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Recently I posted a thread in another section about my being terrified of marriage. I got a few suggestions sort of and I've been mulling around with this whole idea of why I hate the idea of a Biblical Christian Marriage for a while. I say it feels like a trap or it feels like bondage. So I've been searching the scriptures and I stumbled upon one verse in particular that kinda hit me on what might actually be my issue.

"In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself." - Ephesians 5:28

I don't think the problem is that I'd 'HATE' my wife... But I think about myself. If I am supposed to treat my wife like 'myself', I'm supposed to supposedly 'LOVE HER' like I 'LOVE MYSELF' and yet when I consider that course of action, the truth hits me that I do not LOVE myself.. So how would I see a marriage any differently?

The Truth is that I loathe myself. I hate myself for every mistake, every error, every concept that doesn't match to my own created standard. Instead of putting Gods Word in front of me and believing in that, that I mean something and worth something, I've just always learned to hate myself and it's always been easier than learning to love myself and accept my flaws.

I need advice on how one is supposed to 'LOVE' themselves when all they see in themselves is their mistakes and errors and faults and flaws and can't accept them. How do I love myself when I've grown accustomed to hating myself? It's almost as if it's a space of comfort to hate myself. It's what I know and I don't know how to stop it. How am I supposed to 'LOVE' myself when I can't stand myself? And furthermore, how am I supposed to go in to a Marriage with negative thoughts of how horrible it's gonna be, when it's probably me myself and I that's the issue and not the marriage itself?
 

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Your status shows- in relationship.
How are you doing with showing love
and appreciation to someone else?

I've heard it said that a person can only love to the
point that they love themselves.

If you have negative thoughts/feelings towards
marriage-- love relationships-- I'd suggest counseling, search out where those thoughts are coming from--
work out your problems before you go any further.
 
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I need advice on how one is supposed to 'LOVE' themselves when all they see in themselves is their mistakes and errors and faults and flaws and can't accept them. How do I love myself when I've grown accustomed to hating myself? It's almost as if it's a space of comfort to hate myself.
The Lord has commanded us to forgive. And that is true whether it's others or our own selves that need the forgiveness. The point in either case is that we are taking ourselves off the judge's bench, and giving that seat to Whom it rightfully belongs, the One who alone can judge rightly and with full compassion, the Lord Himself. We who see through a glass darkly, and who stand only by grace, are not fit for the job.

Stay in the Word and in prayer, and whenever the bitter root of unforgiveness arises, catch it and take authority over it. Cast it down and replace it with forgiveness. In time your new position will be as comfortable as your present one, and more so because it will be one of power, love and a sound mind.

The marriage thing will work itself out as this is taken care of. The Lord tells us to clean the inside of the cup, and the outside will be cleaned as well.
 
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I need advice on how one is supposed to 'LOVE' themselves when all they see in themselves is their mistakes and errors and faults and flaws and can't accept them. How do I love myself when I've grown accustomed to hating myself? It's almost as if it's a space of comfort to hate myself. It's what I know and I don't know how to stop it. How am I supposed to 'LOVE' myself when I can't stand myself? And furthermore, how am I supposed to go in to a Marriage with negative thoughts of how horrible it's gonna be, when it's probably me myself and I that's the issue and not the marriage itself?

Hi friend, can you believe that God loves you as you are? This is a good starting point. The whole miracle of reconciliation with God is He sees us through loving eyes despite our shortfalls. When we make a mistake God wants us to pick ourselves up, brush ourselves off and move forward - always. Can I suggest you make a plan to agree with God? You are providing fuel for your enemy in the area of hatred toward yourself. Satan is the one that will grind you into the ground with these lies if you let him. Fall on your knees, ask God to forgive you for agreeing with the devil. Choose to believe that through the sacrifice of Christ God loves you, is for you, will never leave you. Ask God to help you to bind those thoughts and replace them with truths from the sword of God. When you understand the truth of God's love towards you, you will be free to love others as Christ has loved you.
 
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Once you have a negative thought about yourself, you could immediately think of Scriptures that state who you really are such as:
-Yahweh loves you with an everlasting love (John 3:16-17, Jer 31)
'...even the very hairs of your head are all numbered." Luke 12:7 (which are constantly changing)
"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end." Jer 29:11
You've been sealed with The Holy Spirit of promise "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," Eph 1:13 +++++
This is applying II Cor 10:5 and Rom 12:2.
 
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the first step is to yield to God's judgment; He loves you because He's so good, regardless of your performance - when you find yourself beating yourself up for your mistakes, try to remember that you're arguing with Him by doing so :)
 
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Recently I posted a thread in another section about my being terrified of marriage. I got a few suggestions sort of and I've been mulling around with this whole idea of why I hate the idea of a Biblical Christian Marriage for a while. I say it feels like a trap or it feels like bondage. So I've been searching the scriptures and I stumbled upon one verse in particular that kinda hit me on what might actually be my issue.

"In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself." - Ephesians 5:28

I don't think the problem is that I'd 'HATE' my wife... But I think about myself. If I am supposed to treat my wife like 'myself', I'm supposed to supposedly 'LOVE HER' like I 'LOVE MYSELF' and yet when I consider that course of action, the truth hits me that I do not LOVE myself.. So how would I see a marriage any differently?

The Truth is that I loathe myself. I hate myself for every mistake, every error, every concept that doesn't match to my own created standard. Instead of putting Gods Word in front of me and believing in that, that I mean something and worth something, I've just always learned to hate myself and it's always been easier than learning to love myself and accept my flaws.

I need advice on how one is supposed to 'LOVE' themselves when all they see in themselves is their mistakes and errors and faults and flaws and can't accept them. How do I love myself when I've grown accustomed to hating myself? It's almost as if it's a space of comfort to hate myself. It's what I know and I don't know how to stop it. How am I supposed to 'LOVE' myself when I can't stand myself? And furthermore, how am I supposed to go in to a Marriage with negative thoughts of how horrible it's gonna be, when it's probably me myself and I that's the issue and not the marriage itself?

We can't give medical advice on the forums, but if you really have deep seated feelings of self-hatred or depression, you may need to seek professional help. I would not worry about religious questions regarding marriage or other relationships until you find peace with yourself. Good luck.
 
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Thank you everyone, for your wonderful advice and words...

Some days it is just harder to hear and listen to the voice of God reminding me who I am in Him than it is to give in to the enemy and his lies about how worthless and useless of a human being I am. I am thankful for people like you who are there to lift someone up when he feels beaten to the ground rather than continuously kick him like many others do.

I am very appreciative for your words and help and I am going to do my best to remember what God thinks of me.

Does anyone have any sermons or videos about learning to 'forgive and love' ones self or something to that effect? It would be very much appreciated. I can't seem to find any online. Maybe reading a few or seeing a few videos might help me along too...

Blessings to all!
 
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I have come to the same conclusion as you lately. I don't love myself. I don't even like myself much. Realistically speaking, I'm not that bad. Some others may even think they like me. I just find it hard to accept. Years ago I didn't think I knew how to love God. So I asked Him to show me how and He helped me. Now I am asking God to show me how to love myself. I don't really expect instant results. Like you said, it varies from day to day. But I used to focus on everything I did wrong and everything I should've done but didn't do. Now I am just trying to do the things I think I should do. If I am not met with immediate success I try again. I trust that I have started a process of healing. I hope some of my thoughts are helpful to you.
 
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Some days it is just harder to hear and listen to the voice of God reminding me who I am in Him than it is to give in to the enemy and his lies about how worthless and useless of a human being I am.
Does anyone have any sermons or videos about learning to 'forgive and love' ones self or something to that effect?
Here is one I really like about resisting the devil's accusations against us. Watch how the Lord's grace turned the situation into something good. A good study of Rom 6-8 would help as well.
 
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Recently I posted a thread in another section about my being terrified of marriage. I got a few suggestions sort of and I've been mulling around with this whole idea of why I hate the idea of a Biblical Christian Marriage for a while. I say it feels like a trap or it feels like bondage. So I've been searching the scriptures and I stumbled upon one verse in particular that kinda hit me on what might actually be my issue.

"In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself." - Ephesians 5:28

I don't think the problem is that I'd 'HATE' my wife... But I think about myself. If I am supposed to treat my wife like 'myself', I'm supposed to supposedly 'LOVE HER' like I 'LOVE MYSELF' and yet when I consider that course of action, the truth hits me that I do not LOVE myself.. So how would I see a marriage any differently?

The Truth is that I loathe myself. I hate myself for every mistake, every error, every concept that doesn't match to my own created standard. Instead of putting Gods Word in front of me and believing in that, that I mean something and worth something, I've just always learned to hate myself and it's always been easier than learning to love myself and accept my flaws.

I need advice on how one is supposed to 'LOVE' themselves when all they see in themselves is their mistakes and errors and faults and flaws and can't accept them. How do I love myself when I've grown accustomed to hating myself? It's almost as if it's a space of comfort to hate myself. It's what I know and I don't know how to stop it. How am I supposed to 'LOVE' myself when I can't stand myself? And furthermore, how am I supposed to go in to a Marriage with negative thoughts of how horrible it's gonna be, when it's probably me myself and I that's the issue and not the marriage itself?

you bring up two issues, 1. that of loving others as yourself. Notice it says nothing at all about hating others like you hate yourself. So, how do you love yourself? You feed yourself, groom yourself, fight for your rights,. Most people, even those who hate themselves, look out for themselves and don't want to be mistreated in any way. They want gain for themselves. In fact, for most, they wrongly assume that if they were giving more "rights", more comforts, if they were taken better care of by others, they wouldn't have to hate themselves.

Most people wrongly assume that the opposite of Love is hate, this is false. The opposite of Biblical Love is pride. Pride is something we all battle no matter if we hate ourselves or not. (The core of biblical Love is humility, therefore the opposite is pride, just to cut to the core of what is bound to become an argument before this is over)

2. Hatred...the hatred you speak of in your post is that of disgust at who you are. So my comments are based solely on how I read and understand your post. From the sounds of your post, what you are doing is seeing the sin nature and detesting that part of you. What you need to do is see the image of God that replaces the sin image when we come to Christ. It is all to common among people who want to do what is right but end up doing what is wrong. Look at how Paul describes himself...."Romans 7:24...oh the wretch that I am....you need a change of vision, whether that has happened and you can't see it or it hasn't happened yet is between you and God, but a change of vision would correct the problem Romans 6:6 and Colossians 2:11
 
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2. Hatred...the hatred you speak of in your post is that of disgust at who you are. So my comments are based solely on how I read and understand your post. From the sounds of your post, what you are doing is seeing the sin nature and detesting that part of you. What you need to do is see the image of God that replaces the sin image when we come to Christ. It is all to common among people who want to do what is right but end up doing what is wrong. Look at how Paul describes himself...."Romans 7:24...oh the wretch that I am....you need a change of vision, whether that has happened and you can't see it or it hasn't happened yet is between you and God, but a change of vision would correct the problem Romans 6:6 and Colossians 2:11[/QUOTE]

How do I change my vision of myself? I've only ever known the one of DISGUST, as you said. Maybe I've never had an actual change in that vision. When I came to know Christ and I love Christ, it's because He still loves me, despite me being a disgusting creature and for all of my detestable sins and failures. But that doesn't change for me. I'm still disgusting and wretched in my own sight. Not sure that God would see me any differently. Only that He still loves me for how I am and forgives me when I mess up.

I know that God might see me one way, but I don't see myself that same way. I know I want to change that. I'm just not sure exactly how God sees me. I know He no longer sees my past Sins, but how can He see me as something other than how I see myself when all I do is mess up, even after He's forgiven me?
 
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Here is one I really like about resisting the devil's accusations against us. Watch how the Lord's grace turned the situation into something good. A good study of Rom 6-8 would help as well.
Thank you, Paul!!! :)
 
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2. Hatred...the hatred you speak of in your post is that of disgust at who you are. So my comments are based solely on how I read and understand your post. From the sounds of your post, what you are doing is seeing the sin nature and detesting that part of you. What you need to do is see the image of God that replaces the sin image when we come to Christ. It is all to common among people who want to do what is right but end up doing what is wrong. Look at how Paul describes himself...."Romans 7:24...oh the wretch that I am....you need a change of vision, whether that has happened and you can't see it or it hasn't happened yet is between you and God, but a change of vision would correct the problem Romans 6:6 and Colossians 2:11

How do I change my vision of myself? I've only ever known the one of DISGUST, as you said. Maybe I've never had an actual change in that vision. When I came to know Christ and I love Christ, it's because He still loves me, despite me being a disgusting creature and for all of my detestable sins and failures. But that doesn't change for me. I'm still disgusting and wretched in my own sight. Not sure that God would see me any differently. Only that He still loves me for how I am and forgives me when I mess up.

I know that God might see me one way, but I don't see myself that same way. I know I want to change that. I'm just not sure exactly how God sees me. I know He no longer sees my past Sins, but how can He see me as something other than how I see myself when all I do is mess up, even after He's forgiven me?[/QUOTE]
it is the sin in your life you are seeing, it is that sin you cannot get past. First, take courage that if your sin disgusts you, you are sharing the heart of Christ, for sin also is detestable to Him. Second, cleanse yourself daily of all unrighteousness. We often think about our sins as being the only thing about us that needs cleansed, when in fact, even living in the sinful world we live in causes us to need to be cleansed. This happens through the word of God (study the word) and the blood of the Lamb, (confession and repentance) Thirdly, renew your mind, take your thoughts captive and put those thoughts on the things of God. Finally, seek God and ask Him to reveal to you HIs image...the image He created you to have. The new man you have become in HIm. Ask HIm to give you sight where you are now blind.

I have two great studies, you can do them on your own and it would take me a while to find one of them, the first is how to forgive in general (part of another study so would take a little bit to find the portion you would need) and who we are in Christ. In the study of who we are in Christ, it is helpful to take one of those things and meditate on it all day or week, this is an act of renewing our minds.
 
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Expressions of Love list of who I am in Christ...



Love...

I am completed in Christ (Colossians 2:10)

I died with Christ and died to the power of sin's rule over my life (Romans 6:1-6)

Since I have died, I no longer live for myself, but for Christ (II Corinthians 5:14, 15)

I have been made righteous (II Corinthians 5:21)

I have been spiritually circumcised (Colossians 2:11)





Romantic...

I have been chosen and appointed to bear fruit (John 15:16)

I am seated with Christ in the heavenly realm (Ephesians 2:6)

I was chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world to be holy and am without blame before Him (Ephesians 1:4)



Father...

I am God's child (John 1:12)

I have been adopted as God's child (Ephesians 1:5)





King...

I am a member of Christ's body (I Corinthians 12:27)

I have direct access to God through the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 2:18)

I am free from condemnation (Romans 8:1,2)

I am a citizen of heaven (Philippians 3:20)

I am born of God and the evil one cannot touch me (I John 5:18)

I have been rescued from the domain of Satan's rule and transferred to the kingdom of Christ (Colossians 1:13)





Friend...

I am Christ's friend (John 15:15)

I may approach God with freedom and confidence (Ephesians 3:12)

I have received the spirit of God into my life that I might know the things freely given to me by God (I Corinthians 2:12)





Savior...

I have been justified (Romans 5:1)

I have been bought with a price ~ I belong to God (I Corinthians 6:20)

I am a saint (Ephesians 1:1)

I have been redeemed and forgiven for all my sins (Colossians 1:14)

I can find grace and mercy in time of need (Hebrews 4:16)







Servant...

I am free from any condemning charges against me (Romans 8:31-34)

I have been established, anointed, and sealed by God (II Corinthians 1:21, 22)

I can be confident that the good work that God has begun in me will be perfected (Philippians 1:6)

I am God's coworker (II Corinthians 6:1)

I have been blessed with every spiritual blessing (Ephesians 1:3)

I have been redeemed and forgiven, and I am a recipient of His lavish grace (Ephesians 1:17)





Shepherd...

I am firmly rooted in Christ and am now being built in Him (Colossians 2:7)





Master Craftsman...

I have not been given a spirit of fear but of power, Love, and a sound mind (II Timothy 1:7)

I am God's workmanship (Ephesians 2:10)





Comforter...

I am united with the Lord and one with Him in spirit (I Corinthians 6:17)

I have direct access to God through the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 2:18)

I am the salt and light of the earth (Matthew 5:13)

I am a branch of the true vine, a channel of His life (John 15:1,5)

I am a personal witness of Christ's (Acts 1:8)

I am God's temple (I Corinthians 3:16)

I have been crucified with christ and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. The life I am now living is Christ's life (Galatians 2:20)

Christ Himself is in me (Colossians 1:27)







Brother...

I am hidden with Christ in God (Colossians 3:3)

I am a minister of reconciliation (II Corinthians 5:17-20)

I have been established, anointed, and sealed by God in Christ, and I have been given the Holy Spirit as a pledge guaranteeing my inheritance to come (II Corinthians 1:21, Ephesians 1:13, 14)

Because I am sanctified and am one with the Sanctifier, He is not ashamed to call me brother (Hebrews 2:11)





God...

I am assured that all things work together for good (Romans 8:28)

I cannot be separated from the Love of God (Romans 8:35-39)

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me (Philippians 4:13)

I have been placed into Christ by God's doing (I Corinthians 1:30)

I have been given the mind of Christ (I Corinthians 2:16)

I have been made alive together with Christ (Ephesians 2:5)

I have been buried, raised and made alive with Christ (Colossians 2:12,13)

I have been saved and set apart according to God's doing (II Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5)

I have been given exceedingly great and precious promises by God by which I am a partaker of God's divine nature (II Peter 1:4)
 
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How do I change my vision of myself? I've only ever known the one of DISGUST, as you said. Maybe I've never had an actual change in that vision. When I came to know Christ and I love Christ, it's because He still loves me, despite me being a disgusting creature and for all of my detestable sins and failures.

God is bigger than you. God's opinion carries more weight. By God's opinion He can simply will a habitable planet into being ... .. by your opinion can you even change coffee into tea? Try it. Try to turn coffee into tea with your will & when you have reached the end of trying. .. accept that God could. God made coffee and God made tea, there is nothing reasonable to suggest that if He made these things He couldn't change one into the other. Can you, in an empty cup, will tea or coffee into being? no?

Part of God's mercy is deliverance from our own self judgement. It requires sacrifice of our own opinion & exchange for God's. If you really believe in God & His salvation through Jesus Christ. .. . how is it so hard to believe His opinion over yours regarding self worth?
 
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How do I change my vision of myself? I've only ever known the one of DISGUST, as you said. Maybe I've never had an actual change in that vision. When I came to know Christ and I love Christ, it's because He still loves me, despite me being a disgusting creature and for all of my detestable sins and failures. But that doesn't change for me. I'm still disgusting and wretched in my own sight. Not sure that God would see me any differently. Only that He still loves me for how I am and forgives me when I mess up.

I know that God might see me one way, but I don't see myself that same way. I know I want to change that. I'm just not sure exactly how God sees me. I know He no longer sees my past Sins, but how can He see me as something other than how I see myself when all I do is mess up, even after He's forgiven me?
it is the sin in your life you are seeing, it is that sin you cannot get past. First, take courage that if your sin disgusts you, you are sharing the heart of Christ, for sin also is detestable to Him. Second, cleanse yourself daily of all unrighteousness. We often think about our sins as being the only thing about us that needs cleansed, when in fact, even living in the sinful world we live in causes us to need to be cleansed. This happens through the word of God (study the word) and the blood of the Lamb, (confession and repentance) Thirdly, renew your mind, take your thoughts captive and put those thoughts on the things of God. Finally, seek God and ask Him to reveal to you HIs image...the image He created you to have. The new man you have become in HIm. Ask HIm to give you sight where you are now blind.

I have two great studies, you can do them on your own and it would take me a while to find one of them, the first is how to forgive in general (part of another study so would take a little bit to find the portion you would need) and who we are in Christ. In the study of who we are in Christ, it is helpful to take one of those things and meditate on it all day or week, this is an act of renewing our minds.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I believe what you are saying is mostly true. I never feel as disgusted with myself as when I struggle with my perpetual Sins that I desire to over come more than anything else. I'm glad that at least I have some sort of desire to be Holy rather than enjoying my Sin. I'd prefer to suffer from a desire of being Holy than be happy in my Sin and be lost.

But I think it might be a little more than that also. Many people on here have just told me, 'Go get professional help.' - I tend to get upset at myself whenever I make errors or mistakes in life. I've been called a PERFECTIONIST before and I find that maybe that might also be a little true. Is this in the same spectrum of what we are talking about? Or is this an entirely different issue that I need to confront? =/ Sorry, I don't mean to try and force answers out of you that you probably don't have, since you aren't me, but just wondering if you've ever come across these issues... Might help me to some extent...
 
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The second half of this idea of debtors, takes us to a couple of parables that are worth our attention...as we forgive our debtors. I am of the opinion that anyone who does not understand how difficult it can be to forgive someone has never really had enough evils committed against them. Forgiving someone who has sinned against you, can be an excruciatingly difficult thing to do, for this reason, we are going to look at two aspects of forgiving others. The first is why we should forgive and the second is various ways and truths that will help us to be able to forgive.

Matthew 18:21-35 is a parable about the Kingdom of heaven. Notice here that it is about the Kingdom in which God reigns supreme, not the kingdom of this world that Satan is currently running. It is important for us to understand that this is a spiritual matter, not a fleshly one. That being said, remember that the spirit and flesh of man are connected. In fact, when we forgive others, it is more about us and less about them than you might realize. Forgiveness is an act of Love, a Love that begins with humility. In other words, forgiving someone who has done you wrong, is about humbling yourself to the point in which you can say, I submit even this to the Lord of Lords and King of Kings. It is to become so humble that you can accept that this thing has come to you for the purpose of building in you the character of Christ. The world may have intended to do you evil, but in the hands of the living God, this evil that has befallen can and will make you more like Christ if you allow it into your life. Thus prayer is a place of yielding even our pride to God so that in that, we can find forgiveness. Even Christ's very suffering and death speaks to us of this truth. Man plotted evil against the Christ, yet God intended that evil to bring about the salvation of many. (Genesis 50:19-20; Genesis 45:5-7; Acts 2:23-24) The people of Biblical day were looking for a King, what they found was a baby in a manger, who willingly went to the cross, because that was what God ordained. When we become humble enough to yield ourselves, even the evils done to us, to God, to allow Him to work, use, and reveal the good He has within them, our lives change, our wills change and in place of the anger, hurt, bitter feelings, we find joy, contentment, and Love. So, back to our story....this is the Kingdom of heaven we are talking about, not the kingdom of this world. This is something the world cannot understand, it is a spiritual matter therefore, done in the power of the Holy Spirit, not our own power.

Jesus is asked the question, how many times should we forgive, Jesus replies with 70 X 7 and this parable about the Kingdom we are to be living in. There is a King, who wants to settle the accounts of his servants. The first servant is brought before the King and his debt is read. In order to pay the debt, the man will have to sell all that he owns, including his family in order to have enough money to square the debt and free himself from the bondage of that debt. But the man loves his family dearly, and so he pleas to the King to give him more time. He promises to repay the debt if only he is extended a period of grace. The King however, is not just willing to give the man a period of grace, but He is also willing to completely erase what the man owes. The man has received the favor of the King though he did not deserve it.

This is the story of every believer. We owe a debt. The debt is huge, it's death. A debt too large for us to pay, even with an extended period to pay it. You and I could live for thousands of years and never be able to repay the debt we owe for the sins we have committed. And so, the King, the God of heaven and earth, listens to our pleas and says, “I'll do you one better, I will forgive you your debt. I will allow your debt to be mine and in that you will find freedom from your bondage of debt.” This gift is so great that most of us are reduced to tears and amazing depths of gratitude that our debt, that which we owed, was forgiven, no strings attached. We become overwhelmed by the fact, that the King would show us such favor. But, for many of us, that compassion that was shown, is quickly overshadowed by our own prideful thoughts. We begin to allow our pride to convince us that we were somehow special, something worthy of such grace. We forget who we were and how desperate we were to try to make things right with our King. Our pride tells us that we are somehow greater than the grace that was shown, that somehow, we are superior to others.

In our story, the man who was forgive his great debt, goes to a man that owes him much less. In his pride, he demands that the debt that is owed him is paid in full. The man who owes much less, pleads with the man to give him more time, time to collect enough, to save enough, to find enough work to repay the debt. The man whom the King had forgiven forgets the debt he owed was forgiven in grace and compassion and Love, and insists that if the man cannot pay, he be thrown into prison until the debt has been settled. The man allowed two things to get in his way of forgiveness, pride (I John 2:16; Proverbs 27:20; Romans 13:14; Ephesians 2:3; James 4:16) and forgetting who he had once been. (James 1:23-25; Romans 2:13; Romans 8:2; Galatians 6:2; James 2:12; I Peter 2:16; Galatians 5:13). Like in our everyday lives, people watch how we behave, whether or not the grace and compassion that God showed us is evident in our lives, so the people of the story, watched the man and when he had his debtor thrown into jail for not paying the debt, they went straight to the King and reported to Him. The King had the man whom He had forgiven brought before Him to which He asked this question, “I forgave you, I showed you mercy, compassion, and Love, shouldn't you have shown the same to the one who owed you?” (Ephesians 5:1-2; Matthew 5:48; Luke 6:36; Ephesians 4:32) You see, as a servant of the King, the man who had been forgiven by the King was suppose to represent the King and His will to the people of the Kingdom. (Philippians 2:15; Deuteronomy 32:5; Proverbs 4:18; Matthew 5:14-15; I Peter 2:12) This meant that he was to show the same grace, compassion, and Love that was shown to him, so that the people could understand who the King really was and how much He deserved their loyalty.

Well, to finish the story, the King was so angry with the man, that He had the man thrown into jail and allowed the jail keepers to torture as they pleased. Then in verse 35, we see this promise. (HSCB) So My heavenly Father will also do to you if each of you does not forgive his brother from his heart." Forgiveness is a demonstration of the grace we have found in Christ and as such, it is how we represent our King to a lost and dying world. But notice the end of the verse, this is a genuine forgiveness not just someone standing in front of you like your parents might have done, and demand that you apologize for something or even accept an apology that was given. Forgiveness that does not erupt from a circumcised heart is not forgiveness at all. Christ's forgiveness for our debt is to be such a consuming fire, that it transforms our desires into His and in that, we learn to desire to forgive others who have done us wrong.

Our first understanding then of why we should forgive, is two fold: 1. because we have been forgiven in that forgiveness is humility and Love and 2. because we are servants of the King and as such, we are to demonstrate His laws and characteristics. Now let's look at Luke 7:36-50 and there find the story of a woman who was known for her sins. She comes to Jesus who happens to be visiting at the house of a Pharisee, a prominent religious man of the day. When she finds Jesus, she kneels before his feet and weeps. The tears that she is crying, cascade onto Him, the Christ and wash His feet. When the woman sees the tears on her Master's feet, she unties her hair and dries them with the only thing she has available. Then she takes a fragrant oil and covers His feet with lotion. While all this is going on, the Pharisee, a religious man of the day, begins to observe the situation through the eyes of the world, rather than the eyes of Christ and there, questions Christ's claims to be from God, His claim to speak the words of God (a prophet). “For surely,” the Pharisee says, “if He was a prophet, He would know that this woman is a sinner.” Jesus knows what is going on and replies with a question. There were two debtors, the Christ said, both were forgiven, which one loves more? The Pharisee replies, the one who had the bigger debt forgiven. Jesus acknowledges this was the answer He was looking for, and tells the woman her sins are forgiven, her faith has saved her.

To many this story is about the power and authority of Christ to forgive sins as we see in the Pharisee. To others, it's a story about how our sins are forgiven by faith, faith being trust in that for which we believe. Today, we want to consider this passage in light of what it tells us about forgiveness. Not only are we commanded to forgive, but here we see that forgiveness is a mark, a measure so to speak. It is a measure of how much we have been forgiven and how much others will “owe” us if we have much to forgive and do so. Forgiveness for our sins is the benchmark of the Christian faith. Without forgiveness of the debt we owe, there is no salvation, no sanctification, no cleansing, no heavenly home. Forgiveness not only marks the man whose life has begun, but it is a grace that makes the one we forgive grateful to us. Now, let's take a moment to remember that forgiveness here is a reconciling. We can forgive without reconciliation. In this case we are talking about the one who repents. That does not mean that we allow a known child abuser to watch our children because we reconciled with them, it does however mean that we no longer push that person to the outer world and never allow any contact with them. We no longer walk on the opposite side of the street, but now, we greet them, we are friendly, kind, compassionate, rejoicing with them in truth, keeping no record of wrongs to throw up in their face the first time we become scared that the behavior will repeat itself, etc. (I Corinthians 13) So, forgiveness is also about our gratitude to God and the reward we gain from forgiving someone of great wrongs.

But talking about forgiveness and doing it are not always the same thing. So let's look into some of the ways we can learn to forgive, even those who have done us great wrongs. The first thing that we want to talk about is who forgiveness is for. Many people are fond of saying that forgiveness is for your own good, but I seldom hear people explain why. I have watched people who have unforgiveness, they become obsessed with the hatred, bitterness, anger, and even sometimes the revenge that they are living in. The death that comes at the hand of this bitter, hostile lifestyle is ugly, but even more so, it is destructive to those that you love as well. Unforgiveness, destroys us and that destruction is very evil and ugly. In that unforgiveness we become obsessed with ourselves, our own pains, hurts, and injustices. Unforgiveness is a poison that slowly eats away at the humility we are called to live in, and in that eroding of our humility, we become even more prideful than we were to begin with. Pride is the root of all sin, as such it is a constant problem for every human being. It is the thing that wars against the Spiritual health we are to have. Romans 7:23 (HCSB) But I see a different law in the parts of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and taking me prisoner to the law of sin in the parts of my body. For the one who is spiritually made alive by the blood of the Lamb, unforgiveness is at war with the indwelling Holy Spirit. Therefore, you will never find rest apart from forgiveness. Forgiveness bring the peace that God promised to bring with His Spirit. (Romans 7:21-25; Romans 8:2; Galatians 5:17; I Peter 2:11; James 4:1) As a place of yielding our wills to the will of God, forgiveness is necessary to end the war, the battle between the old man and the new man. I talked with a man once, who insisted that revenge was superior in matters of enemies like terrorists, or rapists, but the truth of the matter is that unforgiveness breeds within us a war that cannot be won unless or until we learn to forgive. Thus, the first step in learning to forgive, is to desire to humble yourself enough to be willing to forgive. Notice the first step has nothing at all to do with actually forgiving, but rather allowing ourselves to be humble enough to be willing to forgive. For some, this is an almost insurmountable task. S.C. Lewis said, that humility is not thinking less of yourself, but rather thinking of yourself less. Very wise words. Somehow in our minds, be become convinced that if I forgive, I will be less, that I will somehow justify what was done to me and/or my family and in that, allow the offender to boast in his sin and get away scott free. The reality however, is that forgiveness has absolutely nothing at all to do with justifying anything that was done. In fact, it is a condemnation of the act, an admission that the act in question was sinful to both me and God. In reality, when we forgive we become exalted. Forgiving another is to put their evil behind you and continue to run the race that is before you. (Hebrews 12:1; Romans 13:12; I Corinthians 9:25-27; Galatians 2:2) In running competitions it is well known that looking back slows us down, likewise, in the race that is this life, looking behind at the evils that were done to us, slows us from the perseverance to finish the race. It keeps our mind on ourselves rather than on others. If there is one mark that testifies to whether or not we have forgiven, then I would say this is the mark. If we can live in humility, true humility, where our thoughts are on the things of God and our service to Him, rather than on the things that hurt us, if we can look at the one who has done us great harm and have compassion and Love for them, rather than return to the hurt that calls us to think of ourselves, then, we have forgiven. (Philippians 2:3; Romans 2:8)

Once we have humbled ourselves enough to want to forgive, the next step is allowing God to work His miracle within us. To begin this journey, let us look at the reason why this evil came upon us. Hurting others is an act of sin, but the ability to not hurt others is an act of God. Many people only have a head knowledge of who God is, and in that head knowledge they assent to the truth of God. But what they lack is a "circumcision" of the heart, that is a cutting away of the old man and his sinful ways and desires. By desiring to hold onto your anger and resentment, you have no more been circumcised in your heart than the people who hurt you. You are equally guilty, equally sinful, equally hurtful of someone else...without your heart being circumcised, you are no different than the ones who hurt you. Philippians 3:3 (HCSB) For we are the circumcision, the ones who serve by the Spirit of God, boast in Christ Jesus, and do not put confidence in the flesh—forgiveness is an act of yielding control to the Holy Spirit through our allowing Him to cut away all the evil desires of our hearts and plant within us His desires. Thus when we pray with a heart of belief, “not my will but thine be done” we are opening the door for God to fill us with forgiveness for those who have sinned against us. (Romans 2:29; Deuteronomy 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4; Romans 7:6; Colossians 2:11) This is not a matter for the mind to reason, but rather a matter of the heart, the very will of man to accept.

When we humble ourselves enough to desire to forgive, we yield our desires to the living God to change our desires into His desires, the next thing that is helpful to our learning to forgive is to understand what Christ said on the cross, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” What we often fail to understand when we are caught in someone sinning against us, is that when they sinned against us, they also sinned against God. You see, when you are the circumcised of heart, then the evil done to you, is really done to Christ and not you at all. In other words the offense is Christ's, you as a child of the King are being attacked because you are a child of the King, (John 15:18-19; Proverbs 29:27; Matthew 10:22; John 7:7; John 16:33; Acts 14:22; I John 3:1) not because of you as an individual. To attack a prince or a princess is a very serious crime in which your daddy the King will have His revenge in due time. You just have to trust Him to be your avenger. (Romans 12:19; Leviticus 19:18; Leviticus 32:35; Psalms 94:1; Psalms 20:22; Jeremiah 51:36; I Thessalonians 4:6; II Timothy 4:14; Hebrews 10:30) When we begin to understand that first of all, this thing was done to God, because we were carrying the authority of the King and secondly that if the person who hurt us really understood, they would never have touched one of God's children, forgiveness becomes a little bit easier to do. Even if they knew what they were doing, they did not understand the significance or consequences of that action, consequences that are not ours to carry out. As we yield our pride, our desires, our revenge over to God, His humility, His desires, trust that He will not allow this to go unpunished, floods our being and we discover that we have learned to forgive. That does not mean there are no more challenges ahead, but it does mean that we are learning to forgive, one victory at a time. (Galatians 2:20)

It might be helpful to our study to talk about the misconception many people have about forgiveness. Forgiveness and reconciliation are two completely different things. Where it is true that reconciliation cannot happen without forgiveness, forgiveness can happen without reconciliation. Jesus own words on the cross, “Father forgive them for they know not what they do” is a perfect example of forgiveness without reconciliation. (Luke 23:34) I Corinthians 13 tells us that Love keeps no records of wrongs. Look at forgiveness kind of like that. In forgiveness, we no longer hold the sin over the other person demanding that we be avenged for the wrongs committed against us. We cease to make the issue all about us and our pain, in essence we stop having a pity party. We even in forgiveness stop looking for something bad to happen to the other person and instead, we view the offender with the compassion and Love of our Creator, King, and Savior. (Luke 23:34; Matthew 5:44; Romans 5:6-8; Romans 4:25; Romans 8:39; Ephesians 5:2; I John 4:10) Reconciliation however, is to make thing right. Set the record straight, restore what was once broken. (Matthew 5:24; Acts 7:26; Romans 5:10; II Corinthians 5:18-20; Ephesians 2:16; Colossians 1:20-22) We are reconciled to Christ when we accept Him as Lord and Savior of our life. When He becomes Lord in our life, reconciliation happens, yet way back at the cross, He forgave. Likewise, we can forgive someone that refuses to reconcile with us. However, in order for our forgiveness to be complete, we should desire them to be reconciled with God first and others second. Reconciliation does not mean that we trust a rapist or child molester with our unguarded children or daughters, but rather it means that when we see them, we are able to see the Christ in them, no matter how marred, rather than the sin that used to be all that we could see when we saw that person who wronged us. (Hebrews 12:2; II Peter 2:14; I John 2:9-16; I John 3:15-20; II Corinthians 4:4; II Peter 1:9) A change in our vision does not justify the sin, nor does it excuse the sin. Love calls sin sin, but it does mean that we see the person as someone that God Loved enough to send His son to suffer and die so that he could be reconciled to God. In other words, forgiveness opens the door for us to partake in the ministry of reconciliation if and when it is offered. In fact, the very goal of the Love we are to have for our enemy is one of reconciliation.

Now, for a brief word about forgetting. Many people try to argue that you have not really forgiven if you still remember what happened. But God has a different story to tell us about forgiveness. Let's start by looking at the captivity of the children of Israel in Egypt. The children of Israel have an entire celebration, called the Passover, for the purpose of remembering their captivity in Egypt. One of the things they were also suppose to forgive. The argument is used that God throws our sins as far as the east is from the west and remembers them no more. (Psalms 103:12; Hebrews 9:26; Isaiah 43:25; Hebrews 8:12; Isaiah 1:18; Isaiah 38:17; Isaiah 44:22) What is missing from this teaching about forgiveness is that first of all this is how God sees our sin, not how we see the sins of other. In fact, Jesus is our payment for our sins, therefore His forgiveness is so complete that the record is erased. We however, cannot be the payment for someone elses sin, therefore it would be impossible for our forgiveness to bring about a paid debt for the sins that someone else committed. Secondly, this teaching forgets what scripture says about remembering. (Matthew 26:75; Colossians 4:18; Hebrews 13:3; I Thessalonian 2:9; Hebrews 10:32; Revelations 2:5; Revelations 3:3) In fact, remembering does two important things for us, first it reminds us to pray. For example, if Joe hurts me and I remember that pain, I am in forgiveness reminded to pray for Joe and for all those that have been hurt as I have been. Secondly, remembering serves to encourage us to rejoice in the healing and forgiveness that God has provided for us. Let's go back to the children of Israel, (Deuteronomy 5:15) they were to remember their captivity, not as a means of living in the past, but rather as a means of remembering the deliverance that God provided for them. Remembering is an act of being thankful for the blessings God has provided through and despite the affliction. Further consider the story of Joseph in Genesis, Joseph remembered what his brothers had done to him, but he demonstrated a heart that had forgiven, a heart that understood that their plan of evil was really God's plan to bring about good.




As We Forgive our Debtors...

Study Guide




When someone sins against us, why is god allowing it to happen? ______________________________

Genesis 50:19-20; Genesis 45:5-7; Acts 2:23-24




  • A man owes a debt so great that it would cost him everything, even his family. How does the King respond in Matthew 18:21-35?
  • Do we ever forget or trivialize the grace shown to us when the King forgave our debt?



What two things stand in our way of treating those who have sinned against us as the King treated us when He forgave our debt?

  1. I John 2:16; Proverbs 27:20; Romans 13:14; Ephesians 2:3; James 4:16 _____________

  2. James 1:23-25; Romans 2:13; Galatians 5:13; Galatians 6:2; James 2:12; I Peter 2:16; Galatians 5:13 __________________________________________________________


  • Are there witnesses to our behavior?

  • Who are the witnesses to our behavior?

  • Does the King know of our unforgiveness?



What does the King say to us about forgiving? _____________________________________________

Ephesians 5:1-2; Matthew 5:48; Luke 6:36; Ephesians 4:32




How is our forgiving a reflection of the King's forgiveness? __________________________________

Philippians 2:15; Deuteronomy 32:5; Proverbs 4:18; Matthew 5:14-15; I Peter 2:12




Why according to Matthew 18:35 should we be afraid of not forgivening others? Where does this forgiveness come from? _______________________________________________________________




Why should we forgive?

1. Matthew 18:21-35 ___________________________________________________________

2. Matthew 18:21-35 ___________________________________________________________




What should follow forgiveness? ________________________________________________________

Luke 7:36-50




How is unforgiveness harmful to our spiritual relationship with God? ___________________________

Romans 7:21-25; Romans 8:2; Galatians 5:17; I Peter 2:11; James 4:1




Steps to Forgiveness:

  1. Humble yourself enough to desire to forgive those who have sinned against you.

    A. Forgiving another is not affirming their sin but what? _________________________

    1. Hebrews 12:1; Romans 13:12; I Corinthains 9:25-27; Galatians 2:2
B. Forgiveness allows us to put our attention on who? ___________________________

Philippians 2:3; Romans 2:8

2. Allow God to work in you to learn to forgive others.

A. Unforgiveness is a sin not unlike the sin of the person we are not forgiving.

B. Forgiveness is an work of what? __________________________________________

Romans 2:29; Deuteronomy 30:6; John 4:4; Romans 7:6; Colossians 2:11

3. Understanding Christ's words on the cross when He said, “Father, forgiven them for they know not what they do.”

A. The sins committed against the true believer are committed against who? _________

John 15:18-19; Proverbs 29:27; Matthew 10:22; John 7:7; John 16:33; Acts 14:22; I John 3:1

B. Who will punish the evildoer if not you? ___________________________________

Romans 12:19; Leviticus 19:18; Leviticus 32:35; Psalms 94:1; Psalms 20:22; Jeremiah 51:36; I Thessalonian 4:6; II Timothy 4:14; Hebrews 10:30

C. Is forgiveness a learning process? ________________________________________

Galatians 2:20




Can there be forgiveness without reconciliation? ___________________________________________

Luke 23:34; I Corinthains 13




Forgiveness means we learn to see the offender through whose eyes? ___________________________

Luke 23:34; Matthew 5:44; Romans 5:6-8; Romans 4:25; Romans 8:39; Ephesians 5:2; I John 4:10




Reconciliation means to do what? _______________________________________________________

Matthew 5:24; Acts 7:26; Romans 5:10; I Corinthains 5:18-20; Ephesians 2:16; Colossians 1:20-22




When reconciliation is complete, what do we see when we see the person who wronged us? _________

Hebrews 12:2; II Peter 2:14; I John 2:9-16; I John 3:15-20; II Corinthains 4:4; II Peter 1:9




How does God see our forgien sins? _____________________________________________________

Psalms 103:12; Hebrews 9:26; Isaiah 43:25; Hebrews 8:12; Isaiah 1:18; Isaiah 38:17; Isaiah 44:22




Is forgetting a requirement for our forgiving others? _________________________________________

Matthew 26:75; Colossians 4:18; Hebrews 13:3; I Thessalonian 2:9; Hebrews 10:32; Revelations 2:5; Revelations 3:3




Why were the children of Israel asked to remember? ________________________________________

Deuteronomy 5:15




Prayer Week:




Day 1: Cleanse yourself before the Lord.




Day 2: Make a list of people you have not forgiven but need to forgive. Spend time in prayer reflecting on why forgiveness is important to the believer and what your motive is for wanting to forgive or not wanting to forgive.




Day 3: Ask God to give you a new heart, a heart that desires to forgive just as He desires to forgive us.




Day 4: Yield youself and your desires to God through the humbling of yourself to Him and to those that you are not forgiving.




Day 5: In prayer, reflect on the need to be Christ like. How He was able to forgive, why He forgave, and how that forgiveness has affected you and is affecting you even now.




Day 6: Examine yourself with a sober judgment to see if you have forgiven those on your list of people to forgive.




Day 7: Thank God for His forgiveness and His work in your life to learn to forgive those that have sinned against you.
 
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God is bigger than you. God's opinion carries more weight. By God's opinion He can simply will a habitable planet into being ... .. by your opinion can you even change coffee into tea? Try it. Try to turn coffee into tea with your will & when you have reached the end of trying. .. accept that God could. God made coffee and God made tea, there is nothing reasonable to suggest that if He made these things He couldn't change one into the other. Can you, in an empty cup, will tea or coffee into being? no?

Part of God's mercy is deliverance from our own self judgement. It requires sacrifice of our own opinion & exchange for God's. If you really believe in God & His salvation through Jesus Christ. .. . how is it so hard to believe His opinion over yours regarding self worth?

It probably should be easier. Maybe it's a lack of Faith? Maybe I'm just too used to feeding into the garbage that is my lack of self-worth. I wish it was as easy as 'just believing' Gods view on me. Then it wouldn't even be an issue. It's just never that easy. I wish I could just believe that.
 
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it is the sin in your life you are seeing, it is that sin you cannot get past. First, take courage that if your sin disgusts you, you are sharing the heart of Christ, for sin also is detestable to Him. Second, cleanse yourself daily of all unrighteousness. We often think about our sins as being the only thing about us that needs cleansed, when in fact, even living in the sinful world we live in causes us to need to be cleansed. This happens through the word of God (study the word) and the blood of the Lamb, (confession and repentance) Thirdly, renew your mind, take your thoughts captive and put those thoughts on the things of God. Finally, seek God and ask Him to reveal to you HIs image...the image He created you to have. The new man you have become in HIm. Ask HIm to give you sight where you are now blind.

I have two great studies, you can do them on your own and it would take me a while to find one of them, the first is how to forgive in general (part of another study so would take a little bit to find the portion you would need) and who we are in Christ. In the study of who we are in Christ, it is helpful to take one of those things and meditate on it all day or week, this is an act of renewing our minds.

Yes, I believe what you are saying is mostly true. I never feel as disgusted with myself as when I struggle with my perpetual Sins that I desire to over come more than anything else. I'm glad that at least I have some sort of desire to be Holy rather than enjoying my Sin. I'd prefer to suffer from a desire of being Holy than be happy in my Sin and be lost.

But I think it might be a little more than that also. Many people on here have just told me, 'Go get professional help.' - I tend to get upset at myself whenever I make errors or mistakes in life. I've been called a PERFECTIONIST before and I find that maybe that might also be a little true. Is this in the same spectrum of what we are talking about? Or is this an entirely different issue that I need to confront? =/ Sorry, I don't mean to try and force answers out of you that you probably don't have, since you aren't me, but just wondering if you've ever come across these issues... Might help me to some extent...[/QUOTE]
like you said, you alone know whether it is beyond....let me tell you a bit about my personal experience and see if that helps, it might not, but maybe....please don't be offended by my sharing....

I was taught that woman had no value, I was taught that everything that went wrong was my fault. I grew up learning to hate myself. In fact, when I was first married, when something would go wrong, I would get so angry at myself that I would pull my hair and hit myself. It has gotten better over the years, but there are still times I "give in" to that hatred. Recently, a very close family member lied about something and in that lie accused me of manipulation and abuse. Everyone told me that it was a lie that manipulation and abuse was not even in my character, but I struggled with it. I hated the very fact that it could be true and doubted all those that told me it wasn't.

Well, growing up being taught to hate myself, I eventually found freedom (most of the time) by learning the difference between truth and lies and holding firmly to the truth while learning to discard the lies. However, because of how close this latest relationship was, I was having trouble separating truth from lie, so, I asked God to take what was NOT mine to take and leave only truth. Sometimes it seemed that all I got done in a single day was to ask God to take what was not mine, but eventually I found peace and I discovered the power of God over the lies that Satan wanted me to believe.

When we doubt, when we listen to the accuser, the author of lies, we give into the devil and push away the power of God over sin and death. Today, I still have occasions, but most of the time, I learn to trust God that I am not who I see, but who HE sees and says I am. BUT, I had to give it to God and leave it there.

Hope that helps...
 
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