The 3rd seal is about 7 years of famine all over the world

iamlamad · Mar 8, 2018

Riberra said:
Yet Revelation 16:6 set up the definition of Saints ----The SAINTS Like the OT Prophets have their blood that have been poured out.
Revelation 16:6
for they poured out the blood of the saints and the prophets, and blood hast thou given them to drink: they are worthy.

Alive and REMAIN -----The Believers alive and REMAIN UNTO 1 Thessalonians 4:15 KJV the Coming of Jesus in the CLOUDS =Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus is Coming in the CLOUDS.
1 Thessalonians 4:15
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we that are Alive and REMAIN UNTO The COMING of the Lord, shall in no wise precede them that are fallen asleep.

You are not more worthy than the 12 Apostles ----who have been slain for their testimony of Jesus [Revelation 6:9-11]

What righteous acts have you done lately ...apart from watching TV and eating potato chips and drinking cola...and wishing very hard to be taken to Heaven while you are alive?

When someone chooses one verse out of many for a definition, I know they are not doing due diligence on exegesis.

There is no such thing as one New Testament believer being "more worthy" than any other. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ and all are joint heirs with Jesus Christ.

Riberra · Mar 8, 2018

R. Hartono said:
Its surely not enough place if they are placed under your table, but the numbers of those martyrs under the Altar, even God knew be4 the world is created.

The SOULS of the martyrs that John saw under the Altar of God in Heaven were the SOULS of the first Christians martyrs like the 12Apostles...

iamlamad · Mar 8, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Prior to C.I. Scofields reference bible 1909, your teaching of of pre-trib rapture was in the vast

"Minority"

Its a new doctrine, John N. Darby plymouth brethren 1830's and C.I. Scofield 1909 are the propaganda promoters.

Sorta at the same time as American Mormonism, Jehovahs Witnesses, And 7th day Adventism.

Was salvation by faith alone a "new doctrine" when Martin Luther began teaching it? It had not been hear for hundreds of years! But was it "NEW?" No, Paul wrote it!

And Paul wrote of a pretrib rapture. Is it therefore "new?" Not a chance: it is almost 2000 years old now.

iamlamad · Mar 8, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
No such thing as a pre-trib rapture of the church, a teaching in error of God's truth.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is the dispy claim of a pretrib rapture, you will closely note the "Resurrection" of the dead in Christ.

John 6:40 clearly teaches the dead in Christ are "Resurrected" on "The Last Day".

As scripture clearly teaches, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 below is the second coming of Jesus Christ, and the Last Day resurrection of the believers.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

John 6:40KJV
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

You can replay this same post over and over; it will still not be truth. We know better. A snow job" will not work here. God will indeed raise up the Old Testament saints on the "last day," but those in Christ will be raised 7 plus years before this.

iamlamad · Mar 8, 2018

R. Hartono said:
Its surely not enough place if they are placed under your table, but the numbers of those martyrs under the Altar, even God knew be4 the world is created.

God never said they were REMAIN under the altar! Then, around 95 AD, there was a small number.

iamlamad · Mar 8, 2018

R. Hartono said:
Those who refuse to worship the beast in the tribulation shall be beheaded but they shall be resurrected be4 Jesus's Millennium.
If you're left behind, your last chance for Salvation is to put your head under the guillotine.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 20:4...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

PREACH IT, Hartono! For the readers, this is truth!

iamlamad · Mar 8, 2018

keras said:
I repeat: saying that just because people believe we will remain on earth, we will get beaten up during the Great Trib: that is wrong and contradicts Bible teaching of how the Lord will protect His own.

So go ahead and show us a verse about this protection that pertains to the days of great tribulation. In fact, there are two verses that explain it: both say the saints will be overcome.

iamlamad · Mar 8, 2018

Riberra said:
You forget
Revelation 19:8 who give more details about the wife :
Revelation 19:8
8 And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, WHITE [and] pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

for the fine linen WHITE and pure is the righteous acts of the saints.

The wife is wearing white clothing like those who have been SLAIN for their testimony of Jesus Revelation 6:9-11...The great crowd to large to number are also wearing white robes -they came out of great tribulation [they died martyrs] Revelation 7:13-14...they have died martyrs like the 12 Apostles ...

Revelation 7:13-14
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, These that are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and whence came they?

14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come of great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Extrapolation gone wild! Angels wear white robes (at times). Are they also "saints?"

iamlamad · Mar 8, 2018

R. Hartono said:
Are you the type of Bridegroom who will let your Bride beaten black and blue and then beheaded first be4 marriage ?

The martyrs beheaded in tribulation will not be resurrected until the end of the 7 years of tribulation and they will miss the wedding of the Lamb because they shall be put under the altar.

THE GREAT MULTITUDE of Rev 7 are the Bride who are taken alive to get married.
Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a GREAT MULTITUDE, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Where do you get this? They were SEEN under the altar in John's vision, but there is no verse saying they will STAY there for 2000 years. And there is no verse telling us they will miss the wedding.

iamlamad · Mar 8, 2018

Riberra said:
Yes,God will take vengeance upon those who poured out the blood of the Saints and the Prophets ....

Revelation 16:6
for they poured out the blood of the saints and the prophets, and blood hast thou given them to drink: they are worthy.

The Saints like the Prophets have been killed ----their blood have been poured out...That is what differentiate a SAINT and a Prophet from the ordinary believers who have died from natural death...

Lamad think that every believers are SAINTS.... Every believers are saved our names is written in the Book of Life [Revelation 20:15] ----but not every believers will be part of the First Resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 which is the reward of the Saints Martyrs and those [the believers ] still alive and remain who have not taken the mark nor worshiped the beast or his image....The twelve apostles will sit on twelve thrones Judging the twelve tribes of Israel Matthew 19:28....the others will be Kings and Priests of Jesus during the millennium Revelation 20:4-6.

More sloppy exegesis, and cherry picking scriptures.

Ephesians 4:12 [Full Chapter]
for the training of the saints in the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,

Are these saints dead? Maybe you should stand in a cemetery and teach the dead saints!

Riberra · Mar 8, 2018

R. Hartono said:
I urge everybody to review this very important video as the TIME IS SHORT. This Jubilee Year 5777 will end next week 16 March 2018.

The time is short for WHAT ?What is suppose to happen if you are still there AFTER 16 March 2018 ?

R. Hartono said:
You are not the Bride if you're leftbehind, beaten black and blue then beheaded.

Then be prepare to get your head chopped off ...because there is no mention in the Bible that Jesus will come before the Tribulation ...

Your dream of the wise virgins being taken to Heaven while the rest of the Church will go into the Tribulation come from a Satanic vision that a young girl named Margaret Mac Donald had on her sick bed in 1830 who have been recuperated and promoted by your messiah John Nelson Darby...

iamlamad · Mar 8, 2018

keras said:
Jesus will remain in heaven until He Returns, as described in Revelation 19:11-16.
Although many translation have the Lord 'coming' in wrath, it is clear from prophesies like Amos 1 and Psalms 11:4-6, He sends His fiery wrath upon the earth. And everyone alive at that time will experience it. Luke 21:34-35

Re; those 'mansions' of John 14:1-3. Yes, they are being prepared in heaven. We are told exactly when they will come to the earth; Revelation 21:1-2

We are also told when WE will go to the mansions. It is too bad you don't see it.

Riberra · Mar 8, 2018

iamlamad said:
We are also told when WE will go to the mansions. It is too bad you don't see it.

Revelation 3:12-13 tell us that only those who OVERCOME will have access to New Jerusalem when New Jerusalem the City of God will come down out of Heaven to the Earth...which refer to Revelation 21.

Revelation 3:12-13
12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.

Confirmed in Revelation 21:7

7 He that overcometh shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Riberra · Mar 8, 2018

iamlamad said:
Extrapolation gone wild! Angels wear white robes (at times). Are they also "saints?"

There is a specific mention about the great crowd to large to number wearing WHITE ROBES that John saw before the Throne of God in Heaven
Revelation 7:13-14
14These are they that come of great tribulation

----->What tribulation can be greater than being martyred to death ?

Riberra · Mar 8, 2018

iamlamad said:
More sloppy exegesis, and cherry picking scriptures.

Ephesians 4:12 [Full Chapter]
for the training of the saints in the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,

Are these saints dead? Maybe you should stand in a cemetery and teach the dead saints!

Ephesians 4:11-13
11 And He personally gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, 12 for the training of the saints in the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ, 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God’s Son, growing into a mature man with a stature measured by Christ’s fullness.

All those mentioned in the passage have ended SAINTS MARTYRS ...

-The OT PROPHETS have been killed in Jerusalem.

-The 12 Apostles have ended martyrs and all those who were caught preaching the Gospel during the First Century have ended Martyrs for their testimony of Jesus and the Word of God..
Revelation 6:9-11
9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 and they cried with a great voice, saying, How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

They are waiting for this: Revelation 16 --->That God avenge the Blood of ALL the SAINTS MARTYRS...

Revelation 16:6
6 for they poured out the blood of the saints and the prophets, and blood hast thou given them to drink: they are worthy.

keras · Mar 8, 2018

iamlamad said:
So go ahead and show us a verse about this protection that pertains to the days of great tribulation. In fact, there are two verses that explain it: both say the saints will be overcome.

Yes Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7 both tell us that the holy people of the Most High will be conquered by the Anti-Christ. Daniel 11:29-31, Zechariah 14:1
But we see in Daniel 11:32 that the Lord's people, every faithful Christian will split into two groups; ones who 'violate the Covenant with God and those who remain faithful to God.
This split is confirmed by Zechariah 14:2 and Revelation 12:6 and 17, where the first group must remain in the holy Land, but the faithful ones leave, God takes them to a place of safety on earth.
Note: that only the Christians mentioned in Rev 12:17 will face persecution.

Note well, too; that this truth of what will happen is a total refutation of the 'rapture to heaven' theory. This fanciful idea will never happen, Jesus said so: John 3:13 You say it's Paul's teaching - where does Paul say that Christians will go to heaven before facing any trials?

iamlamad said:
We are also told when WE will go to the mansions. It is too bad you don't see it.

I see what the Bible tell us quite well.
John 14:3 does not say that when Jesus Returns, we go the heaven to live in those 'mansions'. We will go to where His is, that will be in Jerusalem. And that is where John sees the vast multitude in Revelation 7:9

iamlamad · Mar 8, 2018

Riberra said:
Revelation 3:12-13 tell us that only those who OVERCOME will have access to New Jerusalem when New Jerusalem the City of God will come down out of Heaven to the Earth...which refer to Revelation 21.

Revelation 3:12-13
12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.

Confirmed in Revelation 21:7

7 He that overcometh shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

John 14 tells us Jesus will take US to the mansions a thousand plus years before the Holy City will come down.

iamlamad · Mar 8, 2018

keras said:
Yes Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7 both tell us that the holy people of the Most High will be conquered by the Anti-Christ. Daniel 11:29-31, Zechariah 14:1
But we see in Daniel 11:32 that the Lord's people, every faithful Christian will split into two groups; ones who 'violate the Covenant with God and those who remain faithful to God.
This split is confirmed by Zechariah 14:2 and Revelation 12:6 and 17, where the first group must remain in the holy Land, but the faithful ones leave, God takes them to a place of safety on earth.
Note: that only the Christians mentioned in Rev 12:17 will face persecution.

Note well, too; that this truth of what will happen is a total refutation of the 'rapture to heaven' theory. This fanciful idea will never happen, Jesus said so: John 3:13 You say it's Paul's teaching - where does Paul say that Christians will go to heaven before facing any trials?

I see what the Bible tell us quite well.
John 14:3 does not say that when Jesus Returns, we go the heaven to live in those 'mansions'. We will go to where His is, that will be in Jerusalem. And that is where John sees the vast multitude in Revelation 7:9

Sorry, Daniel 11:32 is about HISTORY: what the Jews did during the days of the Maccabees.
You sure have things mixed up!

Riberra · Mar 8, 2018

iamlamad said:
John 14 tells us Jesus will take US to the mansions a thousand plus years before the Holy City will come down.

You have obviously missed some details that Jesus have given LATER to JOHN in Revelation....
That reward is for those who OVERCOME ...Jesus will write their names of propriety ...then we will inherit it in due time...

Revelation 3:12
12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

Revelation 21:7
7 He that overcometh shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

seventysevens · Mar 8, 2018

To overcome means to overcome whatever holds you back or prevents you from serving God totally in this world - some believers accept Jesus then fall back into drug abuse or alcoholism , to others it is fornication or homosexuality , and the things that Jesus stated outright that he holds against those in chap 2 and 3 -accepting Christ as savoir for a few years then falling back into serving false gods is not being an overcomer

-turning your life around and serving God with all your heart , mind and soul is being an overcomer - if you hold fast onto Him and do not forsake Him -He will not forsake you

Riberra said:
You have obviously missed some details that Jesus have given LATER to JOHN in Revelation....
That reward is for those who OVERCOME ...Jesus will write their names of propriety ...then we will inherit it in due time...

Revelation 3:12
12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

Revelation 21:7
7 He that overcometh shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

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