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PaladinValer · Apr 7, 2012

Black and white=Gnostic/Manichean dualism...which is an anti-Christian heresy. Therefore, it isn't possible for a truly orthodox Christian to accept.

Jesus drank alcohol. Jesus instituted alcohol for one of the elements in Holy Communion along with bread. Jesus turned water into really good alcohol.

Case closed.

OP, ignore pietism...it is unorthodox.

Peripatetic · Apr 7, 2012

PaladinValer said:
Jesus drank alcohol. Jesus instituted alcohol for one of the elements in Holy Communion along with bread. Jesus turned water into really good alcohol.

Case closed.

Almost closed, but not quite locked. Romans 14 points out that drinking alcohol can be sinful for some people if they are convinced and convicted that it is sinful, or if it causes another to stumble. Paul also says that these people should not judge others and should keep it between them and God.

But as many have said, most Christians can drink in moderation without sinning, as did many important figures in the Bible, including Jesus.

Michaelrh1325 · Apr 7, 2012

I think it's fine in moderation. That's what the bible says. Some churches are totally against it, though. Just don't get drunk. You will more than likely sin terribly while drunk.

ChrisHolland619 · Apr 7, 2012

Except that Jesus did not drink wine. He drank new wine. That is not alcoholic. He drank grape juice essentially.

pauluk3 · Apr 7, 2012

Jase said:
Jesus turned water into wine. Enough said me thinks.

hi friend you do know that wine was the name for fruit juice in the bible days ...right

pauluk3 · Apr 7, 2012

PaladinValer said:
Black and white=Gnostic/Manichean dualism...which is an anti-Christian heresy. Therefore, it isn't possible for a truly orthodox Christian to accept.

Jesus drank alcohol. Jesus instituted alcohol for one of the elements in Holy Communion along with bread. Jesus turned water into really good alcohol.

Case closed.

OP, ignore pietism...it is unorthodox.

Jesus turned water into fruit juice ..right

pauluk3 · Apr 7, 2012

jared1958 said:
What is your guys thoughts on alcohol of course I'm not talking about a drunk I am talking about a beer every now and then with a meal like applebees not talking about any liqour that stuff is too much for me

thats not really a problem ..but the thing is what does it lead to over the years all addictions and drug use start off small and develop over time to bigger problems

Waxwing · Apr 7, 2012

jared1958 said:
What is your guys thoughts on alcohol of course I'm not talking about a drunk I am talking about a beer every now and then with a meal like applebees not talking about any liqour that stuff is too much for me

Nothing wrong with alcohol in moderation. I'd only add to keep in mind fellow Christians, some are against consumption of all alcohol, some have a painful past due to it - I'd just be mindful of this and maybe refrain in the presence of such folk if it may cause divisiveness, reopening old wounds, not faith building etc.

ChrisHolland619 · Apr 7, 2012

Waxwing said:
Nothing wrong with alcohol in moderation. I'd only add to keep in mind fellow Christians, some are against consumption of all alcohol, some have a painful past due to it - I'd just be mindful of this and maybe refrain in the presence of such folk if it may cause divisiveness, reopening old wounds, not faith building etc.

Why not just abstain from something that has the potential to cause so much pain and hurt in the first place? I mean, seriously? Why would a Christian involve him or herself in that?

Peripatetic · Apr 8, 2012

ChrisHolland619 said:
Why not just abstain from something that has the potential to cause so much pain and hurt in the first place? I mean, seriously? Why would a Christian involve him or herself in that?

This is a valid question, and one that can be asked about many things: cigarettes, junk food and deserts, coffee, etc. All of those can be addicting and lead to poor health or worse. Lack of exercise is another one...

How many Christians drink coffee to make up for their lack of sleep, eat fast food junk for lunch in a hurry, and "don't have time" to exercise? Most people would describe that person as a typical professional, not as a sinner. I think a person who has a drink now and then, but works out and eats right is taking much better care of his/her body (ie. temple), but I'm sure others will disagree.

ChrisHolland619 · Apr 8, 2012

Peripatetic said:
This is a valid question, and one that can be asked about many things: cigarettes, junk food and deserts, coffee, etc. All of those can be addicting and lead to poor health or worse. Lack of exercise is another one...

How many Christians drink coffee to make up for their lack of sleep, eat fast food junk for lunch in a hurry, and "don't have time" to exercise? Most people would describe that person as a typical professional, not as a sinner. I think a person who has a drink now and then, but works out and eats right is taking much better care of his/her body (ie. temple), but I'm sure others will disagree.

Nothing you just stated is ok either.

Our bodies are the temple of God, it is not our own.

Blessedj01 · Apr 8, 2012

jared1958 said:
What is your guys thoughts on alcohol of course I'm not talking about a drunk I am talking about a beer every now and then with a meal like applebees not talking about any liqour that stuff is too much for me

All I can say is don't let other people make you feel bad about something they freely do. You're here, you're alive, this is earth, humans make beer. It's a gift from God imo. It's meant to be drunk in moderation, but intoxication is a side-effect. You will need to use your discernment as to how much you should have. If it's problematic or causes you to stumble, abstain from it. Just don't let anyone make you feel bad about it. Oh and remember, being out of control and drunk can have it's consequences - some of them very damaging for you and your witness.

pauluk3 · Apr 8, 2012

Blessedj01 said:
All I can say is don't let other people make you feel bad about something they freely do. You're here, you're alive, this is earth, humans make beer. It's a gift from God imo. It's meant to be drunk in moderation, but intoxication is a side-effect. You will need to use your discernment as to how much you should have. If it's problematic or causes you to stumble, abstain from it. Just don't let anyone make you feel bad about it. Oh and remember, being out of control and drunk can have it's consequences - some of them very damaging for you and your witness.

humans make beer. It's a gift from God imo.

sorry friend i dont agree beer is not a gift from God , alcohol is a drug thats why they have AA

PaladinValer · Apr 8, 2012

Slippery Slope fallacy from a lot of people.

Logical fallacies are never true and therefore cannot possibly from God.

jared1958 · Apr 8, 2012

I'm starting to beleive that some think its OK and some think its not OK well I got a lot of opinions but I have one more request can anyone show me Biblical answers something in the Bible to validate either yes or no

PaladinValer · Apr 8, 2012

jared1958 said:
I'm starting to beleive that some think its OK and some think its not OK well I got a lot of opinions but I have one more request can anyone show me Biblical answers something in the Bible to validate either yes or no

Wedding at Cana
Last Supper

Fin

KyrieEleison87 · Apr 8, 2012

ChrisHolland619 said:
Except that Jesus did not drink wine. He drank new wine. That is not alcoholic. He drank grape juice essentially.

What's your source for this claim? The Pharisees accused Him of being a drunkard. If everyone knew He was drinking Sam Adams that would be a little silly.

Chocoholic81 · Apr 8, 2012

I personally can't stand alcohol

Even a tiny amount makes me sick. I think it's OK for others to drink as long as they drink it in moderation and don't drink and drive.

pauluk3 · Apr 9, 2012

KyrieEleison87 said:
What's your source for this claim? The Pharisees accused Him of being a drunkard. If everyone knew He was drinking Sam Adams that would be a little silly.

well its an historical fact that wine was called grape juice in the bible days ...go google it for more in depth example eg :

w.churchofchrist.com.au/Tracts/Jesus%20Wine.htm]Did Jesus Turn The Water Into Alcoholic Wine

pauluk3 · Apr 9, 2012

KyrieEleison87 said:
What's your source for this claim? The Pharisees accused Him of being a drunkard. If everyone knew He was drinking Sam Adams that would be a little silly.

wow really the pharsies accused Jesus of many un true things and then crucifed him ....

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