Does Israel get taken over again?
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Did you not notice that Daniel himself separated verse 27 from the other verses? In other words, Daniel wrote it with a gap.
24 Seventy weeks...
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,...
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:...
Verse 24: 70 weeks
Verse 25: 7 weeks and 62 weeks or 69 weeks
Verse 26 "after the 7 + 62 weeks" Notice, he could have written, "in the 70th week - but did not. Why? Because the Holy Spirit knew that the 70th week was future.
Does a future 70th week fit with other scriptures? Of course.
Daniel wrote of the last half of this 70th week twice as time, times and the dividing of time, or 3 1/2 years.
John wrote of this same period of time three different ways, with days, with months and will years. In Revelation, the 70th week of Daniel is clearly marked by 7's: the 7th seal opens the week, the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint and the 7th vial ends the week. So from chapter 8 to chapter 16, John expands on the 70th week of Daniel.
Therefore, we conclude that Daniel separated the 70th from the 7 and 62 for a purpose, because this week is still future to us today.
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The antecedents of the "he's" in Daniel 9:27 are Messiah in verses 25 and 26. Therefore all three verses refer to Messiah.
It has been demonstrated from Christ's own words that He fulfilled Daniel 9:24 at His first coming.
Daniel's 70th week encompasses the verses of Daniel 9:24-27.
There is only one 70th week. It is either historically contiguous with the preceding 69 weeks, as has been the prevailing view of the true Christian Church up to the 19th century; or it is disembodied and postponed, according to the dispensational view after the 19th century.
If Daniel 9:24 has been fulfilled, and it has, then Daniel 9:25-27 have also been fulfilled, because all verses relate to the one 70th week.
If Daniel 9:24 has been fulfilled historically, and it has, then Daniel 9:25-27 have also been fulfilled historically.
If these fulfillments are historical, and they are, then they are associated with a contiguous, undisembodied, unpostponed, 70th week.
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Then there would be an abundance of verifiable archeological evidences that proven beyond the shadow of a doubt who the False prophet of Rev13 was that pulls fire down from heaven on demand , there would be evidence of what the image of the beast was that was not human that could speak and cause people to worship the beast , There would be evidence that shows the Euphrates river was dried up in the year 70 A.D. There would be evidence that Jesus has returned to earth after his ascension into heaven , there would be evidence that shows that there have been no more wars since 70A.D. or at least a nearly zero amount of wars , but such is not the case . There would be evidence of a time when satan was unable to deceive people and cause deceptions -never has happened . There would be evidence of all the prophecies having been fulfilled and a world of loving peaceful people - no where near that yet and there is more ; but this is enough to prove that , The Man of sin that will come and with his false prophet have not come and proves the 70th week has not yet come
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The Man of sin that will come and with his false prophet have not come and proves the 70th week has not yet come
Christ said that it has. I believe Him.
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seventysevens
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Christ Jesus said it is yet to come and we can see the evidence of those things to come begin to happen in our time , pay attention to what is happening live and you will see that Christ told you that when he returns it will be the most notable happening in the history of the earth and every eye will see it happen , you are unfortunately following a false Christ
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Why?Then there would be an abundance of verifiable archeological evidences that proven beyond the shadow of a doubt who the False prophet of Rev13 was that pulls fire down from heaven on demand , there would be evidence of what the image of the beast was that was not human that could speak and cause people to worship the beast , There would be evidence that shows the Euphrates river was dried up in the year 70 A.D. There would be evidence that Jesus has returned to earth after his ascension into heaven , there would be evidence that shows that there have been no more wars since 70A.D. or at least a nearly zero amount of wars , but such is not the case . There would be evidence of a time when satan was unable to deceive people and cause deceptions -never has happened . There would be evidence of all the prophecies having been fulfilled and a world of loving peaceful people - no where near that yet and there is more ; but this is enough to prove that , The Man of sin that will come and with his false prophet have not come and proves the 70th week has not yet come
What are you trying to say exactly?
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Christ Jesus said it is yet to come and we can see the evidence of those things to come begin to happen in our time , pay attention to what is happening live and you will see that Christ told you that when he returns it will be the most notable happening in the history of the earth and every eye will see it happen , you are unfortunately following a false Christ
This is a false Christ?
Luke 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luke 24
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures
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seventysevens
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Seriously ?
It is abundantly obvious that many things that are to happen have NOT YET happened
The things that will happen when the Man of Sin arrives have not yet happened , only people who want to say they have happened think it has but in no way at all can provide any physical substantive evidence that it has , reread the post and tell me how many things you can prove have physical evidences that they have happened
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"The antecedents of the "he's" in Daniel 9:27 are Messiah in verses 25 and 26." Not according to millions of church members over the centuries - but perhaps in your mind.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The people of the Prince that shall come shall destroy the city..."
The "prince" that came was Titus. And it was Roman Soldiers that took down the temple block by block and destroyed the city. Are you then confusing Jesus and Titus?
And he shall confirm the covenant......This he refers back the the first anticedant: the prince of the previous verse that came and destroyed the city and the temple.
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From the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.
It represents the understanding of Bible scholars of that time.
Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.
Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.
(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.
(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.
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Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
(See the word "compass" in Luke 21:20.)
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
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Every verse is a verse by itself. The 70th week starts at verse 26.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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Note that Matthew 24 cannot possibly be fulfilled, because the Second Coming in Matthew 24:30 has never been fulfilled.
Also, the Tribulation in Matthew 24 can only occur immediately prior to the Second Coming (Matthew 24:29-31).
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Note that even in preterism there was a gap of decades between the 1st century AD fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a and the 1st century AD fulfillment of Daniel 9:26b. For 1st century AD Jerusalem wasn't destroyed until 70 AD, decades after the Crucifixion. Also, there will be a gap of 7 years between the future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26a and the future fulfillment of Daniel 9:26b. For the present Jerusalem won't be destroyed until right before and at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Zechariah 14:2-21), about 7 years after the future Antichrist "cuts" a 7-year treaty (Daniel 9:26a,27a) with a future, ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:22-23a) who will be ruling Jerusalem at the start (and then during the 1st half) of the possibly 7-year, future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.
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Note that everything prophesied in Matthew 24 has to be fulfilled in the same generation (Matthew 24:34), which could be the one which saw the reestablishment of Israel in 1948, which could be symbolized by the rebudding of the fig tree in Matthew 24:32-34.
That is, the rebudding of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32) can refer to the 1948 reestablishment of Israel, just as Jesus Christ's cursing of the literal, fruitless fig tree (Matthew 21:19) foreshadowed his curse on the part of Old Covenant Israel which rejected Him (Matthew 21:43). For a fig tree can represent Israel (Hosea 9:10, Joel 1:6-7, Luke 13:6-9). And the Israel which was reestablished in 1948 is the same Old Covenant Israel which Jesus cursed at His 1st coming, insofar as it still mistakenly rejects Jesus and still mistakenly considers itself to be under the Old Covenant. This Israel merely "putting forth leaves" again (Matthew 24:32) in 1948 was only a restoration to what the fig tree in Matthew 21:19,43 had been before it was cursed by Jesus and then destroyed in 70 AD: a tree with leaves, but without any fruit. And the non-Christian, nation-state of Old Covenant Israel which was reestablished in 1948 may never bear fruit. For it could be destroyed before Jesus' Second Coming, during a future war, by a Baathist army, just as it had been destroyed in 70 AD by a Roman-empire army.
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Also, Ezekiel 21:27a could include the meaning that Jerusalem (Ezekiel 21:22) must be overturned, in the sense of completely destroyed, 3 separate times: once in 586 BC (by the Babylonians), then again in 70 AD (by the Romans), and then again at some point in our future (by the Antichrist), right before Jesus Christ's Second Coming (Ezekiel 21:27b, Zechariah 14).
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Some people believe that Amos 9:15 applies to the reestablishment of Israel in 1948 AD. But Amos 9:15 could refer to what will happen only at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Isaiah 9:7, Amos 9:11). For Amos 9:14-15 was spoken before the taking of the northern kingdom of Israel into captivity (Amos 8:14, Amos 5:27) by the Assyrians in 722 BC. And so Amos 9:14-15 was spoken before the southern kingdom of Judah was taken into captivity by the Babylonians in 586 BC. But Amos 9:14-15 didn't apply to the post-Babylonian-captivity restoration of the Jews to their land in 538 BC, for that restoration was subsequently destroyed by a Roman-empire army in 70 AD. So Amos 9:14-15 doesn't necessarily apply to the subsequent restoration of the Jews to their land in 1948 AD either. This restoration could be destroyed by the Baathists in a future war (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath") at the start of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. Jesus Christ will restore the Davidic kingdom of Israel (Luke 1:32b-33, Isaiah 9:7, Amos 9:11) at His Second Coming (Acts 1:6-7, Acts 3:20-21), which will occur immediately after the Tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8).
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