Sin is Lawlessness

corinth77777 said:

As for Romans 9
God has shown Mercy
In context we find he gave his only son to us all
And in him there is life

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God gave His only Son to die as a ransom for all mankind in order to make it possible for all of us to inherit eternal life.

However, not everyone will take advantage of this gift of God.

A person must first believe and be baptized in order to become saved and then a person must continue in his salvation by obedience to God's commandments until his death in order for him to be approved to inherit eternal life.

corinth77777 said:

As for Romans 2: the high lighted is impotant part of context:

"[But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;]"

Remember what the scripture states eternal life is?

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PollyJetix said:

Jan, your system makes it completely unnecessary to tell others about Jesus.
All they have to do is be good.
Which makes the cross of none effect.

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There is no salvation for anyone without the cross!!! Adam's sin made it impossible for any person including himself to ever enter into eternal life with God.

Mankind inherited Adam's sin and so we are conceived with his sin on our souls. His sin makes us sinners/enemies of God. Belief and baptism makes us friends/reconciles us to God. Mark 16:16

Many Christians are also enemies of Christ.


IF Jesus Christ had not died on the cross, no person either good or evil, could ever enter into eternal life to be with God.

Jan001 said:

John 5:30 is no longer valid for Jesus Christ because He has, since then, died on the cross, risen from the dead, and been exalted and seated at the right hand of His Father. Jesus Christ is ruling/reigning in heaven over all the world right now.

God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit agree together about everything in perfect unity because they are only one God. Jesus Christ is in heaven right now. He has been exalted to His Father's right hand. He is no more a little lower than the angels He is now high above them in dignity and honor.

Hebrews 2:6-8
It has been testified somewhere,
“What is man that thou art mindful of him,
or the son of man, that thou carest for him?
7 Thou didst make him for a little while lower than the angels,
thou hast crowned him with glory and honor,
8 putting everything in subjection under his feet.”
Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. As it is, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. rsv​

To believe in God means to obey God. There is no continued belief in God without continued obedience to His commandments. There is no love for God without obedience to God's commandments.

John 14:15
“If you love me, you will keep (obey) my commandments. rsv

John 14:21
He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” rsv

John 15:10
If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. rsv

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. rsv

1 John 2:4
He who says “I know him” but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; rsv

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You are the one that brought the passage...
You must come through the door....the door is Christ

Jan001 said:

John 17:3
And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. rsv

1 John 2:4
He who says “I know him” but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; rsv

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.​

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What is your argument? All I was showing you is we cant take scriptures out of context...for contexts gives meaning...

Jan001 said:

Rahab had faith because God had mercy on her and gave her the gift of faith. Rahab believed because God made it possible for her to believe.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God— rsv

Romans 12:3
For by the grace given to me I bid every one among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith which God has assigned him. rsv

Galatians 3:5
Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? rsv

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Again Im not sure of your point.....all I was showing is that you took scripture out of context. One must go through the door....

Jan001 said:

Christians can judge the actions of people and decide for themselves if these people's actions are either good or evil according to God's commandments.

Luke 12:57-58
And why do you not judge for yourselves what is right? 58 As you go with your accuser before the magistrate, make an effort to settle with him on the way, lest he drag you to the judge, and the judge hand you over to the officer, and the officer put you in prison. rsv

John 7:24
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” rsv

Acts 16:15
And when she was baptized, with her household, she besought us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” And she prevailed upon us. rsv

1 Corinthians 5:12-13
For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Drive out the wicked person from among you.”rs​

What we cannot do is judge a person's intentions or the state of his/her soul. We do not know what is in the person's heart, but God does know.

1 Peter 1:17
And if you invoke as Father him who judges each one impartially according to his deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile. rsv

Luke 16:15
But he said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

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Your point? Again...all I was showing is how you took scripture out of context....the words that give meaning....nust be included...or summerized as well...but not left out...

The only Judging I could do is through scripture....If Jesus says He is the way to the Father.....then I judge that if he said he is the way ....He is the way!

corinth77777 said:

You are the one that brought the passage...
You must come through the door....the door is Christ

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Yes, the door to heaven/eternal life is through Jesus Christ. After a person dies, he is judged by Jesus Christ. Makes no difference whether he is a Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Buddhist. All people will be judged by Jesus Christ because the Father has given all judgment to the Son.

Jan001 said:

Yes, the door to heaven/eternal life is through Jesus Christ. After a person dies, he is judged by Jesus Christ. Makes no difference whether he is a Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Buddhist. All people will be judged by Jesus Christ because the Father has given all judgment to the Son.

John 5:22 The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, rsv


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Yes, but scriptures says somewhere they will be judged through the gospel..ill find it

Jan001 said:

Yes, the door to heaven/eternal life is through Jesus Christ. After a person dies, he is judged by Jesus Christ. Makes no difference whether he is a Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Buddhist. All people will be judged by Jesus Christ because the Father has given all judgment to the Son.

John 5:22 The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, rsv


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Romans 2;16

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

corinth77777 said:

What is your argument? All I was showing you is we cant take scriptures out of context...for contexts gives meaning...

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Your understanding of the context of a Scripture is not the same as my understanding of the context!

A person does not believe in Jesus Christ if he does not obey Jesus Christ's commandments.

Im done...when one starts telling untruths.
Without cause...Pointless conversation..

Jesus says he is the way, the truth,...

And no one can come to the father but by Him.

I'm not going to add anything to that..

I stop responding when people tell untruths..about me...

corinth77777 said:

Romans 2;16

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

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What is Jesus Christ's gospel?

It is: If you keep/obey my commandments until you die, I will grant you eternal life.

I say you must come through Jesus...and now....automatically..im lied on .."that I dont obey his commands" I'll let God be true...

Peace and Blessing

corinth77777 said:

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I say you must come through Jesus...and now....automatically..im lied on .."that I dont obey his commands" I'll let God be true...

Peace and Blessing

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Everyone must go through Jesus Christ in order to see His Father in heaven. Jesus has criteria by which He judges a person worthy to inherit eternal life.

I do not know what you mean by: "....and now....I'm lied on....that I don't obey his commandments."

Did you think that I was referring to yourself? I assure you that I have no idea whether you obey God's commandments or not.

Scripture states that Jesus will give the crown of eternal life to the people who love Him. James 1:12

Scripture states that a person does not love Jesus unless this person obeys God's commandments. Just because a Christian believes he is saved does not make it so. John 14:15, John 14:21, John 15:10

Peace and Blessings to you!

Ken Rank said:

He said, "I have not come to abolish (or do away) with the law, I came to fulfill it." If "fulfill" means "do away with" then that verse is contradicting itself, which we know it can't be. The word for fulfill has an interesting entry in Thayer lexicon, basically it says that it means to fulfill in the sense of making God's promises known and the manner in which He desired the law to be walked out to be made manifest. In other words, He didn't come to do away with it, He came to show us how God expects us to walk it. The next two verse after that (Matthew 5:18-19) support that. There are other verses too that are just as plain. Consider this one...

Matthew 23:2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
Matthew 23:3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.

Moses' seat was the seat within the synagogue that the Pharisee or Scribe would sit and read the Torah in Sabbath. What Yeshua is saying is DO what they say from that seat, i.e. do the law... but don't do as they do because they are hypocrites.

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Did Jesus come to bring the entire world under the law of Moses in other words making everyone to become and live like a Jew?

Do the scribes and Pharisees have any authority outside of Israel or the law? If so what does delivered from the law mean? Personally I read the new covenant will not be like the one given to Israel at Mt Sinai.

Sola1517 said:

Okay big question. Can the Holy Spirit command someone to do something that goes against Scripture?

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I would ask if a person is in compliance with Jesus' new commandment can they be in violation of the law? I think a person can be in violation of that command and be in compliance with the law. The converse can't be true. I also believe if a person follows the leading of the Holy Spirit they won't practice sin or be led by the law.

Sola1517 said:

1 John 3:4

Sin, according to the Apostle John is lawlessness. Other religions teach people to be moral just as much as Christianity does. So what law is John referring to? Does being saved mean following the Law of Moses or is there another law that we are to adhere to?

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Look at Matthew Henry's commentary on the Law from Matthew 5:17-20.

"SIN" is MORE than simply "LAWLESSNESS!

And here's my 4 cents worth on DEFINITIONS:

1. SIN = "falling short" = ANYTHING contrary to the perfect CHARACTER and ATTRIBUTES of the TRI-UNE GOD...ALL fall short! This is the spiritual gap between God's perfect good and Man's imperfections

2. SIN(S) = personal "missing the marks" = willfull or ignorant, commission or omission, "trespasses" that cause loss of fellowship with / create a barrier between God and Man...these can be FORGIVEN!...
A. For unbelievers, SALVATION is needwd...another important subject.
B. For believers, CONFESSION (spiritually agreeing with God)...1 John 1

3. SIN NATURE = the natural-born capacity and inclination to do / not do those things that can in no way commend Man and his own "works" to God....
This nature is SPIRITUALLY changed by salvation / redemption, BUT it still rears its ugly head in BODY / SOUL after salvation.

4. IMPUTED SIN / Righteousness:?...Romans 5:12. 15-17 (NIV)...Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ

How believers deal with SIN(S) in their lives...>>> the "carnal Christ-follower " must CONFESS (agree with God)...1 John 1: 5-10...Walking in the light

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also died FOR sins ONCE FOR ALL,
the just (Jesus the God-Man) FOR the unjust, (all natural men)
so that He might bring us to God, (salvation and reconciliation)
having been put to death in the flesh, (crucifixion)
but made alive in the spirit; (resurrection, appearances, ascension)

"Sin" in the OT:

Examples: disobedience to a known command of God..."Do not eat..." ...Moses' Big 10...taboo's!

their sin ....Hebrew 2403...chatta'ath ...sinful condition, guilt

Genesis 18:20
And the LORD said,
“The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave.

Exodus 10:17
“Now therefore, please forgive my sin only this once,
and make supplication to the LORD your God,
that He would only remove this death from me.”

Ezekiel 18:24
“But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.

Ezekiel 45:17...he shall provide
the sin offering,
the grain offering,
the burnt offering and
the peace offerings,
to make atonement for the house of Israel.”

"Sin" in the NT:

sin ...Greek 266....hamartia....
B.to miss the mark
C.to err, be mistaken
D.to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong
E.to wander from the law of God, violate God's law, sin

The NEW Covenant!

Matthew 26:28
for this is My blood of the (NEW) covenant, which is poured out FOR many FOR "forgiveness of sins".

Mark 14:24
And He said to them, “This is My blood of the (NEW) covenant, which is poured out FOR many.

Luke 22:20
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out FOR you is the "NEW covenant IN My blood.

John 1:29
The next day he (JohntB)saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Matthew 12:31
“Therefore I say to you,
any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people,
but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.