Pharoah's magicians probally used advanced Alien technology to turn sticks into snakes. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
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Pharoah's magicians probally used advanced Alien technology to turn sticks into snakes. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
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The problem is that evil angels are a bit more advanced at deception and illusion than even that. And those magicians were not claiming to "get this from aliens on another planet" in the actual Bible story. (Though evil angels were indeed helping them pull off the illusion)
so when you claim to know if the evil angels are spoofing you - or whether an actual alien from some planet is standing in front of you - who are you to know the difference???
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The people of Soddom could not tell the difference between an actual human and a good angel.
And neither could Abraham. (They can appear in whatever form they choose -- and the form is perfectly tailored to convince)
Gen 18
Then the Lord appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. 4 Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. 5 And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant.”
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Abraham Intercedes for Sodom
16 Then the men rose from there and looked toward Sodom, and Abraham went with them to send them on the way. 17 And the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, 18 since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19 For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the Lord, to do righteousness and justice, that the Lord may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him.” 20 And the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, 21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”
22 Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord. 23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
Gen 19
Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. 2 And he said, “Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant’s house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way.”
And they said, “No, but we will spend the night in the open square.”
3 But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.
4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”
And neither could Abraham. (They can appear in whatever form they choose -- and the form is perfectly tailored to convince)
Gen 18
Then the Lord appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. 4 Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. 5 And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant.”
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Abraham Intercedes for Sodom
16 Then the men rose from there and looked toward Sodom, and Abraham went with them to send them on the way. 17 And the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, 18 since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19 For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the Lord, to do righteousness and justice, that the Lord may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him.” 20 And the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, 21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”
22 Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord. 23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
Gen 19
Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. 2 And he said, “Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant’s house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way.”
And they said, “No, but we will spend the night in the open square.”
3 But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.
4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”
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Not really star wars but more of the stargate type mould. Intelligent advanced Alien beings visiting primitive worlds and passing themselves off as Gods.
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evil angels do that on this world. Nobody is doing that on other worlds created by God.
Blind faith evolutionism is false religion. This world and those other worlds - created perfect, sinless, by God.
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Who says?
Who says Satan has not deceived people on other worlds, why did he just pick on earth.
Sin is not just limited to this earth. Satan has screwed up the whole of creation. You also have to factor in that these other worlds some of them existed long before God made our earth.
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That's because some aliens look similar to us. Aliens are not green men with six heads and eight arms, that is just sci fi nonsense.
Actually there is evidence in the bible of Aliens breeding with humans (there is also evidence in non biblical ancient documents) so like it or not the humans of today are not related to the first pure humans, Adam and Eve.
If I could go back in time and meet Abraham and show him my magic box of lights that makes a lot of sounds (actually my i pad) he would class me as an angel or God, or perhaps a demon if i turn his straw hut into a smoking hole in the ground by sending my magic fireball (a nuclear weapon).
Of course i would not be an angel or an Alien or some divine God, just somebody from over three thousands years in the future with a superior technology and knowledge.
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Doesn't say that anywhere--it does say that Satan was caste to this earth--and his angels--they are not allowed access to the whole of creation anymore--they are chained to this world, Satan can go before God as representing the prince of this world--only then, as in Job.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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This hasn't happened yet, but is part of the things which must be hereafter (Revelation 4:1b).
Just as what John saw in Revelation 4:2-11 are literal things in heaven, so what he saw in Revelation 12:7-9 is a literal, future, mid-tribulation war in heaven, between Michael and his angels on the one hand, and Satan and his angels on the other, resulting in Satan and his angels being defeated and cast down to the earth permanently (Revelation 12:8-9,12-13).
Revelation 12:7-9 shows that Michael and his angels are more powerful than Satan and his angels. But this doesn't mean that Satan won't be able to deceive the world (Revelation 12:9) into thinking that he and his angels (with the help of a united mankind) will be able to defeat YHWH and his army (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19).
For before Revelation 12:7-9 happens, an army of 200 million weird horse-like beings and their (possibly unclean spirit) riders will come upon the earth (Revelation 9:16-19). If they descend from the sky in spaceships, the world could see them as aliens. But they and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") could (falsely) say that they are YHWH God's main army. In fact, they could be loyal to Lucifer (Satan, the dragon, Revelation 12:9). The 4 fallen angels now bound at the Euphrates who will lead this army (Revelation 9:14-16) could employ it to make mankind utterly desperate before its complete takeover by Lucifer and the Antichrist mid-tribulation (Revelation 12:9 to 13:18). For when this army starts killing 1/3 of mankind (Revelation 9:16-19), then could also begin one of the biggest deceptions ever wrought on humanity. For the Antichrist, who by that time could have managed to have been elected as the President of a Mediterranean Union formed by the joining of the European Union with an Arab Union stretching from Oman to Morocco, could announce to the world that he has sent a mental distress call to (what he could call) "My Father, our Lord Lucifer, to come with his legions of angels, and rescue mankind from this murderous army of YHWH".
It is at this point that Lucifer and his fallen angels could be cast down out of heaven to the earth permanently after losing a mid-tribulation war in heaven (Revelation 12:7-9). But instead of coming down as a defeated force, they could descend for all the world to see in gigantic, magnificent golden spaceships onto the "Champ de Mars", Mars being the same as Marduk the dragon, the chief god of ancient Babylon. The "Champ de Mars" is the large open area in front of the Eiffel Tower in Paris. After landing there, Lucifer, a literal 7-headed, red dragon (Revelation 12:3,9), could emerge in great splendor and command his angels to capture the army of 200 million weird horse-like beings and their (possibly unclean spirit) riders, who could then pretend to defect from serving YHWH to serving Lucifer. Lucifer could then confirm that he has come to rescue mankind because the Antichrist, who he could say is his only-begotten "Son", called upon him (like in an Antichrist counterfeit of Matthew 26:53). Lucifer and the Antichrist could then be received wholeheartedly by the unsaved world as the saviors of mankind. And the unsaved world could be left thinking (mistakenly) that Lucifer and his angels were more powerful than even YHWH God's main army.
Lucifer and the Antichrist, along with the Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, will then deceive the world into actually worshipping Lucifer and the Antichrist and a speaking (possibly an android) image of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-16, Revelation 19:20; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And everyone will be made to receive a (possibly scarification) mark of the Antichrist either on their right hand or forehead, consisting of either the Antichrist's name or some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:16-18). After Lucifer and the Antichrist have ruled the world for 3.5 literal years (Revelation 13:4-18), YHWH will send 7 vials of wrath against the unsaved world (Revelation 16).
Near the end of these 7 vials, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) (Revelation 16:16) to battle against YHWH himself (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). After gathering together at Armageddon as a staging area, the world's armies will travel south and pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30) returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Revelation 19:11 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:2-21).
When Jesus returns, immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 19:7-21, Matthew 24:29-31), he will descend physically from heaven on a white horse (Revelation 19:7-21; 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Zechariah 14:3-4, Acts 1:11-12) with all the holy angels (Matthew 25:31; 2 Thessalonians 1:7) for all the world to see (Matthew 24:27,30, Revelation 1:7). Then the church will be physically resurrected (if dead) or changed (if alive) into immortality (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Revelation 20:4-6) and caught up together/gathered together (raptured) (Matthew 24:31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1) as high as the clouds of the sky to hold a meeting in the air with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:17).
At that meeting, Jesus will judge the church (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27; 2 Corinthians 5:10, Luke 12:45-48) and marry its obedient part (Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12) in the clouds, before it mounts white horses and comes back down from sky (the 1st heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:14) as he defeats the world's armies (Revelation 19:19,21), and the Antichrist and False Prophet (Revelation 19:20), and has Lucifer (Satan) bound in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-3).
Jesus will then make the marriage supper of Revelation 19:9 for the obedient part of the church in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 25:6-9; 1 Corinthians 15:54), while the birds will feast on the corpses of the world's defeated armies (Revelation 19:17-18). Then Jesus and the obedient part of the church will rule the surviving nations with a rod of iron for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 2). After the 1,000 years, Lucifer will be released from the bottomless pit and bring about the Gog/Magog rebellion, only to be defeated for the last time (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39).
At least 7 years after that defeat (Ezekiel 39:9b), the great white throne judgment will occur, in which all those who hadn't been resurrected and judged at Jesus' return will be resurrected and judged (Revelation 20:11-15). Then God will create a new heaven (a new 1st heaven: a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1; 2 Peter 3:10b,13). Then God the Father will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:2), the Father's house (John 14:2, Revelation 21:3), and he will dwell on the earth with Jesus and the church (Revelation 21:3).
In one area outside the walls of New Jerusalem on the new earth will be the lake of fire (Revelation 22:15, Revelation 21:8), in which all of unsaved humanity will suffer forever in fire and brimstone with Lucifer and his fallen angels (Revelation 20:10,15, Matthew 25:41,46).
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Ya know, it's really amazing the sort of thing that Christians can come up with to believe when they chuck the Bible aside and just make stuff up as they go. Aliens and monsters and magic and all manner of fantasyland flapdoodle. And once you've decided to believe all that rubbish, it's no feat to "find" references to it in the Bible by just deciding it's there.
Truly amazing.
Truly amazing.
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"God so loved the WORLD that HE gave" -- it is only this world that sinned - it is only this world that has the Gospel given such that here and here alone - the sinner is justified and forgiven through the death of Christ. The rest of the universe benefits from watching events unfold here.
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hmmm- there are other planets, suns, galaxies and an entire universe out there - but for some folks -- it is just the one planet and the whole universe just tiny dots of light circling our earth.
Sleep well.
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the more science discovers about our universe - the more cloistered some will have to be
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Apparently some Christians can't tell the difference between the real universe and the product of overheated imaginations. No need for them to sleep, their daydreams become the stuff of their own personal reality.
Tell us more about these aliens of yours, Bob. Not the angels, but the ET ones that in your mind inhabit every celestial body ever discovered. We know from your testimony that they have faster-than-light drives for their flying saucers, and that they're sinless, and way yonder smarter than we are. Their worlds don't produce tons of EM radiation like the earth does because they don't need crude stuff like RF communications, or even electricity! But it would be nice if you could provide more detail. What do they eat, what do they wear, do they prefer classic rock or alternative? Do they like beer, wine, or mineral water with dinner? Are their political views socialist or do they take a more libertarian view? When they're not driving around the earth in their flying saucers, do they enjoy video games, or bowling? Do they marry for life, or have some other arrangement that's Far Superior to Ours? Enquiring minds want to know!
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There is no other life on other planets---in this galaxy. There are countless galaxies out there. God is a Creator. It is a part of what He does, who He is. So you think out of eons and eons He took only one week and made this galaxy and that was it??? An artist does not create one painting, one sculpture, one piece of beautiful jewelry or design just one great dress. This galaxy is the one contaminated, not the rest.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Satan is called the prince of this world. As that he went before this gathering, a heavenly council. Why do you wish to limit God?? As for anything else----whatever they do, it is without sin. As Adam and Eve would have remained, and the unfallen angels are. We fell, and the end result of Lucifer's rebellion was seen by all. None ever need doubt God again. We are made in the image of God. The angels are not, and I doubt the rest either. God does what He wants. Who are you to deny Him the power, and the right, to create life on other galaxies???
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hmmm- there are other planets, suns, galaxies and an entire universe out there - but for some folks -- it is just the one planet and the whole universe just tiny dots of light circling our earth.
Sleep well.
That is what I was saying about that "only this earth" and "All the universe revolves around this earth" group.
You might want to wake up for this one. (as we already saw on page - 1 )
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Just an opinion as I feel this whole galaxy is considered contaminated by sin---but there are sooooooo many others. And I may have my concept of this galaxy wrong. Whatever revolves around this sun, I feel is part of the fall. But, I could be wrong. I never claimed to be a prophet!
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I';m sure you've checked on that.
God hasn't seen fit to reveal to me His schedule immediately following the Creation, but I'm quite sure that if He wanted to create anything apart from this galaxy then He did so, and may still be doing so for all I know. I think that deciding precisely what He has done since then is pretty presumptuous, though. It's kind of like saying that God had filled all the worlds apart from ours with gerbils because, well, that's what He'd do! Show me some evidence that might lead me to believe that then I will, otherwise you're simply talking rubbish.
Why do you wish to claim to possess knowledge of what God has done that in fact you do not?
"They" being the folks that God has placed on the planets in far flung galaxies who you know about because... well you just know. Right.
Actually I'm denying that you can claim any knowledge at all of what God may have done in other galaxies for the very simple reason that you don't have any. You want to believe that God made zillions of galaxies and populated them with rainicorns and frodises. Fine. The trick is that you don't know that He did any more than I know that He didn't. It's just something you happen to believe, based on nothing at all. I happen to find that kind of "logic" exceedingly weird.
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