Hi thunder,
First, the subject of Dan ch 8 and 7 , I bought up between me and Jben and you dont have to enter that if you dont wish to THUNDER.
Bjen I will check my PM and get back to you there.
Secondly, THUNDER sorry for the long posts but I am still waiting on an answer from you on a question that I have asked you 3 times now and you have ignored it???
I will answer your question and then I will ask my question to you personally for the fourth time and you will finally answer that??????? Or I wont answer your next question thunder as you have avoided every single question that I have put to you even though I have read every single word you wrote.
If you set these rules thunder, answer my questions first??
my questian has been for pages now;
can you show me in scripture were it talks about a 7 yr tribulation with antichrist in it that is not using dan ch 9???
That was always my question thunder.
Hear is my answer;
Who is the one who set up the abomination that causes desolation??
This is an unfair question and if I answer simply you will understand zipp!!
At least make your question scriptural thunder so I can answer it.
Please read all of this even if it gets long or is this the answer that you are looking for that will do nothing but confuse you.
"It was jesus, Titus and the Roman armys".
That answers nothing thunder.
Please listen to me hear. Read the two scriptures that are in Dan 9 concerning the abomination that brings desolation and you will see why your question is put unfairly and then I will answer your question the long way by explaining to you what I believe these two scriptures mean as a whole and then you will understand were I am coming from.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: = jesus is crucified for the sins of the world and becomes the sacrifice for all sin
And the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. = Because the Jews crucified jesus (the abomination of the Jews) the Romans under Titus (very much a prince at the time) came in with a flood and the Jews abomination brought the determined desolations. (Jesus said, your house is left unto you desolate and there will be not one stone upon another.)
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease = jesus again confirms the covenant and is crucified half way through confirming it and therefore becomes the sacrifice for our sins and therefore makes the daily sacrifice of no affect as he has become that sacrafise. he also causes the oblations to cease because he brings in the new testament (covenant).
And for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate = for the over spreading of the abominations of the Jewish people Titus shall make it desolate at the word of jesus when he said to the Jews for there overspread of there abominations your house is left unto you, desolate. And so it was.
Read this all thunder, you cant see were I am at if you dont read my stuff.
Read this in Mathew carefully and see that Jesus tells them that they are left desolate because of there abominations. He also goes on straight after this to tell his disciples about how the temple will be destroyed in their generation and so it was.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 and say, if we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye are witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them, which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zechariahs son of Abrachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, all these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that kills the prophets, and stoniest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathered her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
So this is what I believe the abomination that will bring desolation was;
The abomination was the Jews and their ways and the crucifixion of Jesus and the prophets as well and this brings desolation by Titus in 70 ad as thes desolations were determined by jesus..
If you wish to address the saying AoD, we will need to do it by verse not a church saying THUNDER so this is my explanation on Dan 9 and the AoD.