Should Iran Trust The US?

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In the past 63 years, the US gads personally overthrown a democratically elected government, provided support for its enemy in an eight year war, and led the world effort to impose sanctions that have crippled the country.

As an aside, the US supports Iran's current biggest foe (Saudi Arabia) in its efforts to defeat its Shiite ally Assad, the only real opposition to ISIS in Syria, other than troops sent in by Iran.

1952
The British, France and US controlled the oil fields in many countries and gave each county different deals. Iran received some of the worst treatment with only 16% of the profits going to the Iranian people. Iran's democratically elected government voted unanimously to nationalize the oil fields. Truman supported the democratic regime. The came Eisenhower (and Dullus, the master of coups. After Eisenhower was elected, the US was to meet with the UK and support a coup and installing the Shah as the puppet of the US. The Shah served in that role for 27 years. His rule was similar to many of the dictators of the time. His secret police were ruthless.

1979
The Iranian Revolution defeated the Shah and took many in the US embassy as hostages for over a year until Reagan was inaugurated. Iran and the US did not speak again until Obama was elected.

1980-1988
Saddam Hussain invaded and fought a long hard war with Iran, with US support. Near the end, it appeared that Iraq would win, take over Iran and be a major power in the region. Reagan supported Iran though the infamous Iran-Contra arms deals. In any case, Hussain threatened to level Iranian cities and use WMD's on its people, as he already had done against his own people. With both countries exhausted, the countries agreed to end the war. It should be note that throughout the war, Iraq was the only country fighting under the Sunni banner, although there were many loans of money to Iraq.

1989-1991 - THE BUSH YEARS
The elder Bush attacked Hussain when he attacked Kuwait.

1992-2000 - THE CLINTON YEARS
Not much happened.

2001-2008 - THE BUSH YEARS, PART TWO
Two wars were initiated, one in Iraq and one in Syria. They were winding down when Bush left office, although many Republicans were calling for increased military action. At the same time, sanctions were initiated against Iran. The result is the rise of Al Qaeda and ISIS. Another 10,000 US troops remaining in Iraq wouldn't have made much difference. Iran made up the lack with its own militia, money and material. By 2008, Iraq is a Shiite state under attack from Al Qaeda and ISIS terrorists.

2009-2015
US combat troops are almost completely gone from the region. Iran's militia continues to fight in Iraq and Syria. The US announces a move away from direct military involvement in the Middle East, and an interest on focusing on Asian issues. The US decides NOT to put boots on the ground in the Middle East. The US, with 4 other countries, signs a deal with Iran. The US no longer directly fights Iran and fights only minimally against Assad.

The US has decide that its major opponents in the Middle East are Al Qaeda and ISIS and increase drone strikes and directed air strikes against those targets throughout the world.

2016 and BEYOND
We will have an election. The American people will decide whether to elect a candidate who campaigns on increased military action in the Middle East. All Republican candidates oppose the current deal with Iran. They would have sent more troops or kept more troops in the Middle East (curious for Paul). They will present their own plans in the general election.
 

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1992-2000 - THE CLINTON YEARS
Not much happened?

United States gets involved in war in Bosnia
1993 terrorist bombing of the World Trade Center
Battle of Mogadishu ("Black Hawk Down")
USS Cole and Khobar Towers bombed by terrorists
1998 United States embassy bombings
U.S. and Iraq - Sabre Rattling on Both Sides
Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden (linked CBS News article)
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No and we shouldn't trust them either. We can only trust them when it comes to things that are mutually beneficial. Fighting ISIS would be an example because we both have our own reasons for opposing them and we both would act independently regardless.
 
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I did? Where?

I mean. I have my opinion, but I'm curious where you can point out that I criticized anything.
Thought I saw you doing it in a different thread. If you tell me you think Iran is trustworthy, I withdraw the comment and apologise.
 
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Thought I saw you doing it in a different thread. If you tell me you think Iran is trustworthy, I withdraw the comment and apologise.
I trust Mexican tap water more than I trust Iran.
 
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While we have many reasons to distrust them, they too have many reasons to distrust us. That's why this agreement is such a big deal. The very fact that we made diplomatic steps is a huge improvement on the past 40 years. It's in everyone's best interest for us to establish friendly relations. This is step one in that direction.
 
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1992-2000 - THE CLINTON YEARS
Not much happened?

United States gets involved in war in Bosnia
1993 terrorist bombing of the World Trade Center
Battle of Mogadishu ("Black Hawk Down")
USS Cole and Khobar Towers bombed by terrorists
1998 United States embassy bombings
U.S. and Iraq - Sabre Rattling on Both Sides
Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden (linked CBS News article)
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I find these actions as minor compared with the incidents of 2000-2008.

Perhaps we might compare the number of lives lost and non-fatal casualties during the two time periods, to Americans and to those who we fought.
 
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Would Republicans really go back on the deal?

Eh, while I do not doubt the their opposition to the deal is genuine, I'm not sure they would prefer a more dangerous Iran along with condemnation from the other signatories and international community generally; perhaps even inhibiting future political agreements.
I think, and would hope, it's mostly noise and hot air to attract/please voters.

Neither country has a good relation with the other, which as someone has already said makes this deal all the significant. I think both can trust the other for now, cautiously of course.
 
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