What is the attitude towards transgender people in the Christian Church?

Goatee said:

Pure rubbish.

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Which bit is rubbish... that gender genetic anomalies dont exist or that they ard possessed by satan

Dave RP said:

I have to say that no one in their right minds would reject that gift, it would be completely stupid to do so.

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So you have come to understand and have said.

Dave RP said:

The difference between believers and me is that i just don't see any evidence that this gift has been offered to me.

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Are you human? If you answer yes then our Father loves you. You have not understood this. You do not acknowledge His love.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting lfe.

It says whosoever, this means you too. Lord Jesus does not speak lies.As I have written in earlier posts, the gift is to all who would believe.

Dave RP said:

The bible is a series of stories, all written by humans (from my perspective) and I see no more reason to believe that book is divinely inspired that the koran, the hindu vedas, the book of mormon or any other sacred books of the numerous world religions. I fully understand that this condemns me in christian doctrine but I cannot force myself to believe something I consider to be unbelievable. I do not despise the gift, or toss it into the trash (rubbish being the correct English word!) nor do I believe it to be worthless, I just don't believe I have been offered it.

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You can trust the scripture.

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Dave RP said:

When I die, if I'm stood in front of Jesus I will say I'm sorry, I just never got it, but now I see it is true, I am ready to go along with it. Does that make any sense?

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And He will say to you,
Matt. 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

That is if you continue in your unbelief.But today is the day of salvation, so please do not harden your heart. In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth I offer the gift of salvation to you DaveRP. .Now you cannot say the gift has not been offered to you personally.

Unveiled Artist said:

The first part how does that relate to transgender (specifically)?

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Do you understand English?
Do you understand what everybody means? That is how it relates.

Unveiled Artist said:

The second, is discrimination a part of the christian faith?

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It is scripture.

Dave RP said:

I ask this because I went with a friend to a church recently and the sermon was on "Is gender fluid".

The Vicar was arguing from a Christian perspective that there are only 2 genders made by god and that people who feel they are the other gender or who have a genetic problem requiring gender re-alignment should accept themselves as god made them and not receive any treatment.

he al;so was appalled that the Church of England is considering bringing in prayers to welcome newly gender reassigned individuals to the church.

His stance felt to me to be very un-Christian, I wondered what others felt.

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The issue and I dont understand this either is that gender and sex are two different things. So, if I right now changed my sex, Id still be a woman by gender. Although my sex would be changed, my mind-what makes me a woman and not a man mentally is not dependent on one's sex.

As a result, in many cultures and countries when one identifies their sex with their gender anything deviating outiside the "common norm" is not healthy kr adnormal or sick. Its all throughout history. Im sure if there wasnt bias of how people are supposed to be then transgeder wouldnt feel pushed to change their sex because of societal views. Theyd be accepted how they are and for some not all how they want their body to be: their gender and sex related to each other just as mine is and other non-trangender individuals.

However, if a person is not educated to know the difference between sex and gender, I learned this almost recently, people attack the person. Its also based on the word. If I said I were transgender youd guys think Im transexual. Not all transgender want to nor do mw y have gone through sex assignment. Probably those who dont to an extent arent told they are adnormal nor sinners for being a gender not aligned with their sex.

Id say say I hope that the pastor treats all as children of god without focusing on someone sex. We dont do thst with non transgender. Neither male or female does have a point and its very unchristian to look at one's sex when every christian is a child of god. Every.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Do you understand English?
Do you understand what everybody means? That is how it relates.

It is scripture.

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No. I dont. I dont see how the scripture you posted hsve to do with gender disophia. I also have no clue whst youre arguing against. Being on this site doesnt give you an excuse to be rude. Everyone is from all parts of the world use the internet.

Transgender is someone with gender disophia; gender not aligned with sex.

Transexual is someone with their sex aligned with their gender.

Not all trangender are transexuals. Not all transexuals are transgender.

The bible speaks of transexuals not transgender.

Unveiled Artist said:

The issue and I dont understand this either is that gender and sex are two different things. So, if I right now changed my sex, Id still be a woman by gender. Although my sex would be changed, my mind-what makes me a woman and not a man mentally is not dependent on one's sex.

As a result, in many cultures and countries when one identifies their sex with their gender anything deviating outiside the "common norm" is not healthy kr adnormal or sick. Its all throughout history. Im sure if there wasnt bias of how people are supposed to be then transgeder wouldnt feel pushed to change their sex because of societal views. Theyd be accepted how they are and for some not all how they want their body to be: their gender and sex related to each other just as mine is and other non-trangender individuals.

However, if a person is not educated to know the difference between sex and gender, I learned this almost recently, people attack the person. Its also based on the word. If I said I were transgender youd guys think Im transexual. Not all transgender want to nor do mw y have gone through sex assignment. Probably those who dont to an extent arent told they are adnormal nor sinners for being a gender not aligned with their sex.

Id say say I hope that the pastor treats all as children of god without focusing on someone sex. We dont do thst with non transgender. Neither male or female does have a point and its very unchristian to look at one's sex when every christian is a child of god. Every.

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OK,<sigh>. People are not sinners because they are transgender.People are sinners because they are born of the flesh...period.
It is the sad human condition. This is the reason Lord Jesus came! Don't you understand this? All are not children of our Father. That is your error. Until people are born of the Holy Spirit, they are dead in trespasses and sin.
John 1:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Unveiled Artist said:

No. I dont. I dont see how the scripture you posted hsve to do with gender disophia. I also have no clue whst youre arguing against. Being on this site doesnt give you an excuse to be rude. Everyone is from all parts of the world use the internet.

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I was not being rude. I asked if you understood English because I discerned that you did not understand me. Now that you have said you do not understand English, maybe I can communicate with you better. So I will put it another way; The word everybody in my posts means every human regardless of gender. I hope this clarifies what I have posted. If I offended you, it was not my intent.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

OK,<sigh>. People are not sinners because they are transgender.People are sinners because they are born of the flesh...period.
It is the sad human condition. This is the reason Lord Jesus came! Don't you understand this? All are not children of our Father. That is your error. Until people are born of the Holy Spirit, they are dead in trespasses and sin.
John 1:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

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Since the OP is talking of transgender, I agreed that it was unchristian in how he referred to transgender. Also, there is confusion on this thread what is a sin in this subject. Transgender has nothing to do with the act of changing one's sex. Its a sex/gender misalignment. Scripture doesnt differientiate sex and gender proba ly because it wasnt know back then. People thought people with epilepsy had demons in them. Today, five year ago, I found out now its the holy spirit (first hand experience). Personally, I find it weird to place biblical and foriegn culture in time and place those cultural rules do not apply. But specific to the OP, I agree. Im just kinda shocked how the lack of knowledge makes some of us see people one way when, if asked, they think otherwise.

Unveiled Artist said:

English is my first language I just didnt understand how the scripture you posted have to do with gender (going y the OP point) sex, yes, gender no. How is it christian.

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It seems we are still miscommunicating. You seem to think I am referring to a particular sin. I am not. I was referring to the flawed sin nature of all humanity, not any individual sin.
The OP asked if we believed gender was fluid. Here is my answer:

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Lord Jesus left this command:
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

This IMHO does not exclude transgendered people. The flesh is already dead in transgression and sin . It is the soul that needs saving.No, I do not believe gender is fluid. This is a lie of the enemy. But I do believe trans people can hear the Gospel, believe, and be saved.

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I hope you understand my response.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

It seems we are still miscommunicating. You seem to think I am referring to a particular sin. I am not. I was referring to the flawed sin nature of all humanity, not any individual sin.
The OP asked if we believed gender was fluid. Here is my answer:


I hope you understand my response.

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I cant say I agree with the last part. Thats like gender is black and white. We dont say that about skin color; so, the line of thinking baffles me. But I get your point. I have strong views on how minorities are seen especially if that minority comes from a faith that misunderstands them. Its pretty much with a lot of minority issues. We are reinventing the wheel. That, and age as a lot to do with how people express their views. Genuine expression but Im not sure they know how much it hurts people.

Zoii said:

Those with genetic gender dysphoria are not affected by Satan, they have a genetic condition. Id just ask people here to acknowledge that theres a significant proportion of transgender people who are the way they are because of their genetics eg XXY

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That certainly makes sense.

As it is, we have people born (created!) with physical attributes of
both genders (a.k.a. hermaphrodites). If one's actual physical body
can be created transcending genders, it's no stretch to consider that
such transcendence can occur on other levels (mental, spiritual,
biochemical, etc).

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Genesis 1:27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

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And it would seem that reality lines up with that. Some individuals
literally are born male *and* female. All at once. So evidently it's
not always an either/or case across the board. Indeed, scripture
doesn't say that God created man "male *or* female", but "male
*and* female". It's just more obvious in some than in others (see
post 133).


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Zoii said:

Those with genetic gender dysphoria are not affected by Satan, they have a genetic condition. Id just ask people here to acknowledge that theres a significant proportion of transgender people who are the way they are because of their genetics eg XXY

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But if it is genetic (or chromosomal) would it be described as "dysphoria," a mental condition? I don't think so.

I like how people use Statan as a go to card for a cop out card.

Zoii said:

Which bit is rubbish... that gender genetic anomalies dont exist or that they ard possessed by satan

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They dont exist.

Goatee said:

They dont exist.

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Then I recommend you explore the topic. Sex chromosome disorders - Wikipedia

Dave-W said:

But if it is genetic (or chromosomal) would it be described as "dysphoria," a mental condition? I don't think so.

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Sex chromosome disorders - Wikipedia
The gender genetic abnormalities have both a physical and psychological impact

Zoii said:

Then I recommend you explore the topic. Sex chromosome disorders - Wikipedia

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All rubbish