Romney just cost himself the election
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No. You are putting words in his mouth. He is talking about campaign strategy. Why would he devote limited resources and campaign funds to appeal to the 47% who are dependent on government and are more likely to vote for the redistributionist? It only makes sense.
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There are many differences between the causes of the Great Depression and the economic situation today, and how each was reacted to. In the 1930's the Fed allowed the banking system and the money supply to collapse. However you are correct in one similarity. There are those who argue the New Deal actually hampered the recovery, just as Obama's policies have hampered the current recovery. At the very least, in Obama's case they are correct.
No, it is to assume he understands what he himself says, and that he ever actually means what he says.
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He is the one who said he could do it in his first term.
So you agree with what Mitt Romney said. Nice to know.
Thanks for the DNC talking point.
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Part of my particular beef with Romney's statements is his inconsistent principle - he says nothing about the vast amount of government welfare to corporations - per the CATO institute, 50% more than the outlay to individuals. And whilst decrying what he calls a victim mentality among some, ignores the victim mentality of those who want - for example - lower capital gains taxes, or lobby for greater advantage for their business or sector, etc. Meanwhile, he states he takes every loophole he is entitled to - and in my book, entitlement is entitlement whether welfare, or tax break, or govt. welfare to big oil, ag, finance, and other sectors.
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The argument is that Romney lied. He just makes things up to illustrate the point he was trying to make. Just because a person doesn't make enough money to be liable for income taxation doesn't imply that they are irresponsible. Do you think everyone who isn't liable for income taxation is irresponsible?
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I see the term "corporate welfare" used fairly often but do not uderstand what you are specifically indicating. Can you take a post and clarify what is/is not included in your use fo this term? thanks.
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Sure - I posted it in one thread, but not sure which one
Here's a definition:
Definition: corporate welfare
n. Financial aid, such as a subsidy, provided by a government to corporations or other businesses.
The Cato Institute estimated that, in 2002, $93 billion were devoted to corporate welfare. This is about 5 percent of the federal budget.To clarify what is and isnt corporate welfare, a no-bid Iraq contract for the prestigious Halliburton, would not be considered corporate welfare because the government technically directly receives some good or service in exchange for this expenditure. Based on the Pentagons Defense Contract Audit Agency (DCAA) findings of $1.4 billion of overcharging and fraud, I suppose the primary service they provide could be considered to be repeatedly violating the American taxpayer.On the other hand, the $15 billion in subsidies contained in the Energy Policy Act of 2005, to the oil, gas, and coal industries, would be considered corporate welfare because no goods or services are directly returned to the government in exchange for these expenditures. Think by Numbers » Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs
The CATO Institute has been covering this for years - more detailed discussions can be found by google searching "CATO Institute corporate welfare".
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Thanks for posting this for me. I appreciate your time.Sure - I posted it in one thread, but not sure which one
Here's a definition:
Definition: corporate welfare
n. Financial aid, such as a subsidy, provided by a government to corporations or other businesses.
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Reasonably incorrect. Rampant speculation, little control over financial instruments etc. Many of the things addressed by the various legislations including Glass-Steagal which had to be repealed in order to help precipitate the current crisis.
But by all means, the president is different. So there is that difference.
So you are telling me what I think? Very nice! Yes it does relate to abortion, but it doesn't mean we "love abortion".
Actually you'll note I didn't say that. I find the soda law quite stupid.
This could easily become a slippery slope argument. I tend to avoid those because they always require adjudicated on at least agreed upon, or at best, reasonable grounds.
So you don't think second hand smoke or even smoking/drinking by the expectant mother might also put another life at stake?
I'm afraid I'm going to have to report this. It is a grotesque mischaracterization of my point. You are kinda sick for saying that.
But I understand. You have to win the point. Congrats.
I never said a damn thing even remotely like that you sick person.
Ummm, yeah, you can. But if you really don't have simple logic skills I can see how it woudl be difficult for you.
Oh geez, it's just a matter of adding a "/" before the second quote to close out the command.
Simple stuff seems to evade you. And you can apologize anytime for suggesting I said you should have killed your child. You are truly, truly sick.
I fear for people like you. Your diseased imagination and evil thoughts are really scary!
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Sistrin, I've gone ahead and reported this with the following statement to the mods. I suggest you dial it back a bit. Maybe re-think your attitude. It is kind of scary and sick.
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Follow up question: Sistrin, how could your child be "unexpected"? Were you unaware of how babies were made at the time of conception or were you irresponsible?
I mean there's no way it could have been a mistake because that would violate your ideal:
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Seems you didn't make a choice if it was "unexpected". But I understand. You are a pious "good" person so all your actions are ipso facto "correct". You can sit on the throne at the right hand of God to judge the quick and the dead I suppose.
The point being, lest you miss it (most likely): not everyone makes the same decisions you did. Not everyone believes the same way you do. Not everyone has your righteousness and virtue. And some people might have a tougher time of it than you.
You seemed to be allowed to "not make a choice" but everyone else has to and if they don't, you will tell them what they can or can't do with their own bodies.
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He didn't though. Most people in that 47% work, pay taxes, and earn less than $50k/year, and/or are disabled or elderly.
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Well considering that in order to be President of the US you pretty much have to proclaim your belief in God, preferably the Judeo-Christian God, Yahweh, and in most cases his only begotten son, the lord and savior Jesus Christ, jcp hasn't really eliminated any given candidate.
Unless one wishes to get into the semantics that some evangelicals like to about the "christianity" of Mormonism. But in general it really isn't limiting. In fact jcp could vote for everyone running form president under this rubric.
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Hey, I'm not an 'Evangelical' ...(Felt I should reply as I was the poster that challenged the Mormon understanding of Christ vs. the understanding of traditional Christianity - in my case Eastern Orthodox.)
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(Felt I should reply as I was the poster that challenged the Mormon understanding of Christ vs. the understanding of traditional Christianity - in my case Eastern Orthodox.)
Oh you wouldn't be the first to raise any possible distinctions! I didn't mean to aim that at you.
My wife is a "recovering Catholic" and whe she hears people talk about religion and quoting the bible she likes to remind them that HER CHURCH gave them that bible so Catholics can say what they want.
As for Eastern Orthodox, well you guys left the One True Faith a loooong time ago!
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The context of his words are lost in this thread. He was not talking about the people, he was talking about the system. He's talking about having a different message in a climate such as he describes. He was telling his supporters that this will not be easy no matter what the President has done or might do later. He's right about the that. When He said his words were not carefully chosen but his message and the conversation about the state of politics is to go forward is a hint to the truth of what I am saying here.
He has a hard sell and that's what this is about. But in a world driven by emotion it's easy to see why so many imagine He's just hates poor people.
Either I am right or He hates the poor......
He has a hard sell and that's what this is about. But in a world driven by emotion it's easy to see why so many imagine He's just hates poor people.
Either I am right or He hates the poor......
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I didn't read the whole thread, but this is no worse than Obama revealing that he harbors disdain for people who actually cling to their faith.
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