The Bible has prophesied the cashless society

Another Lazarus said:

The Bible has prophesied there will come the time when people will be forced to
leave money and to use the rfid chip implant as "means of payment", people will not be able to buy and sell without it, this is called the MARK OF THE BEAST.

Rev 13:16 He also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,
17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.…







rfid chip will replace the credit card/debit card and the money

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred sixty and six.

C= 3X6 =18
O=15X6=90
M=13X6=78
P=16X6 =96
U=21X6=126
T=20X6=120
E=5X6 = 30
R=18X6=108
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TOTAL=666
666 is the rfid microchip computer

Cattles are chipped to show its owner,
People will be chipped also to show its owner (the devil)

Rev 14:9 ....If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

If people receive the mark during the tribulation, they will be eternally separated from Him.

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Maybe at some point but no normal people will consent to some crazy mutilation. Remember that nearly all dictatorships are started with permission from the public.

It is far more likely that the antichrist will create his own version of Bitcoin and memorize all the private keys.

The original world God created was also cashless.

Everything around Adam and Eve was free to take with no toil attached to it

Anyone else notice that Revelation 13:16-17 doesn't mention a "cashless society"?

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

Anyone else notice that Revelation 13:16-17 doesn't mention a "cashless society"?

-CryptoLutheran

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If it weren't for you, CryptoLutheran, I'd have given up on Christianity a long time ago, dismissing it wholesale as a conglomerate of willfully ignorant, reactionary conspiracy theorists.

DarkSoul999 said:

Maybe at some point but no normal people will consent to some crazy mutilation. Remember that nearly all dictatorships are started with permission from the public.

It is far more likely that the antichrist will create his own version of Bitcoin and memorize all the private keys.

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You're a bit too late to say that, its already out there and in use.
Once it becomes widely available, today's snowflakes will love it, they fall for every deception.

ViaCrucis said:

Anyone else notice that Revelation 13:16-17 doesn't mention a "cashless society"?

-CryptoLutheran

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If you can't see the direct connection between cashless society and Rev13, then maybe look a little closer because its quite clear to me..

Francis Drake said:

If you can't see the direct connection between cashless society and Rev13, then maybe look a little closer because its quite clear to me..

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How close do I need to look in order to see something that's not there?

-CryptoLutheran

I wish religious leaders would conclude that mobile phones are mark of the beast.

Then we could see how many people throw away their religions rather than their mobile phones.

Also China is moving much faster with cashless society than US although they use mobile payments. Think the amounts were like 50 times what US is doing.

This offers great benefits for the state. Tracking and surveillance can be elevated to whole new level.

Also they concluded that without seeing the cash people spending something like 16% more money than if they were actually seeing their money being used. Great for economy.

If we take chip in left hand think that’s ok since revelation says right hand ?

ViaCrucis said:

Anyone else notice that Revelation 13:16-17 doesn't mention a "cashless society"?

-CryptoLutheran

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Yes, I do notice that. So, all we really have to be concerned with is automobile manufacturers.

Big Brother on wheels: Why your car company may know more about you than your spouse.

Another Lazarus said:

The Bible has prophesied there will come the time when people will be forced to
leave money and to use the rfid chip implant as "means of payment", people will not be able to buy and sell without it, this is called the MARK OF THE BEAST.

Rev 13:16 He also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,
17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.…







rfid chip will replace the credit card/debit card and the money

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred sixty and six.

C= 3X6 =18
O=15X6=90
M=13X6=78
P=16X6 =96
U=21X6=126
T=20X6=120
E=5X6 = 30
R=18X6=108
------------+
TOTAL=666
666 is the rfid microchip computer

Cattles are chipped to show its owner,
People will be chipped also to show its owner (the devil)

Rev 14:9 ....If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Do not believe the sweet talking guy, its the invisible devil behind all this.

If people receive the mark during the tribulation, they will be eternally separated from God.

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Good idea in some ways.
but "on" forehead and "on" right hand is not an implant, surely.

How do you get to sleep at night?

Another Lazarus said:

The Bible has prophesied there will come the time when people will be forced to
leave money and to use the rfid chip implant as "means of payment", people will not be able to buy and sell without it, this is called the MARK OF THE BEAST.

Rev 13:16 He also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,
17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.…







rfid chip will replace the credit card/debit card and the money

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred sixty and six.

C= 3X6 =18
O=15X6=90
M=13X6=78
P=16X6 =96
U=21X6=126
T=20X6=120
E=5X6 = 30
R=18X6=108
------------+
TOTAL=666
666 is the rfid microchip computer

Cattles are chipped to show its owner,
People will be chipped also to show its owner (the devil)

Rev 14:9 ....If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Do not believe the sweet talking guy, its the invisible devil behind all this.

If people receive the mark during the tribulation, they will be eternally separated from God.

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Folks, I'm pretty sure that the Mark of the Beast has been around for a very, very long time--like hundreds of years. Everyone's looking for the arrival and implementation of something that's already here, chips or no chips. ...it's called, "the love of money...and sex, and power," which are fascinations that happen all by themselves, no chip implants required.

I doubt that the mark of the beast will be an implanted RFID chip.
The mark is received by who worships the beast, it is / has the number / name of the man of perdition, not your bank account or social security number etcetera.
I have an RFID chip in my bank card. I don't see why implanting it in stead of carrying it in my wallet would suddenly make me a worshipper of the beast.
So i think it's a supernaturally received mark rather than a tiny piece of electronics.

ViaCrucis said:

How close do I need to look in order to see something that's not there?

-CryptoLutheran

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That's a very poor argument!
There are many other things like the Trinity that are not directly there either, yet I presume you can see it?

A healthy concern over the encroachment against individual privacy by states and corporations is reasonable, I think it should make us uncomfortable on the basis of civil liberty and free society.

But going from a healthy concern and discomfort over Big Government and Big Money to wide-eyed conspiracy theory is a leap from reason to paranoid delusion.

There have been myriad economic models throughout human history. Digital currency is no worse than paper currency, and paper currency is no worse than using shiny pieces of metal. The exchange of goods requires some kind of societal acceptance of something; whether it means bartering my three goats for your cow, or giving you an amount of silver which we all agree by consensus has the same value as a cow, or if we say that this number of abstract units units represented by bank notes is the price of a cow. The point is that we all agree that this thing has value of X and that exchanging these things is considered a fair exchange. We happen to be living in a digital age and so currency has predominantly becoming digital. There is nothing inherently evil or sinister about that, no more than any other model of goods exchange that has existed in human society for the last several thousand years.

St. John's Apocalypse says nothing about the use or non-use of "cash". Instead he talks about a figure he calls "the beast", and draws from language familiar to him already to describe a society dominated by "the beast"; the language of a mark or seal upon one's brow and/or right hand has its precedent in the Torah, where God commands His people to have His Torah as a seal upon their foreheads and right hands,

"It shall serve for you as a sign on your hand and as a reminder on your forehead, so that the teaching of the LORD may be on your lips; for with a strong hand the LORD brought you out of Egypt." - Exodus 13:9

"Bind them as a sign on your hand, fix them as an emblem on your forehead, and write them on the doorposts of your house and on your hates." - Deuteronomy 6:8-9

"You shall put these words of Mine in your heart and soul, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and fix them as an emblem on your forehead." - Deuteronomy 11:18

Further, in the text of the Apocalypse itself it presents us with something of an antithesis of this "mark", where it describes God's people being sealed,

"Do not damage the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have marked the servants of our God with a seal on their foreheads." - Revelation 7:3

We have two distinguishing marks, one which designates someone as belonging to God, and another which designates as someone as belonging to the beast. And the two are antithetical to one another.

Note what the text says in Revelation 13:17,

"no one can buy or sell who does not have the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name."

The mark is the name or the number of the name. This has nothing to do with physical marks, like some kind of science fiction chip implant as the OP presents; but has to do with identification with the name of the beast, of belonging to the beast, or even accepting the beast's authority (as "name" often includes the idea of authority).

Again, contrast: "Then I looked, and there was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion! And with Him were one hundred forty-four thousand who had His name and His Father's name written on their foreheads." - Revelation 14:1

Compare: "In Him you also, when you had heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and had believed in Him were marked with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit; this is the pledge of our inheritance toward redemption as God's own people, to the praise of His glory." - Ephesians 1:13-14

There is an intentional contrast between the mark of the beast, having the beast's name; and being sealed by God, having Christ's name.

However else one may want to understand the passage here in the Apocalypse, at the very least let these matters inform that. Instead of going to wild lengths to concoct conspiracy theories, why not make a serious attempt at applying basic hermeneutical principles to at least try and exegete the text in a meaningful and critical way?

-CryptoLutheran

Francis Drake said:

That's a very poor argument!
There are many other things like the Trinity that are not directly there either, yet I presume you can see it?

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I can look and see how the doctrine of the Trinity, as articulated and defined in the historic Creeds and the writings of the fathers is the organic and natural result of biblical and apostolic teaching.

That's a rather poor comparison to make, since there's nothing similar going on here. I can look at Scripture and see where it says that there is only one God. I can look at Scripture and see where God is called Father, where it says the Word was in the beginning with God and is God and became flesh. I can see where Scripture calls Christ "God", saying things like "though being in the form of God did not consider equality with God as something to be exploited" or "in Him is the fullness of Deity in bodily form"; I can see that the Son is not the Father because Jesus speaks of His Father as distinct, and the Father refers to His Son as distinct, Jesus saying "My Father" and the Father saying "My Son"; and likewise I can see where the Spirit is called "Another comforter" and that the Father will send the Spirit, in the name of Christ the Son, so as to be distinct from the Father and the Son, and that nevertheless the Spirit is also God, as we see St. Peter accuse Anias and Sapphira of lying to God when they lied to the Spirit. I can see all this in Scripture, because it's actually there; and that these are the foundational building blocks of Trinitarian dogma as expressed in the writings of the fathers and in the Creeds.

I see absolutely nothing here about a prediction of a "cashless society" in the 13th chapter of St. John's Apocalypse.

-CryptoLutheran

Another Lazarus said:

Cashless society means no paper money, doesnt mean you can buy things without any amount of money in your on line account.

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OK lets assume you are correct on this mark issue.

Question if the chip is the mark of the beast then who is the beast? the person who invented the chip? the person who inserts it? the person who holds you down to insert it? WHO IS THE BEAST?

I prefer Star Trek's prediction of a cashless society better.
The Bible doesn't have enough space ships in it.