman as not being her husband despite them having sex.

but run along...retreat if you must.

THE W said:

the burden of proof is on you to biblically substantiate this.

why did Jacob call Rachel his wife before they had sex?

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Last thing I'm going to say and point out to you. Have you ever said anything by faith? Before it even happened you LIVED as though it were real and present with you. This is what it means to have faith. Jacob is calling her his wife by faith and that is real and true. The first thing he did was make her his wife by having sex with her.

"And Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness." The reason they are called and considered husband and wife is by faith. It is a matter of righteousness that we believe what oaths we have taken as God commanded:

If a man vows a vow to the Lord, or swears an oath to bind himself by a pledge, he shall not break his word. He shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth. ~Numbers 30:2

Kevin Snow said:

Before it even happened you LIVED as though it were real and present with you.

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except Jacob statement wasn't a statement of faith but a statement of fact. he didn't demand to become rachel's wife. he demanded to have sex with the woman who was his wife.

bye now..

THE W said:

I like how you totally avoided my citations of Jacob and Dinah and never responded to how the man who was shacking up with the woman was cited by both Jesus and the woman as not being her husband despite them having sex.

but run along...retreat if you must.

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Fair enough, I'll answer it then.

The reality of marriage is the fleshly union. So Shechem married himself to Dinah right then and there as it says in scripture:

Did he not make them one, with a portion of the Spirit in their union? And what was the one God seeking? Godly offspring. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and let none of you be faithless to the wife of your youth. ~Malachi 2:15

And this occurs when you have SEX. For so it said of Shechem here:

And his soul was drawn to Dinah the daughter of Jacob. He loved the young woman and spoke tenderly to her. ~Genesis 34:3

When you have sex you are made ONE with a portion of the spirit in THAT union. This is the marriage. This is what happened to Shechem and Dinah it cannot be denied. He was married to her and loved her. This is the POWER that is within the word of God. It is describing REALITY.

Now, whether or not the POLITICS allowed Shechem and Dinah to remain together has nothing to do with what God just did between them. And it has nothing to do with what God does when we share that love with another person. We have opened ourselves up and made ourselves ONE with this person and that CANNOT be reversed.

ALL the decisions and politics of whether their marriage is accepted is ALL a matter of sin and the hardness of heart. If things are done as they should be then we will not be bonded together in ways that we cannot stay together in life. This is why Yahshua said,

"Let not man separate what God has brought together."

There is a spiritual bond in sex and that is the marriage. The politics of the day can utterly refuse this but it was NEVER meant to be so.

Therefore, just as Christ revealed this spiritual truth to the people in his day, that "from the beginning it was not so" so also do I reveal to you all that from the beginning marriage is the fleshly union designed by God and that because of your hardness of heart these things CAN be separated by man. But may it not be so!

Lastly, if it is truly fundamental then God himself would regard it as such and he does. We are invited to the marriage SUPPER of the Lamb: NOT the marriage.

And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.” ~Revelation 19:9

Kevin Snow said:

And his soul was drawn to Dinah the daughter of Jacob. He loved the young woman and spoke tenderly to her. ~Genesis 34:3

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well....you tried.

"his soul was drawn to Dinah"...yeah, clearly he was attracted to her since he saw her and had the urge to make love to her on the spot. doesn't make for a proclamation of them being married at that moment. that's your claim which you have to prove from the text.

you do understand that if the 'politics of the day' didn't allow for this now married couple to be together, they would be forcing these two to commit adultery. they would need to remain single for the rest of their lives because getting married and consummating it with someone else would be a violation of the first allaged marriage covenant. that would be "separating what God has brought together".

THE W said:

well....you tried.

"his soul was drawn to Dinah"...yeah, clearly he was attracted to her since he saw her and had the urge to make love to her on the spot. doesn't make for a proclamation of them being married at that moment. that's your claim which you have to prove from the text.

you do understand that if the 'politics of the day' didn't allow for this now married couple to be together, they would be forcing these two to commit adultery. they would need to remain single for the rest of their lives because getting married and consummating it with someone else would be a violation of the first allaged marriage covenant. that would be "separating what God has brought together".

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This is spiritually discerned. It's not about what man establishes but about what God establishes. The marriage occurs in the fleshly union. It's what God does, not what man does.

You are exactly right. You can only truly marry once. Everything else is adultery. That's how it is in the eyes of God. If you took it seriously then you wouldn't have made the mistakes you did. I think that's how all sin is. We really don't understand how we can't reverse the things we do.

But God is able. In God, he makes all things new.

Adi-Buddha said:

Regarding your comment about the marriage, I fully agree with it -- A married person should not fornicate. But I am a single man, and never had sex with a married woman, although I was tempted to on several occasions. But I stayed away from this sin. However, I am a single man, and I dated single women.

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Fornication is sex outside of marriage, meaning if you're single and have sex with another single person, its fornication.
If a married woman has sex with you and she's not your spouse, even though you're single, you've both committed adultery because you have both trespassed the covenant of marriage.

Nicolaus Mourer said:

Fornication is sex outside of marriage, meaning if you're single and have sex with another single person, its fornication.
If a married woman has sex with you and she's not your spouse, even though you're single, you've both committed adultery because you have both trespassed the covenant of marriage.

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Simply put, if you're having sex with anyone other than your wife, you're committing sin.

Sanoy said:

I'd really like to get an opinion from someone who knows Greek, but at least from my nonprofessional observation the word husband is actually the Greek word for man, and that the translation to "husband" is at the discretion of the translator via context.

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You are correct. The passage uses "man" (anēr), but in the "stand by your man" sense which usually means "husband." An accurate translation would be:

Jesus said to her, “Go, call your man, and come back here.” The woman answered him, “I have no man.” Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say, ‘I have no man’; for you have had five men, and the one you have now is not your man. What you have said is true.”

It's not totally clear whether this woman was legally married to the "five men" (probably she was), but she certainly is not married to her current man. She is likely mistress to a married man.

1st.. we are gong to do what we want to do..for the most part.. THEN we might wonder how does GOD feel about this. Now.. a man shall leave his parents and the woman shall leave her parents and they will come together and become one. And lol there no such thing as birth control with the Father. Just what does that birth control do? Hurt kill destroy ANYTHING? Or protect one from? If its not a SIN..then why would one try to protect oneself? From what? If I never been with anyone else..nor the woman I wanted to marry.. yeah.. NOTHING has to be protected.. yet.. the world that obeys follows not God.. has to protect from something that NEVER came from God.. the COST for doing sin.

The word said .. in short.. if you can not ..restrain your self..then finding a woman getting married is the answer. There is NO verse that says its OK to sleep around..have sex when and if you want it. OT before the LAW is one thing. If one truly wanted to know.. ask the Father of our lord Jesus Christ.. HE IS REAL!

Now... to be blind as Christ said one would have no sin. But to now hear the truth and then keep going.. the price for sin is death in this world. The wages of sin is death. We can say ..nope its not sin all we want.. we can say.. nope I dont believe that.. or thats YOUR God not mine.. truth is truth.. and CHRIST IS. And when we know hear the truth to then keep sinning.. we will be hit with the price..unless we repent and do a 180. Or.. be willing to take the price and when it comes.. its NOT what we expected.

Adi-Buddha said:

The New Testament was first written in Greek and the Greek word for fornication used is ‘inappropriate contenteia’ meaning sexual immorality.

Therefore, the word fornication in the Bible is used to either mean sexual immorality or idolatry.

Sexual immorality covers all illicit or unlawful sex (sex which does not conform to accepted morals). This includes adultery, homosexuality, inappropriate behavior with animals, incest, sexual intercourse with false gods, prostitution or harlotry, whoremongering, etc.
http://www.christiantruthcenter.com/what-the-bible-teaches-about-fornication/

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Point taken, but only because of 1 Corinthians 5. Unlawful sex is sex** with anyone other than your wife. Beyond that, I don't understand what your point even is. You cannot justify pre-marital sex from the Bible, and if you try to do so, you are condemning yourself.

ubicaritas said:

I'm serious. That kind of mentality is a good way to set yourself up with sexual dysfunction and a joyless marriage, if you think somehow your spouse isn't entitled to the same human imperfections everybody else has.

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I was a bit snarky, thinking of the literal interpretation of the idea of everyone being in the bed, but also serious at the non-literal idea not having a downside. It's not a bad thing as every one of the sexual encounters I have had contained something to be learned in it and allow us to both be better more considerate, lovers. Granted my perspective may be a bit skewed as I don't have an appreciable amount of regret associate with my sexual history.