Sin is Lawlessness

[corinth77777]

Galatians 3:10-12 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”


The Book of the Law speaks about the faith of Abraham, the faith of everyone in Hebrews 11 who lived in obedience to God's commands, and the faith of the Israelites, so our faith upholds the Book of the Law and the Book of the Law is of faith. "Faith" is synonymous with "trust", so obedience to the Book of the Law is trusting God to guide is how we should live and trusting that His commands are for our own good. In contrast, the works of law are the man-made oral laws, rulings, traditions, and fences of the Pharisees that they were teaching that Gentiles needed to obey in order to become saved, so they are not of faith, and no one who relies on them is justified before God. Anyone who relies on works of the law is under a curse because they are failing to live by faith in God and therefore failing to do everything written in the Book of the Law.



But that is what is mean by saying that the Law is kept through faith.



In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that if we want to enter life, then obey the commandments, so the way to have life is in Christ through obedience to the Law by grace through faith. It is true that the Law pointed out how to avoid sin, but it also pointed out how to do what is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), or in other words, how to rightly live before God. The Law is the way (Exodus 18:20, Deuteronomy 5:33, Deuteronomy 8:6, Deuteronomy 26:16-17, Deuteronomy 28:9, Isaiah 2:3, Jeremiah 6:16-19, Psalms 119:1, Matthew 3:3, Matthew 22:16), the truth (Psalms 119:142, Psalms 119:151, John 17:17), and the life (Proverbs 13:14, Matthew 19:17, Deuteronomy 30:15-20), Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6), the Law is God's Word, and Messiah is God's Word made flesh, so trying to separate following one from following the other will leave you with only half the truth. Messiah was sinless, so he set a perfect example example of how to walk in obedience to the Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:3-6), so obedience to the Law is the way of Christ.

If you believe you through faith you keep the law...then so be it..

But I believe through Jesus Christ..because of his resurrection...we Keep the command to Love.......and through love and by love ..we end up establishing the law....yes as in holding up to the standard of...bringing its meaning and purpose....to head...We needed someone to remove sin...in order to serve God from a pure heart.....God desire is that He destroy the works of the devil....So living by his spirit...is to walk in love...the newness of life

Those are my thoughts...study for yourself

 

[Greatfull]

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Salvation is such a personal thing. For me I do my best to worship and serve the Lord because I love Him for what He has done for me. I am so greatful

 

[Ron Gurley]

Sin is MORE THAN JUST Lawlessness!

SIN / SIN(S) / SINNERS / SIN NATURE...further Defined and Explained

"SIN" :
414 times in 269 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the NASB
condition of sin, guilt of sin, punishment for sin, sin-offering

Hebrew 2403 - "chatta'ath"
in the NT, Greek 266 - "hamartia"

a) to be without a share in
b) to miss the mark
c) to err, be mistaken
d) to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honor, to do or go wrong
e) to wander from the law of God, violate God's law, sin
2) that which is done wrong, sin, an offence, a violation of the divine law in thought or in act
3) collectively, the complex or aggregate of sins committed either by a single person or by many

Proverbs 8:36
"But He who sins against Me injures himself;
All those who hate Me love death."

Psalm 79:9
Help us, O God of our salvation,
for the glory of Your name;
And deliver us and forgive our sins for Your name’s sake.

Psalm 25:18
Look upon my affliction and my trouble, And forgive all my sins.

Malachi 2:16
For I hate divorce,"
says the Lord, the God of Israel,
"and (hate) him who covers his garment with wrong,"
says the Lord of hosts.
"So take heed to your SPIRIT,
that you do not deal treacherously."

John 15:24
If I had not done among them the works which no one else did,
they would not have sin;
but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well.

Matthew 1:21
She will bear a Son;
and you shall call His name Jesus,
for He will save His people from their sins."

Matthew 9:13
But go and learn what this means:
‘I desire compassion, and not sacrifice,’
for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Matthew 6:13
‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from (the) evil.(one)
[For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]

Luke 11:4
‘And forgive us our sins,
For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation.’"

Matthew 26:28
for this is My blood of the (new) covenant,
which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

Mark 2:7
"Why does this man (Jesus) speak that way?
He is blaspheming;
who can forgive sins but God alone?"

Luke 5:24
But, so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,"
—He said to the paralytic—
"I say to you, get up, and pick up your stretcher and go home."

John 8:34
Jesus answered them,
"Truly, truly, I say to you,
everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.

John 16:8
And He (God the Holy Spirit), when He comes,
will convict the world concerning
sin and righteousness and judgment;

Romans 3:20, 23
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight;
for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin....
...for all have sinned and FALL SHORT of the glory of God,

Romans 5:19
For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners,
even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death,
but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 14:23b
and whatever is not from (spirit-led) faith is sin.

2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf,
so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

1 Timothy 1:15
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.

Hebrews 2:17 ; 4:15 ; 7:27; 9:16; 10:12
Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things,
so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God,
to make propitiation for the sins of the people....
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses,
but One who has been tempted in all things as we are,
yet without sin....
who does not need daily, like those high priests,
to offer up sacrifices, ...
first for His own sins and then FOR the sins of the people,
because this He did ONCE FOR ALL when He offered up Himself....
but now ONCE at the consummation of the ages
He has been manifested
to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself....
but He, having offered ONE sacrifice FOR (ALL) sins FOR ALL time,
sat down at the right hand of God,

James 4:8
Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.
Cleanse your hands, you sinners;
and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

James 5:16
Therefore, confess your sins to one another,
and pray for one another so that you may be healed.
The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

1 Peter 2:24
and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross,
so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness;
for by His wounds you were healed.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also died for sins once for all,
the just (Jesus) for the unjust, (Mankind)
so that He might bring us to God, (RECONCILIATION!)
having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

1 John 1:7-10
but if we (believers) walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light,
we have fellowship with one another,
and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
If we confess (agree with God about) our sins,
He is faithful and righteous to Forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ,
the faithful witness,
the firstborn of the dead, and
the ruler of the kings of the earth.
To Him who loves us and
released us from our sins by His blood—

 

[corinth77777]

Sin is MORE THAN JUST Lawlessness!

SIN / SIN(S) / SINNERS / SIN NATURE...further Defined and Explained

"SIN" :
414 times in 269 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the NASB
condition of sin, guilt of sin, punishment for sin, sin-offering

Hebrew 2403 - "chatta'ath"
in the NT, Greek 266 - "hamartia"

a) to be without a share in
b) to miss the mark
c) to err, be mistaken
d) to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honor, to do or go wrong
e) to wander from the law of God, violate God's law, sin
2) that which is done wrong, sin, an offence, a violation of the divine law in thought or in act
3) collectively, the complex or aggregate of sins committed either by a single person or by many

Proverbs 8:36
"But He who sins against Me injures himself;
All those who hate Me love death."

Psalm 79:9
Help us, O God of our salvation,
for the glory of Your name;
And deliver us and forgive our sins for Your name’s sake.

Psalm 25:18
Look upon my affliction and my trouble, And forgive all my sins.

Malachi 2:16
For I hate divorce,"
says the Lord, the God of Israel,
"and (hate) him who covers his garment with wrong,"
says the Lord of hosts.
"So take heed to your SPIRIT,
that you do not deal treacherously."

John 15:24
If I had not done among them the works which no one else did,
they would not have sin;
but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well.

Matthew 1:21
She will bear a Son;
and you shall call His name Jesus,
for He will save His people from their sins."

Matthew 9:13
But go and learn what this means:
‘I desire compassion, and not sacrifice,’
for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Matthew 6:13
‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from (the) evil.(one)
[For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]

Luke 11:4
‘And forgive us our sins,
For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation.’"

Matthew 26:28
for this is My blood of the (new) covenant,
which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

Mark 2:7
"Why does this man (Jesus) speak that way?
He is blaspheming;
who can forgive sins but God alone?"

Luke 5:24
But, so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,"
—He said to the paralytic—
"I say to you, get up, and pick up your stretcher and go home."

John 8:34
Jesus answered them,
"Truly, truly, I say to you,
everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.

John 16:8
And He (God the Holy Spirit), when He comes,
will convict the world concerning
sin and righteousness and judgment;

Romans 3:20, 23
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight;
for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin....
...for all have sinned and FALL SHORT of the glory of God,

Romans 5:19
For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners,
even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death,
but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 14:23b
and whatever is not from (spirit-led) faith is sin.

2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf,
so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

1 Timothy 1:15
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.

Hebrews 2:17 ; 4:15 ; 7:27; 9:16; 10:12
Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things,
so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God,
to make propitiation for the sins of the people....
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses,
but One who has been tempted in all things as we are,
yet without sin....
who does not need daily, like those high priests,
to offer up sacrifices, ...
first for His own sins and then FOR the sins of the people,
because this He did ONCE FOR ALL when He offered up Himself....
but now ONCE at the consummation of the ages
He has been manifested
to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself....
but He, having offered ONE sacrifice FOR (ALL) sins FOR ALL time,
sat down at the right hand of God,

James 4:8
Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.
Cleanse your hands, you sinners;
and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

James 5:16
Therefore, confess your sins to one another,
and pray for one another so that you may be healed.
The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

1 Peter 2:24
and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross,
so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness;
for by His wounds you were healed.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also died for sins once for all,
the just (Jesus) for the unjust, (Mankind)
so that He might bring us to God, (RECONCILIATION!)
having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

1 John 1:7-10
but if we (believers) walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light,
we have fellowship with one another,
and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
If we confess (agree with God about) our sins,
He is faithful and righteous to Forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ,
the faithful witness,
the firstborn of the dead, and
the ruler of the kings of the earth.
To Him who loves us and
released us from our sins by His blood—

To conclude with:
Romans 14 ;23


And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Col 3:17


And whatsoever ye do in word or deed,do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.


We all should read Romans 14

For where ever we are in our levels of understanding, God will judge the motives of our heart in Christ...

The doorway is Christ....

The doorway is not Works of Law by the flesh

Rather faith that works through love


Love..seems to address the heart condition

Get the heart right and works will be pure and not burn

And thereby establish the law through faith

 

[Jan001]

I have now responded to it, but the article he posted did not talk much about what it means to fulfill the Law, nor did your post interact with what it means.



I completely agree that we are under the New Covenant and that we are not under the Mosaic Covenant, however, we are still under the same God. God's holiness, righteousness, and goodness are eternal and unchanging, so the way to do what is holy, righteous, and good existed from the beginning before God made any covenants with man, so it is not dependent on any covenant, though it was revealed through them (Romans 7:12). So there is a distinction between a set of unchanging instructions for how to live according to the eternal holiness, righteousness, and goodness of our God and a covenant agreement to abide by those instructions. There are many examples throughout Genesis that show that God's Laws were already in place before they were given at Sinai, so certain actions did not become holy, righteous, and good when the Law was given, but rather the Law revealed what actions have always been and will always be in accordance with God's holiness, righteousness, and goodness. So anyone who wants to find out how to do what is holy, righteous, and good can do so by reading the Mosaic Law, regardless of what covenant, if any, they are under, but as part of the New Covenant, we are still told to follow God's instructions for how to do what is holy, righteous, and good (1 Peter 1:13-16, 1 John 3:10, Ephesians 2:10). For example, 1 Peter 1:13-16 says that we should have a holy conduct not in order to be identify with Jews or because we are under the Mosaic Covenant, but because God is holy, so follow God's instructions in Leviticus for how to have a holy conduct is about identifying with the holiness of our God. Jesus was sinless, so he set a perfect example for how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, and as his disciples, we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:3-6). We are not told that following Jesus is just for Jews.

Thank you for your post.

Jesus was under the Old Covenant Law of Moses. Jesus Christ ended the Law of Moses by fulfilling/finishing/completing all of its requirements by His birth, life, death on the cross, and ascension. All Christians are under the New Covenant Law of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree”— rsv​

I took the following out of your previous post to Dr. Bruce in order to comment on it.

"So because we have been grafted into God's chosen people, Israel, our behavior should likewise reflect our status as such. How can someone be part of a holy nation while refusing to follow God's Laws for how to have a holy conduct?"
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Gentiles/Greeks have not been grafted into God's chosen people, Israel.

Both Israel and the Gentiles are branches attached to the same olive tree (God).

Israel is the original, natural branches that are attached to the olive tree (God) and the Gentiles are the wild branches that have been grafted onto this same olive tree (God).

Non-Israelite Christians do not ever become Christian Israelites.

Romans 11:21-24
For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even the others, if they do not persist in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree. rsv
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The laws that are necessary for Christians to obey are God's natural moral laws. The essence of these laws is that we must love God and our neighbors.

The goal of every Christian is to be approved to inherit eternal life after he dies. Jesus and His apostles tell us in the New Testament which commands of God's we must obey on earth in order to be approved to inherit eternal life after we die.

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you read?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And he said to him, “You have answered right; do this, and you will live.” rsv
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Please note that Jesus did not say that the lawyer needed to follow the laws in Leviticus in order to inherit eternal life.

Matthew 19:16-19
And behold, one came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?” 17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to him, “Which?” And Jesus said, “You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19 Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” rsv
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Please note that Jesus did not say that the rich young man needed to follow the laws in Leviticus in order to inherit eternal life.

Romans 13:8-10
Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. rsv
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Please note that Paul did not say that we need to follow the laws in Leviticus in order to inherit eternal life. The laws in Leviticus are not valid for Christians and this includes both Jews and non-Jews who convert to Christianity.

Galatians 3:23-28
23 Now before faith came, we were confined under the law, kept under restraint until faith should be revealed. 24 So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian; 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. rsv

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The Law of Moses was given to the Israelites because they built the golden calf and worshiped it. The Law of Moses was given to them to train them (yoke them) so that they could learn to obey God's natural moral laws. The Law of Moses was a type of slavery.

What does Peter say about this yoke that is the Law of Moses/Old Covenant? He states that it is an unbearable yoke!

Acts 15:7-11
And after there had been much debate, Peter rose and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 And God who knows the heart bore witness to them, giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us; 9 and he made no distinction between us and them, but cleansed their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why do you make trial of God by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11 But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.” rsv
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Under the New Covenant of Jesus Christ, the Jews will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as the Greeks/Gentiles will be saved!

The Greeks/Gentiles were never under the Law of Moses/Old Covenant. Now, under the New Covenant of Jesus Christ, both the Christian Greeks/Gentiles and the Christian Israelites/Jews do not follow the laws in Leviticus. All faithful Christians regardless of ethnicity are the people of God and no person's ethnicity is better than any other person's ethnicity.

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[Jan001]

Heb 5;9
"In this way, God qualified him as a perfect High Priest, and he became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey him."


You said Jesus was always the source...but Hebrews 5 srates, "He became the source..."

God is the only source of salvation. The Word/Son of God is God and therefore God (Trinity) sent the Word/Son to earth to become the Incarnate Word (Jesus Christ the Man) for Him to die on the cross and thereby redeem mankind from Adam's sin and make it possible once again for people to inherit eternal life. Adam's sin made it impossible for mankind to inherit eternal life. God, the Trinity, is Spirit and cannot die. Therefore, one of the Persons of the Trinity had to become human in order to redeem the human Adam and all his descendants from Adam's sin and thus restore mankind's fellowship with God.

Phlp 3:9

"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:"

As shown in the passage....there was another source
And it was by human Effort, "mine own,.but we know the law could not be kept because of the "weakness of the flesh"

Psalms 119:160


"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever."

Shows the law forever


So as I stated, my understanding is the source has changed but the course is the same

When we Love through Christ... Christ be formed in us. I believe we establish the law..

The law shouldnt be strived to be kept..by trying to keep it.....Its a matter of looking To Christ where our Help comes from....and obeying his command to love.

Again..it goes back to..."First make the inside of the cup clean and the outside will be clean as well"

How do I believe we purify ourselves? By walking in Love......

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God— 9 not because of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. rsv
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God saves us so that we are able to do the good works that God has prepared and commanded us to do. If we do what He commands until we die, we will then inherit eternal life. If we do not do what He commands, we will not inherit eternal life. "That we should walk in them" is a command. It is not a suggestion.

Matthew 7:19-23
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’ rsv​

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[corinth77777]

God is the only source of salvation. The Word/Son of God is God and therefore God (Trinity) sent the Word/Son to earth to become the Incarnate Word (Jesus Christ the Man) for Him to die on the cross and thereby redeem mankind from Adam's sin and make it possible once again for people to inherit eternal life. Adam's sin made it impossible for mankind to inherit eternal life. God, the Trinity, is Spirit and cannot die. Therefore, one of the Persons of the Trinity had to become human in order to redeem the human Adam and all his descendants from Adam's sin and thus restore mankind's fellowship with God.

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God— 9 not because of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. rsv
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God saves us so that we are able to do the good works that God has prepared and commanded us to do. If we do what He commands until we die, we will then inherit eternal life. If we do not do what He commands, we will not inherit eternal life. "That we should walk in them" is a command. It is not a suggestion.

Matthew 7:19-23
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’ rsv​

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And may I politely asked your point in elelaborating?

 

[Jan001]

And may I politely asked your point in elelaborating?

Because this is what you stated:

"You said Jesus was always the source...but Hebrews 5 srates, "He became the source..."

 

[corinth77777]

Because this is what you stated:

"You said Jesus was always the source...but Hebrews 5 srates, "He became the source..."

So were u writing to deny that what is written in the word you disagree with? You didn't point out your stance...so I was just wondering..Have a great Day!

God's word is truth....rather we use Trinty or not...His pact with Israel was not with the Gentiles....the purpose is to see how they seen it and how God purposed it to be at the time...thats how we derive meaning...
Christ became the source...and if you could get to God directly through human effort and remain...then no need for Jesus...

 

[corinth77777]

every scripture we read is not directly referring to what happens after we leave our physical body on earth.

Scripture tells us why Jesus died:

"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

 

[Jan001]

So were u writing to deny that what is written in the word you disagree with? You didn't point out your stance...so I was just wondering..Have a great Day!

God's word is truth....rather we use Trinty or not...His pact with Israel was not with the Gentiles....the purpose is to see how they seen it and how God purposed it to be at the time...thats how we derive meaning...
Christ became the source...and if you could get to God directly through human effort and remain...then no need for Jesus...

The Source of Salvation for all people, Jew or Gentile/Greek, is God (Trinity of Persons). God saves the people who obey Him. The source of salvation is not just Jesus Christ.

Job 33:26
then man prays to God, and he accepts him, he comes into his presence with joy. He recounts to men his salvation, rsv

1 Corinthians 1:29-31
29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. 30 He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom, our righteousness and sanctification and redemption; rsv

Hebrews 5:9
and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him, rsv
​

The Israelites did not believe in the Trinity. The Jews of today do not believe in the Trinity. So the Israelites of the OT believed that salvation came from the LORD GOD and not from Jesus Christ.

Psalm 51:14
Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation, and my tongue will sing aloud of thy deliverance. rsv

Isaiah 12:2
“Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and will not be afraid; for the Lord God is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation.” rsv​

 

[corinth77777]

The Source of Salvation for all people, Jew or Gentile/Greek, is God (Trinity of Persons). God saves the people who obey Him. The source of salvation is not just Jesus Christ.

Job 33:26
then man prays to God, and he accepts him, he comes into his presence with joy. He recounts to men his salvation, rsv

1 Corinthians 1:29-31
29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. 30 He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom, our righteousness and sanctification and redemption; rsv

Hebrews 5:9
and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him, rsv
​

The Israelites did not believe in the Trinity. The Jews of today do not believe in the Trinity. So the Israelites of the OT believed that salvation came from the LORD GOD and not from Jesus Christ.

Psalm 51:14
Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation, and my tongue will sing aloud of thy deliverance. rsv

Isaiah 12:2
“Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and will not be afraid; for the Lord God is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation.” rsv​

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Ill let scripture and Jesus speak for themselves

 

[Jan001]

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Ill let scripture and Jesus speak for themselves

It is absolutely true that no man (or woman) can come to the Father in heaven unless first he (she) is approved to inherit eternal life by Jesus Christ.

However, this does not mean that a Jew cannot inherit eternal life. This does not mean that a Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc. cannot inherit eternal life.

Jesus Christ will judge every single person, regardless of the religion he practices. Jesus Christ will judge each person's heart and each person's intentions.

John 5:22
The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, rsv

Romans 9:14-16, 1 Corinthians 4:5

Acts 10:35
but in every nation any one who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.
​

 

[corinth77777]

It is absolutely true that no man (or woman) can come to the Father in heaven unless first he (she) is approved to inherit eternal life by Jesus Christ.

However, this does not mean that a Jew cannot inherit eternal life. This does not mean that a Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc. cannot inherit eternal life.

Jesus Christ will judge every single person, regardless of the religion he practices. Jesus Christ will judge each person's heart and each person's intentions.

John 5:22
The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, rsv

Romans 9:14-16, 1 Corinthians 4:5

Acts 10:35
but in every nation any one who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.
​

I don't know how you got on another topic
Im going to stick to the post Im responding to....
And to scripture:
Jesus became the source of salvation

And He is the way to the Father..

 

[corinth77777]

It is absolutely true that no man (or woman) can come to the Father in heaven unless first he (she) is approved to inherit eternal life by Jesus Christ.

However, this does not mean that a Jew cannot inherit eternal life. This does not mean that a Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc. cannot inherit eternal life.

Jesus Christ will judge every single person, regardless of the religion he practices. Jesus Christ will judge each person's heart and each person's intentions.

John 5:22
The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, rsv

Romans 9:14-16, 1 Corinthians 4:5

Acts 10:35
but in every nation any one who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.
​

You must understand that the way to righteousness is through Jesus. So Jesus is the only way to the Father.

"But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the laware just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel."

The only way one can continue to do righteous is if they abide in the one who is righteous. Jesus
So Jesus is the Door to the father...and we must live after the spirit...[walk in the spirit]
So We find in the above passage God does judge but through Jesus Christ.

Therefore one either will go through the door (Jesus Christ) and come to the father.

Yet if they do not go through the door and that is the only way to the father...? Then the opposite is true...

 

[corinth77777]

It is absolutely true that no man (or woman) can come to the Father in heaven unless first he (she) is approved to inherit eternal life by Jesus Christ.

However, this does not mean that a Jew cannot inherit eternal life. This does not mean that a Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc. cannot inherit eternal life.

Jesus Christ will judge every single person, regardless of the religion he practices. Jesus Christ will judge each person's heart and each person's intentions.

John 5:22
The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, rsv

Romans 9:14-16, 1 Corinthians 4:5

Acts 10:35
but in every nation any one who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.
​

So Ive come to understand why you went in that direction now.....

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


If you read the passage in context you find..being acceptable is refferring to how we must come to Him....for after Peter Preached Christ....you see the effects...

 

[corinth77777]

So Ive come to understand why you went in that direction now.....

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


If you read the passage in context you find..being acceptable is refferring to how we must come to Him....for after Peter Preached Christ....you see the effects...

In the passage;
Notice the man was a devout man among the Jews....
Yet he was not a Jew by birth....
But accepted by the Jews....And we find Peter still preached Christ to him...and as he did the Holy spirit came upon those who believed...they received the Spirit.
So the Door is Jesus...It is not Buddah, Mohammed, The Law of God....Jesus declared He is the way.....and no one can come to the father but through Him.

 

[Jan001]

I don't know how you got on another topic
Im going to stick to the post Im responding to....
And to scripture:
Jesus became the source of salvation

And He is the way to the Father..

How exactly did Jesus become the source of salvation to mankind? The OT states that the Lord God is our salvation.

Psalm 68:19
Blessed be the Lord, who daily bears us up; God is our salvation. Selah rsv

Isaiah 12:2
“Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and will not be afraid; for the Lord God is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation. rsv
​

Why exactly is Jesus the way to the Father?

 

[Jan001]

You must understand that the way to righteousness is through Jesus. So Jesus is the only way to the Father.

"But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the laware just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel."

The only way one can continue to do righteous is if they abide in the one who is righteous. Jesus
So Jesus is the Door to the father...and we must live after the spirit...[walk in the spirit]
So We find in the above passage God does judge but through Jesus Christ.

Therefore one either will go through the door (Jesus Christ) and come to the father.

Yet if they do not go through the door and that is the only way to the father...? Then the opposite is true...

I do believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, but many, many people believe that it is impossible for a person to inherit eternal life if he is not a Christian. I disagree with them.

 

[Jan001]

So Ive come to understand why you went in that direction now.....

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


If you read the passage in context you find..being acceptable is refferring to how we must come to Him....for after Peter Preached Christ....you see the effects...

God does not punish the people with damnation, who through no fault of their own, do not know Jesus Christ. And so Jews, Muslims, and others can inherit eternal life. Jesus Christ is the judge of all people. Only the people He approves to be worthy of salvation will join His Father in heaven.

John 5:28-29
Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment. rsv

Colossians 1:9-11
And so, from the day we heard of it, we have not ceased to pray for you, asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of his will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, 10 to lead a life worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing to him, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God. 11 May you be strengthened with all power, according to his glorious might, for all endurance and patience with joy, rsv

2 Thessalonians 1:5
This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be made worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering— rsv​