Seven Days Before

My apologies. I suppose I wanted to warn taking the number 7 as a literal, exact number and applying it as such. Just like in Revelation, it is a number symbolising God's perfection.

Whoops, I got confused
my apologies

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Yes! And the women came to the tomb in the early morning hours of the third day. Matthew 28. Lord Jesus was already risen when they got there. Now maybe I a fishing in the wrong lake, but I believe we are living in the early hours of the third day.

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We are at present in the last few years of the sixth Day.
Hosea 6:2 After 2 days He will revive us and on the third day, He will raise us to live in His Presence.
This is the definitive prophecy for the 2000 year church age.

The Lord's people will be restored and revived before the Return, as many prophesies say. Isaiah 35:1-10, Jeremiah 31:1-40, Ezekiel 39:23-29, Amos 9:13-15, Revelation 7:9-10
We know the Lord's holy people are living in all of the holy Land before the Return at year 6000. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7
It is them who shout: Blessed is He that comes in the Name of the Lord. And then Jesus will raise His people up to live in His presence. 1 Thessalonians 4:17

Douggg said:

Only in a certain scenario. Let's assume that 2037 (1967+70 years for a generation) is the limit, everything takes place before then.
The closer we get to 2030 - the less time window there is until the 7 years begin. So if we get to 2028, say, we know that there are only two years left in the window.
Right now that window is 14 years for the 7 years to begin, a long way aways from the 2030 deadline - but time passes quickly.

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I would say we can't count on any such window. That presumes a doctrine that isn't said in Bible passages. There is credible possibility for such end time events to happen so soon, and we see things showing development for it, but I can see yet other things will happen, even yet ahead of those. It may be still a longer while, and there isn't anything in Bible passages saying that can't be. America, for one thing, has no significant presence in the prophesied events, to act as America would act now in any great events. There remain a number of real possibilities that could do America in, any could really happen over time that is well ahead of the prophesied judgments from Yahweh God coming on the world.

Re the 70 year lifetime of the generation alive since 1948:

FredVB said:

That presumes a doctrine that isn't said in Bible passages.

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Jesus did say that the generation who saw the fig tree bud, that is: Judah becoming re-established in Israel, they would see it all. Matthew 24:32-34
Ezekiel 12:25 I the Lord will speak and what I will, it shall come to pass and will be put off no longer. You rebellious people, [Judah] in your lifetime and in your days, I will do what I have spoken.
Ezekiel 12:27.....these prophesies are for a time in the distant future.
As the State of Israel has just celebrated their 68th year since establishment, there is just 2 more years in which the Lord will take action and judging by the Middle East situation, that timeframe is quite likely.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Back to the OP. Fact is, Noah knew exactly the day the flood waters would come. He went into the ark seven days before the flood waters. Our Father shut him in. Our Father does nothing without revealing it to His prophets.So, since this is His pattern in the past, can we expect this pattern to repeat?

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I suppose it would depend on whether or not we could trust that when God says something is going to happen in Seven days, He means seven earth days, and not 7000 years. (2 Peter 3)
How is it you propose we can trust that?

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Back to the OP. Fact is, Noah knew exactly the day the flood waters would come. He went into the ark seven days before the flood waters. Our Father shut him in. Our Father does nothing without revealing it to His prophets.So, since this is His pattern in the past, can we expect this pattern to repeat?

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Paul prophesied that the Day of the Lord's wrath wouldn't come unexpectedly to: You friends, are not in the dark, that Day will not come upon you like a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:4, Luke 21:34-36
So if we are the Lord's friends, we can expect a warning of that forthcoming terrible Day. And as very few are aware at present, perhaps a seven day advance warning will be given to those whose names are written in the Book of life. Malachi 3:16-18

FredVB said:

I would say we can't count on any such window. That presumes a doctrine that isn't said in Bible passages. There is credible possibility for such end time events to happen so soon, and we see things showing development for it, but I can see yet other things will happen, even yet ahead of those. It may be still a longer while, and there isn't anything in Bible passages saying that can't be. America, for one thing, has no significant presence in the prophesied events, to act as America would act now in any great events. There remain a number of real possibilities that could do America in, any could really happen over time that is well ahead of the prophesied judgments from Yahweh God coming on the world.

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keras said:

Re the 70 year lifetime of the generation alive since 1948:
Jesus did say that the generation who saw the fig tree bud, that is: Judah becoming re-established in Israel, they would see it all. Matthew 24:32-34
Ezekiel 12:25 I the Lord will speak and what I will, it shall come to pass and will be put off no longer. You rebellious people, [Judah] in your lifetime and in your days, I will do what I have spoken.
Ezekiel 12:27.....these prophesies are for a time in the distant future.
As the State of Israel has just celebrated their 68th year since establishment, there is just 2 more years in which the Lord will take action and judging by the Middle East situation, that timeframe is quite likely.

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You have to be pretty sure you are understanding Jesus just the right way regarding just what he meant, with leaving no variation from it possible. Millerites had a time set for it, almost 170 years ago, and weren't right, and the Jehovah's Witnesses now don't want to admit they gave great significance to 1914 for it. We are told we are not knowing the time for it, that pretty much is it, but we can watch signs for its approaching. And the point that America will have no significant presence for the end time scenario is not being considered with the response. Any cities are subject to great collapse, as there is prophecy of that for some cities, with general godlessness among them, and as such has happened to some, over time.

FredVB, please clarify what the 'it' is you are referring to.
Is 'it' the Return of Jesus, or something before that?

keras said:

Re the 70 year lifetime of the generation alive since 1948:
Jesus did say that the generation who saw the fig tree bud, that is: Judah becoming re-established in Israel, they would see it all.

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FredVB said:

You have to be pretty sure you are understanding Jesus just the right way regarding just what he meant, with leaving no variation from it possible. Millerites had a time set for it, 170 years ago, and weren't right, and the Jehovah's Witnesses now don't want to admit they gave great significance to 1914 for it. We are told we are not knowing the time for it, that pretty much is it, but we can watch signs for its approaching. And the point that America will have no significant presence for the end time scenario is not being considered with the response. Any cities are subject to great collapse, as there is prophecy of that for some cities, with general godlessness among them, and as such has happened to some, over time.

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keras said:

FredVB, please clarify what the 'it' is you are referring to.
Is 'it' the Return of Jesus, or something before that?

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My response was to what you were saying, my use of 'it' is referring to what I understood that you meant with 'it', the end time scenarios that are written in prophecies in the Bible. I believe too that those which are yet to happen will happen. But as Jesus said, none will know when it will happen before it does happen, but as he said, we can be aware of signs of it approaching. But others have announced the time that believers would be taken before, which is generally linked to when the end time scenarios will happen, those ones were wrong. History has many of such, we can't have more certainty now, that it will all happen so soon from now. But I also show good argument involving America having no meaningful presence in those times. Great tribulation will come which is in prophecy, but believers can still go through many troubles in their society, as they have in many ways through history, and still suffer in some places, still before being taken, which is for removing them from disasters of Yahweh God's judgment, which remains on the unrepentant, for all wickedness which continues.

FredVB said:

My response was to what you were saying, my use of 'it' is referring to what I understood that you meant with 'it', the end time scenarios that are written in prophecies in the Bible. I believe too that those which are yet to happen will happen. But as Jesus said, none will know when it will happen before it does happen, but as he said, we can be aware of signs of it approaching. But others have announced the time that believers would be taken before, which is generally linked to when the end time scenarios will happen, those ones were wrong. History has many of such, we can't have more certainty now, that it will all happen so soon from now

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I do not say I know for certain any dates the end time events will commence. Obviously it's very close now.
I see the Lord's Day of wrath as the next prophesied thing to happen. That is the Day no one knows. Whereas the glorious Return of Jesus will be known by anyone with a Bible, that tells in Daniel and Revelation; in seven prophesies, of the exact period between the desecration of the Temple and the Return.

FredVB said:

But I also show good argument involving America having no meaningful presence in those times. Great tribulation will come which is in prophecy, but believers can still go through many troubles in their society, as they have in many ways through history, and still suffer in some places, still before being taken, which is for removing them from disasters of Yahweh God's judgment, which remains on the unrepentant, for all wickedness which continues.

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I agree that all the worlds nations as they are at present, including the USA, will lose their strength on the Day of wrath. Hosea 2:18, Jeremiah 50:27
I disagree that the Lord will remove His people from God's Judgement. Everyone must face the time of testing. 1 Peter 3:12, 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
The Lord will hear those who trust Him and will save and protect them. Acts 2:21, Psalms 23:4

keras said:

I do not say I know for certain any dates the end time events will commence. Obviously it's very close now.
I see the Lord's Day of wrath as the next prophesied thing to happen. That is the Day no one knows. Whereas the glorious Return of Jesus will be known by anyone with a Bible, that tells in Daniel and Revelation; in seven prophesies, of the exact period between the desecration of the Temple and the Return.
I agree that all the worlds nations as they are at present, including the USA, will lose their strength on the Day of wrath. Hosea 2:18, Jeremiah 50:27
I disagree that the Lord will remove His people from God's Judgement. Everyone must face the time of testing. 1 Peter 3:12, 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
The Lord will hear those who trust Him and will save and protect them. Acts 2:21, Psalms 23:4

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It is not obvious to me that is close. I don't see it is the case that the wrath of Yahweh is the next thing in prophecy. For instance, in the new testament of the Bible in prophecy there is a very great deception coming on all in the world who aren't repenting, before the coming wrath. America will become irrelevant before that. And judgment is not for the redeemed to experience, Christ bore it all for them.

FredVB said:

It is not obvious to me that is close

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Yes, going by past failed predictions, where well-meaning people thought the 'end was nigh', it seems sensible to say: What has happened to His promised Coming? Our ancestors have died and everything goes on just as it always has done....2 Peter 3:4
However, it is obvious that there is a convergence of signs that point to a forthcoming dramatic worldwide change. Too much to list here, but the critical one is Iran now ready and waiting for the right moment to 'wipe Israel off the map'.
God has given us plenty of information about these end times. Do you choose to discount it?

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Gen 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.KJV

Gen. 7:4 For in seven days I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and every living thing that I have made I will blot out from the face of the ground.” ESV

Gen. 7:4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.” NIV

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

According to scripture, Noah knew the day exactly when the rain would start the flood. Do you believe the Church, the Body of Christ will receive like knowledge of he onset of the start of the tribulation events .

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No, Noah's experience was a foretelling of what is coming, regarding the entire history of the world.

keras said:

Yes, going by past failed predictions, where well-meaning people thought the 'end was nigh'

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Do you include the Apostles among those "well meaning people" who thought and taught that "the end was nigh" but who's predictions failed?

parousia70 said:

Do you include the Apostles among those "well meaning people" who thought and taught that "the end was nigh" but who's predictions failed?

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No Bible prophecy has failed, just a lot hasn't been fulfilled as yet. There is no comparison between Harold Camping and the Apostles.
Your whole premise of what 'must soon take place', Revelation 1:1, thinking that means basically at the time of writing; is fatally flawed.
1/ When the prophesies will happen, is in God's timing.
2/ They are for 'His servants'. All true Christians are His servants, then and now.
3/ There is no historical record of what is prophesied in Revelation, or in most of the NT and OT. The cosmic events, for example, have not happened, but they are clearly stated as something that can and will happen.

Parousia, you are another one who writes as though you hold the moral high ground. I put it to you, that such an attitude places you in judgement. The stupid picture you have in every post, is an affront to everyone, showing how careless you are of others here and how little you consider anything we say.

keras said:

No Bible prophecy has failed, just a lot hasn't been fulfilled as yet. There is no comparison between Harold Camping and the Apostles.
Your whole premise of what 'must soon take place', Revelation 1:1, thinking that means basically at the time of writing; is fatally flawed.

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There are over 100 instances in the NT of Jesus and the Apostles claiming "the end is nigh" or derivatives of such, and Jesus Himself blesses the literal, Human interpretation of such language in Matthew 24:33.

Can you point to any eschatological doctrine you uphold that is mentioned over 100 times in scripture?

Can you conversely point to any other Biblical teaching mentioned over 100 times that you likewise ignore, spiritualize, disregard or otherwise reject a literal interpretation for, they way you do with these?

The stupid picture you have in every post, is an affront to everyone, showing how careless you are of others here and how little you consider anything we say.

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I'm sorry my picture has touched such a sensitive nerve with you keras. I happen like the picture. It does not violate any CF rule that I'm aware of, but feel free to report me if you think otherwise. That you find silhouettes of dancing animals offensive is your issue. I'm not responsible for what you choose to be offended by.