The 3rd seal is about 7 years of famine all over the world

[iamlamad]

You have obviously missed some details that Jesus have given LATER to JOHN in Revelation....
That reward is for those who OVERCOME ...Jesus will write their names of propriety ...then we will inherit it in due time...

Revelation 3:12
12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

Revelation 21:7
7 He that overcometh shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Simple: amazing you miss these things: those that are left behind MUST overcome or be lost. The church - the body of Christ on earth have already overcome - when we were born again.

 

[R. Hartono]

Where do you get this? They were SEEN under the altar in John's vision, but there is no verse saying they will STAY there for 2000 years. And there is no verse telling us they will miss the wedding.

The martyrs under the altar are not the great multitude (the bride) who are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb, the martyrs are the foolish virgins left behind who take the second chance in tribulation by refusing to worship the beast.

Here, the great multitude (the bride) are having the supper of the Lamb, but the martyrs are not yet resurrected.
Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a GREAT MULTITUDE,
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb

Those under the altar will be resurrected after Jesus and His army finish the Supper and return to defeat the antichrist at Armageddon battle, after the antichrist and the devil is removed.


1 Cor 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?

 

[R. Hartono]

14These are they that come of great tribulation
What tribulation can be greater than being martyred to death

If thats so it will write : These are they that DIED in great tribulation,
not they COME OF great tribulation.

 

[Riberra]

Simple: amazing you miss these things: those that are left behind MUST overcome or be lost. The church - the body of Christ on earth have already overcome - when we were born again.

Overcome until your death ...it does not no matter if it is from natural death or under torture like the Apostles ...you will not receive the rewards before being judged...

Revelation 20:15
15 And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27
25 And the gates thereof shall in no wise be shut by day (for there shall be no night there): 26 and they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it: 27 and there shall in no wise enter into it anything unclean, or he that maketh an abomination and a lie: but only they that are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Matthew 24:13
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 

[Riberra]

To overcome means to overcome whatever holds you back or prevents you from serving God totally in this world - some believers accept Jesus then fall back into drug abuse or alcoholism , to others it is fornication or homosexuality , and the things that Jesus stated outright that he holds against those in chap 2 and 3 -accepting Christ as savoir for a few years then falling back into serving false gods is not being an overcomer

-turning your life around and serving God with all your heart , mind and soul is being an overcomer - if you hold fast onto Him and do not forsake Him -He will not forsake you

That is the point exactly OVERCOME until your death ---it does not no matter if it is from natural death or under torture like the Apostles ....you will not receive the rewards before being judged... Revelation 20:15 ---- Revelation 21:27

Revelation 20:15
15 And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27
27 and there shall in no wise enter into it anything unclean, or he that maketh an abomination and a lie: but only they that are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[iamlamad]

The martyrs under the altar are not the great multitude (the bride) who are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb, the martyrs are the foolish virgins left behind who take the second chance in tribulation by refusing to worship the beast.

Here, the great multitude (the bride) are having the supper of the Lamb, but the martyrs are not yet resurrected.
Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a GREAT MULTITUDE,
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb

Those under the altar will be resurrected after Jesus and His army finish the Supper and return to defeat the antichrist at Armageddon battle, after the antichrist and the devil is removed.


1 Cor 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?

Readers, this is all total MYTH from human reasoning. There is nothing it scripture to even hint of such a thing. By the time of the marriage and supper, all who will take part in the first resurrection will already have been resurrected. Some will be the bride, while others will be guests.

Finally, the martyrs are VERY MUCH A PART OF THE BRIDE: they just arrived in heaven a little sooner. They will be caught up with the REST of the Dead in Christ.

 

[iamlamad]

If thats so it will write : These are they that DIED in great tribulation,
not they COME OF great tribulation.

Ha ha! Very good observation!

 

[Riberra]

If thats so it will write : These are they that DIED in great tribulation,
not they COME OF great tribulation.

If they had been raptured before ----it would be written: These are those who were so worthy that they were spared tribulation....they were taken out of the Earth.

 

[seventysevens]

That is the point exactly OVERCOME until your death.

Wrong ! totally false ,, as you tell it even if a person overcomes they will still be beheaded , totally whacked out false , Scripture tells it plain that there are a few country's that are not impacted by the Man of sin AC , but you don't know this ? Why Not ? Not everyone dies as you fictitiously teach

 

[Riberra]

Wrong ! totally false ,, as you tell it even if a person overcomes they will still be beheaded , totally whacked out false , Scripture tells it plain that there are a few country's that are not impacted by the Man of sin AC , but you don't know this ? Why Not ? Not everyone dies as you fictitiously teach

Revelation 13:15
15 And it was given [unto him] to give breath to it, [even] to the image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Revelation 20:4-6

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that had been BEHEADED for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[R. Hartono]

Overcome until your death ..

You are the type of Bridegroom who will let your bride beaten black and blue for 7 years then beheaded and then you will marry her.

The Lamb will take the wise virgins alive and sound to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

 

[R. Hartono]

Readers, this is all total MYTH from human reasoning.

No need to notify readers of your theory.
Read Rev 19&20 once again, the Bride /the great multitude gets married first and then return to follow Jesus to Armageddon battle and then the Millennium will start with resurrection of those under the altar.

Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a GREAT MULTITUDE,
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb..

 

[seventysevens]

Overcome until your death ...it does not no matter if it is from natural death or under torture like the Apostles ...you will not receive the rewards before being judged...

You continue to be very selective on what scriptures you include and exclude to build your fable doctrine , the scriptures gives the names of the countries that are not affected by the coming AC Man of sin - as I told you , but instead of taking a few minutes to research who that is you continue on with your misunderstandings . Your downfall is you don't study anything other than what you prefer to be instead of accepting all scripture together

another clue for you Watson

There is a bit of dual meaning but not focus on that and just read it as it is written in plain sense


5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.
6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.

Learn who it is that will fly to a place prepared for her in the wilderness out of the serpents reach - the serpent is not able to reach her, you cannot cut peoples head off if you cannot reach her

 

[Riberra]

You continue to be very selective on what scriptures you include and exclude to build your fable doctrine , the scriptures gives the names of the countries that are not affected by the coming AC Man of sin - as I told you , but instead of taking a few minutes to research who that is you continue on with your misunderstandings . Your downfall is you don't study anything other than what you prefer to be instead of accepting all scripture together

another clue for you Watson

There is a bit of dual meaning but not focus on that and just read it as it is written in plain sense


5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.
6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.

Learn who it is that will fly to a place prepared for her in the wilderness out of the serpents reach - the serpent is not able to reach her, you cannot cut peoples head off if you cannot reach her

Ho the WOMAN ----a group of Israelite ---those in Jerusalem who have given glory to God after that they have seen the two witnesses ascending to Heaven at the end of the 6Th Trumpet events [Second Woe] Revelation 11:7-14


Yes ..that is talking about a GROUP who will be on the EARTH ..who will be under God's protection ...

 

[seventysevens]

Yes ..that is talking about a GROUP who will be on the EARTH ..who will be under God's protection ...

Yep it will be a Large very Large group of people in the 10's of thousands at least,-- that's not the full best answer as it is somewhat lacking - but will suffice - you still need to look up the further details -

 

[Riberra]

Yep it will be a Large very Large group of people in the 10's of thousands at least,-- that's not the full best answer as it is somewhat lacking - but will suffice - you still need to look up the further details -

If you live in Jerusalem when that will happen [Revelation 11:7-14]you may have a chance to flee in the wilderness with them Revelation 12:6...

If not: then the Devil Revelation 12:17 and the Beast/AC[Revelation 13:5-7] and the False Prophet [Revelation 13:15] and their minions will get you, one way or another...during the 42 months reign of the Beast/AC.

Revelation 13:15
15 And it was given [unto him] to give breath to it, [even] to the image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; 17 and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, [even] the name of the beast or the number of his name.

 

[seventysevens]

If you live in Jerusalem when that will happen [Revelation 11:7-14]you may have a chance to flee in the wilderness with them Revelation 12:6...

You still don't know where the the AC does not have power in the land
You miss the premise on which the entire bible is founded on which includes dozens of scriptures that tell us that Jesus is telling us that if we follow him he will keep us out from the wrath , but due to how people get taught they get a incorrect understanding- simple example the harpazo has been taught since Paul wrote it , but it was not until St Jerome translated harpazo in bible into latin and he used a latin verb root of rapio rapiemur , then in about the 17th century the Protestant church translated rapiemur into an English word rapture - and because that word was not used or taught prior to the Protestant church -some people who have been indoctrinated into another view try to suppose and push that the teaching of the rapture started during the 17th century which is false and easy to clear up but since they are indoctrinated they refuse to truly study and learn the true origin
Your view that everyone will die during the rule of the AC makes no sense at all . if everyone was killed by the AC -there would be no one left for God to take his wrath upon and there would be no one to start the new generation of people that live during the 1000 years - in addition to that you are saying that God would be putting His wrath upon the very people who love Jesus and turned to him for refuge and you say they will be killed by either the AC or Jesus =- where the truth is that the fact that Jesus say outright to those that love him should look forward to His coming - In your view the people who are told they should be looking up to heaven to know and see that their death is at hand - very far from what Jesus actually says

But that is the flawed teaching that comes from people who only accept that which they prefer and ignore much of scripture so they can push their own view

 

[Riberra]

You still don't know where the the AC does not have power in the land

Dare to tell us which countries will avoid to be forced to worship the Beast and be forced to take the mark ?

Revelation 13:3-7 --- Revelation 13:15 is clear that the Beast AC will have authority over every countries on the Earth.

Revelation 13:7
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.

Revelation 13:3-10
3 And [I saw] one of his heads as though it had been smitten unto death; and his death-stroke was healed: and the whole earth wondered after the beast; 4 and they worshipped the dragon, because he gave his authority unto the beast; and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? And who is able to war with him?

5 and there was given to him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and there was given to him authority to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth for blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, [even] them that dwell in the heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.

8 And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, [every one] whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.

9 If any man hath an ear, let him hear.

10 If any man [is] for captivity, into captivity he goeth: if any man shall kill with the sword, with the sword must he be killed. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Revelation 13:15
15 And it was given [unto him] to give breath to it, [even] to the image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

You miss the premise on which the entire bible is founded on which includes dozens of scriptures that tell us that Jesus is telling us that if we follow him he will keep us out from the wrath ,

We are not appointed to GOD'S WRATH
GOD WRATH will be poured out upon those who will have taken the mark....and who will have worshiped the Beast and his image [Revelation 16]
Revelation 16:1-2
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple, saying to the seven angels, Go ye, and pour out the seven bowls of the wrath of God into the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his bowl into the earth; and it became a noisome and grievous sore upon the men that had the mark of the beast, and that worshipped his image.

but due to how people get taught they get a incorrect understanding- simple example the harpazo has been taught since Paul wrote it , but it was not until St Jerome translated harpazo in bible into latin and he used a latin verb root of rapio rapiemur , then in about the 17th century the Protestant church translated rapiemur into an English word rapture - and because that word was not used or taught prior to the Protestant church -some people who have been indoctrinated into another view try to suppose and push that the teaching of the rapture started during the 17th century which is false and easy to clear up but since they are indoctrinated they refuse to truly study and learn the true origin

Harpazo = Caught up in the CLOUDS to MEET The LORD IN THE AIR UNTO HIS COMING .... NOTHING IN THE TEXT of 1 Thess 4:13-17 ABOUT A 7 YEARS TRIP TO HEAVEN .

Your view that everyone will die during the rule of the AC makes no sense at all . if everyone was killed by the AC -there would be no one left for God to take his wrath upon

I have never said that everyone will be killed ....It is written that those who will refuse to worship the beast and will refuse to take his mark will be killed during the 42 months reign of the Beast.
Revelation 13:15
15 And it was given [unto him] to give breath to it, [even] to the image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

 

[keras]

You miss the premise on which the entire bible is founded on which includes dozens of scriptures that tell us that Jesus is telling us that if we follow him he will keep us out from the wrath , but due to how people get taught they get a incorrect understanding- simple example the harpazo has been taught since Paul wrote it ,

WHAT?????
The premise of the whole Bible is for our salvation. Also how we should live a righteous life.

You say; if we follow Jesus, He will keep us from the wrath to come.
Firstly, the Bible clearly states He will do that by His protection, NOT by removal.
Then; what about those who have followed Jesus and have been martyred? That's happening even today, why do you think you can be exempted?

Paul never wrote that God intends to take His people to heaven. You exhibit a failure to read even simple scriptures properly, all are colored by your fixation of a rapture. You and the millions who have fallen for the 'rapture to heaven' lie, are soon to be shocked when it doesn't happen and you face the great testing time, without being prepared for it.

 

[seventysevens]

WHAT?????
The premise of the whole Bible is for our salvation. Also how we should live a righteous life.

You say; if we follow Jesus, He will keep us from the wrath to come.
Firstly, the Bible clearly states He will do that by His protection, NOT by removal.
Then; what about those who have followed Jesus and have been martyred? That's happening even today, why do you think you can be exempted?

Paul never wrote that God intends to take His people to heaven. You exhibit a failure to read even simple scriptures properly, all are colored by your fixation of a rapture. You and the millions who have fallen for the 'rapture to heaven' lie, are soon to be shocked when it doesn't happen and you face the great testing time, without being prepared for it.

The failure is all yours for not showing just one scripture that states plainly that people who have accepted salvation BEFORE the GT happens will be involved in it at all
You fail and will always fail because there is NO such scripture and NO such scripture teaching ANYWHERE AT ALL IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE!!
You and riberra spend all of your time ALL of it doing nothing more than attacking the brethren you don't agree with and NEVER prove your view valid!!
Your tactics are very weak as your have no proof and have no case
your entire case is based on assumptions trying to say that Paul means something other than what he says
There
Your entire method is the adage of tearing down your brethren in the attempt to lift yourself up - but you have always failed and will always fail because what you teach is total nonsense

The premise is salvation and Jesus tells you point blank flat out that if you accept Him He will keep will you out of the GT , he will keep you out of His wrath - you follow foolish teachings and have just arrogance to attack people when they don't agree with you

Be a Godly man and just prove your case without trying to tear down the brethren --

You can't because you have no truth