My YEC Evidence Challenge

dad · Jul 16, 2017

Astrophile said:
Did anybody try to answer this question?

Yes

Aman777 · Jul 16, 2017

man777 said: ↑
False since man was "formed" of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and rain AND TREES, which grew on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

dad said:
Except you made that up.

Since you continue to falsely accuse me of making up things, I would like for everyone to see your Scriptural illiteracy. According to Gen 1:12:

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after His kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after His kind: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Is there ANY question about which Day grass, herbs and TREES grew? Of course not, since the verses above show that this happened on the 3rd Day. Now, read the following verses which "add to" the information revealed in Genesis chapter ONE.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Adam's Earth was made the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:9-10, therefore these verses are speaking of the THIRD Day, the day the plants GREW.

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field BEFORE it was in the earth, and every herb of the field BEFORE it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Wait a minute. These verses are speaking of a time on the 3rd Day BEFORE plants, herbs and rain, setting the stage for the next verse which you like to ignore:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man (Hebrew-Adam) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Heb-being)

Is there any question that Scripture is saying that Adam was made the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs GREW? If so, read the next verses:

Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every TREE that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

See? Adam was made on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and TREES which GREW on the 3rd Day as Genesis 1:12 states. Can you tell us of another Day when Adam was "formed" of the dust? Of course not. i predict you will run away in order to keep from looking so defeated. God Bless you

bhsmte · Jul 16, 2017

Highly entertaining. Keep it up.

dad · Jul 16, 2017

Aman777 said:
Since you continue to falsely accuse me of making up things, I would like for everyone to see your Scriptural illiteracy. According to Gen 1:12:

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after His kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after His kind: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Is there ANY question about which Day grass, herbs and TREES grew? Of course not, since the verses above show that this happened on the 3rd Day. Now, read the following verses which "add to" the information revealed in Genesis chapter ONE.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

This has what to do with the day of creation when Adam was created? Each day had a specific set of things created in it. The general time or day the creation week happened has nothing to wo with what day man was created.

Adam's Earth was made the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:9-10,

No. THE earth was created day one. Heavens too.

therefore these verses are speaking of the THIRD Day, the day the plants GREW.

The day plants were created was day three and of course they grew. What did you think they would do...swim or fly?

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field BEFORE it was in the earth, and every herb of the field BEFORE it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Not sure you comprehend what you posted.

Wait a minute. These verses are speaking of a time on the 3rd Day BEFORE plants, herbs and rain, setting the stage for the next verse which you like to ignore:

So He made seeds or plants or whatever before He put them on earth..so? That would have been day three.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man (Hebrew-Adam) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Heb-being)

Yes He did, and we know when...the sixth day.

Is there any question that Scripture is saying that Adam was made the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs GREW? If so, read the next verses:

Yes. Just because plants were made before being planted...remember the garden was planted?...doesn't mean man was here.

Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every TREE that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Man was created day six, so Adam was not put anywhere before that.

See? Adam was made on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and TREES which GREW on the 3rd Day as Genesis 1:12 states.

No. You misunderstood the verse as well as conflated the creation days because you try to make chapter 2 something other than a further explanation of what already had happened.

AV1611VET · Jul 16, 2017

dad said:
Heavens too.

Heaven.

dad · Jul 17, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Heaven.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Do we know of some other day in creation week other heavens were made?

Kylie · Jul 17, 2017

dad said:
Hard to believe that you put up so much resistance for so long claiming it was a certain way, and now you admit not knowing at all actually. Wasting our time. You expect us to have blind faith in the system of science. Name anyone in science who says radioactivity was always the same, and their reasons.

I follow the opinion of the people who DO know.

If the scientists who work with radio dating techniques tell me that their techniques are unreliable, THEN I will change my tune.

But if I have you saying one thing, and all the experts saying something else, then I'm going with the experts.

Do you think this is an unreasonable position to take?

Kylie · Jul 17, 2017

dad said:
There is not significant disagreement among bible believers that I know about that Adam was created on day six actually. The word Christian is often confused with craziness, cult concepts, and weird nonsense loosely built around some out of context part of some verse that is molested to support some ignorant or secret personal agenda.

No significant disagreement?

Is that why there are so many denominations of Christianity?

List of Christian denominations - Wikipedia

Kylie · Jul 17, 2017

dad said:
?Lesser Value? No. If you add value to posts, no one will care if a man wrote them or not.

And yet you remain incapable of responding the the content of my posts. Your replies are consistently the same old arguments that boil down to "Bible says it," or "You can't prove I'm wrong!"

Kylie · Jul 17, 2017

Aman777 said:
That's the way it is with Science. They try to decide IF life came from outer Space, abiogenesis or magical chemical generation, or just appeared from no where. They finally announced last year what God told us more than 3k years ago in Genesis 1:21 that "every living creature that moveth" was made from water. They call it the last universal common ancestor. Please notice the Date. it's 3k years too late.

Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things
Jul 25, 2016 -

God's Truth is the Truth in EVERY way. Soon, the scientists of the last days will confirm other revelations hidden in Genesis chapter one. God told us this would happen more than 2,000 years ago in Act 2:17. God is pouring out His Spirit of Truth upon all flesh including unbelievers and scientists. Happy reading and God Bless you.

Tell me, did you actually READ the article?

Did you spot this sentence in the article? "Deep sea vents are surrounded by exotic life-forms and, with their extreme chemistry, have long seemed places where life might have originated." Do you think "long seemed" means "Only from slightly before this was discovered"?

Also, could you please show me where in that article (or any other source, for that matter) it says, "Prior to 2016, we simply had no ideas at all about how life got started."

And finally, if you read the article (which I strongly suspect you didn't, since you missed the bit that shows your claim about it was wrong), you'll see that the life form they discovered is "missing so many genes necessary for life that it must still have been relying on chemical components from its environment." The scientist who found it thinks this means it was "half alive". This is entirely consistent with the evolutionary view of life, not of the created by God view of life.

So yeah, your argument just fell flat on its face. Three times.

Kylie · Jul 17, 2017

Aman777 said:
Dad has his own religion which does not agree with Scripture, Science nor History. He believes his truth by Faith in dad's understanding. Such thinking has caused some 30k plus denominations, which is exactly as God knew it would be before He began the creation. This assures that ONLY by Faith can one be saved. ONLY the people of the last days, have the increased knowledge to understand the scientific Truths hidden in Genesis chapter One. Dan 12:4 God Bless you

I don't get that. You say that you can only be saved by faith, but then say there are more than 30,000 different faiths (and that seems to be just Christianity, not counting any of the other religions!).

So does that mean that you are saved by faith, but it doesn't matter what faith it is? Or does it need to be a specific faith? And if so, which one? (Lemme guess - the right faith is the one you believe.)

AV1611VET · Jul 17, 2017

dad said:
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Do we know of some other day in creation week other heavens were made?

The second day.

AV1611VET said:
It depends on which firmament you're talking about.

There are three of them -- also called "heavens":

first heaven = atmosphere = 0-62 miles up

second heaven = outer space = 62 miles - heaven

third heaven = heaven proper

A firmament is nothing more than a containment field, made to house specific objects.

AV1611VET · Jul 17, 2017

Kylie said:
So does that mean that you are saved by faith, but it doesn't matter what faith it is? Or does it need to be a specific faith? And if so, which one? (Lemme guess - the right faith is the one you believe.)

All 30,000 believe: IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.

Kylie · Jul 17, 2017

AV1611VET said:
All 30,000 believe: IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.

Most other religions believe that too.

Are you suggesting that as long as you believe that God created the universe that you'll go to Heaven?

AV1611VET · Jul 17, 2017

Kylie said:
Most other religions believe that too.

Their god is different.

I'm talking about the 30,000 different sects of Christianity that supposedly exists.

Kylie said:
Are you suggesting that as long as you believe that God created the universe that you'll go to Heaven?

No.

I'm say the object of their faith is Jesus.

dad · Jul 17, 2017

Aman777 said:
man777 said: ↑
False since man was "formed" of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and rain AND TREES, which grew on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

Only by ignoring the actual day Adam was created, as well as trying to shove every day of creation into what was created on the third day only, do you get that idea. Then of course we get the plethora of ideas from that also that follow the mistake...Adam being billions of years old, living in a bubble under a lake all the while with all of mankind, marrying monkeys after the flood, and etc etc.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man (Hebrew-Adam) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Heb-being)

Chapter two is not a sequence of creation, so we do not follow what it reveals about various things that were already done as such. You do. You get confused, and try to confuse others.

dad · Jul 17, 2017

Kylie said:
I follow the opinion of the people who DO know.

You chose the opinion people do know, but can never show how, and admit you can't.

If the scientists who work with radio dating techniques tell me that their techniques are unreliable, THEN I will change my tune.

Blind faith in blind men. We get it.

Do you think this is an unreasonable position to take?

Better to allow the truth and light of God, and also admit man actually doesn't know. You just thought he did.

dad · Jul 17, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Heaven.

I think the heavens that were finished included the sky, outer space and etc. We could call all of it heaven I guess if we like.

dad · Jul 17, 2017

AV1611VET said:
The second day.

OK. The firmament or space was on the second day.

dad · Jul 17, 2017

Kylie said:
And yet you remain incapable of responding the the content of my posts. Your replies are consistently the same old arguments that boil down to "Bible says it," or "You can't prove I'm wrong!"

Content of your posts? Ha. Keep up the comedy.

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