Is it ok to kill homosexuals, witches, etc. because the Bible says to?

Verv said:

Christian morals could not be applied to the period up to about 330 BC, probably, and it would only be really safe to even consider them in the starting of a religion until the 1st century AD.

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So Christian morals only work when non-Christians are nice.

You're saying that Christianity and its principles like pacifism wouldn't have worked for the vast majority of human history. If you're right, isn't that an indictment of the monumental failure of Christianity? Pacifism doesn't even work now in the present day.

Verv said:

Democracy would have been utterly impractical amongst most peoples for very long stretches of history.

Does that mean that democracy does not work, or rather, that those societies have not yet advanced to a point of being able to employ higher forms of political bodies?

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I don't believe democracy would have been impractical throughout ancient periods. So no, I wouldn't have supported an autocracy, empire, monarchy, oligarchy, theocracy in ancient periods.

So God asked the Jews to kill homosexuals, disobedient teenagers, Sabbath-breakers, and people who ate shellfish, because otherwise they would have been wiped out by other tribes in the violent historical context in which they lived? You're ignoring most of the issue here

And why did an all-powerful God get the Jews to pillage and massacre their way through an already-occupied territory, when he could have done literally anthing else?! He could have manifested himself to the Canaanites, done a bunch of miracles to prove he was the real deal, and told him that if they ever messed with the Israelites, they'd be massacred. Or exiled. Or they'd get an itch half way up their backs that they couldn't quite reach. Or he could have created a land flowing with milk and honey in the desert where the Jews already were, or he could have simply teleported the Canaanites to Australia, and given them all the resources they needed (For which I'm sure they would have been eternally grateful, and would have converted to Judaism)

Some Christians bend over backwards to justify things that are simply unjustifiable. Genocide is never acceptable, and it is especially unacceptable when it is perpetrated by people who have a myriad of other options they could have taken instead.

I just wanted to give a warning to any would-be gay bashers out there: Not all of us are easy victims, many of us have CHL's and use them. So regardless of if you think its your right to destroy another person's life, expect to eventually pay your due for the death and pain you cause.

This has been a Pink Pistols public service anouncement. Thank you.

sacredsin said:

Inspired by another thread, is it ok to kill homosexuals, witches, adulterers, disobedient children, etc. because the Bible (OT) tells you to do so? Some here apparently believe so..what is your opinion?

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I don't recall the bible saying to hunt out such and kill them.

sacredsin said:

Inspired by another thread, is it ok to kill homosexuals, witches, adulterers, disobedient children, etc. because the Bible (OT) tells you to do so? Some here apparently believe so..what is your opinion?

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Haha, maybe if you're a Puritan.

sacredsin said:

Inspired by another thread, is it ok to kill homosexuals, witches, adulterers, disobedient children, etc. because the Bible (OT) tells you to do so? Some here apparently believe so..what is your opinion?

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I think it is ok to kill as many people as Jesus did, which is none.

Those who wish to bring bad the OT death penalties wish to undo the work of Christ.

When one has murder in their heart, the bible can be misused to support it. When Christ was tempted by Satan, Satan used the Scripture in an attempt to make Christ sin. Christ countered with Scripture that showed that Satan's verse's were not supported.

I have had Christians tell me before "you know, if it were up to God, and we returned to the way God wants us to live, you would be put to death."

In other words, it was a cowardly way to say, "I wish you were dead, and God would approve if I killed you." Does that sound like the love of Christ?

1 John 4:7-8 says, "Brothers, let us love one another, for love is of God, and any one who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

If one uses the bible mostly as a way to support the killing of others, the oppression of others, the intimidation of others, to justify the murder and condemnation in their heart, they are not forgiven by God. They do not know God. They are only Christian in name, a wolf in sheep's clothing. 1 Corinthians names the fruit of the spirit, and if the person does not show love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control, but rather, causes strife, demonstrates hatred, delights in harming others spiritually, mentally, emotionally or physically, is rude, is vulgar, is haughty, is provoking, it is no different that Satan quoting Scripture to Christ.

A Christian here was angered that I dare say that I am Christian and gay. He said that God wanted me dead. I said that isn't true, that God loves me. He said "No, he doesn't! You are an abomination!" I said, "And yet, he still loves me!" He said, "You are a sinner!" I said, "And yet, he died for all of us even when we were yet sinners. That is beautiful, don't you think?" He said, "you are separated from God in your sin!" I said, "Nothing can separate me from God's love. Nothing. (Romans 8: 38-39.)"

This continued for some time, and every time, I simply answered, "And yet, he still loves me, and nothing will separate me from that."

It angered him that I believed that God loved me. Is that the spirit of God within him? Or is that the Deceiver, angry because I realized the words had no strength, no power, and was simply smiling and shrugging, because I knew better?

If someone sees the bible as an excuse to kill off some people, then we should pray that the Holy Spirit weigh heavily on their heart, and intercede and ask forgiveness, because they don't know what they are doing or saying. They have been fooled, and we should pray that the Holy Spirit soften their heart, and open their eyes.

Caduceus said:

This is an interesting discussion, given that in this month’s Freethinker magazine, an article has been published about Steven L Anderson the founder of the Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe Arizona in which Mr Anderston stated in a radio interview that anybody who killed President Obama, an abortionist, or a homosexual should not be indicted for murder. He went on to say that anyone who killed the President would not be a murder but a “vigilante” and that he wanted all gay people to be executed “because that’s what the Bible teaches”.

Given the contradictory nature of the texts contained in both the OT and NT anybody can “cherry pick” these texts and find suitable bits that support their own particular prejudices.

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Yikes, some people like to use Christianity as a cover for insanity.

ragarth said:

I just wanted to give a warning to any would-be gay bashers out there: Not all of us are easy victims, many of us have CHL's and use them. So regardless of if you think its your right to destroy another person's life, expect to eventually pay your due for the death and pain you cause.

This has been a Pink Pistols public service anouncement. Thank you.

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First of all, what the heck is CHL?

Second, whoever would dream of of hurting any homosexual, lesbian or anyone else of any other orientation, for that matter, if I got word of it first, would have to go through me first. I've got your back bro. a

BTW... it sucks that you feel threatened enough that you think you have to make a statment like that.

sacredsin said:

Inspired by another thread, is it ok to kill homosexuals, witches, adulterers, disobedient children, etc. because the Bible (OT) tells you to do so? Some here apparently believe so..what is your opinion?

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Presently, we are living in the Age of Grace. Once the Church Age ends (with the Catching Away), the world will again be under condemnation of the LAW and will be judged accordingly. The Anti-Christ will do whatever he wishes for 7 years. Then will arrive the 1000 year Millennium Kingdom ruled by CHRIST along with the returning Saints with an iron rod.

Your guess is as good as mine as to what that will mean for people who want to do whatever they wish...

Beanieboy said:

I think it is ok to kill as many people as Jesus did, which is none.

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This is by far the best sentiment.

Beanieboy said:

I think it is ok to kill as many people as Jesus did, which is none.

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You mean the same Jesus who wiped out every living thing on the Earth, except for eight people and a handful of animals?

Those who wish to bring bad the OT death penalties wish to undo the work of Christ.

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How about the NT death penalty?

A Christian here was angered that I dare say that I am Christian and gay.

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No, I wasn't angry, I just pointed out three passages of scripture that show that one cannot be a Christian and be a homosexual at the same time.

He said that God wanted me dead.

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No, actually, I said that the Bible says that He pleads with you to repent so that you wouldn't die.

I said that isn't true, that God loves me. He said "No, he doesn't! You are an abomination!" I said, "And yet, he still loves me!" He said, "You are a sinner!" I said, "And yet, he died for all of us even when we were yet sinners. That is beautiful, don't you think?" He said, "you are separated from God in your sin!" I said, "Nothing can separate me from God's love. Nothing. (Romans 8: 38-39.)"

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Nope. Never said any of that. Completely fabricated.

It angered him that I believed that God loved me.

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No it didn't. In fact, I'm the one who pointed out to you that the Bible says that it was because of God's great love for you that even though you're a sinner, Christ died for you.

Caduceus said:

This is an interesting discussion, given that in this month’s Freethinker magazine, an article has been published about Steven L Anderson the founder of the Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe Arizona in which Mr Anderston stated in a radio interview that anybody who killed President Obama, an abortionist, or a homosexual should not be indicted for murder. He went on to say that anyone who killed the President would not be a murder but a “vigilante” and that he wanted all gay people to be executed “because that’s what the Bible teaches”.

Given the contradictory nature of the texts contained in both the OT and NT anybody can “cherry pick” these texts and find suitable bits that support their own particular prejudices.

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By ripping particular verses out of their context only, not by proper interpretive methods...

Godschild87 said:

By ripping particular verses out of their context only, not by proper interpretive methods...

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What is the framework of these proper interpretive methods?

sacredsin said:

Inspired by another thread, is it ok to kill homosexuals, witches, adulterers, disobedient children, etc. because the Bible (OT) tells you to do so? Some here apparently believe so..what is your opinion?

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Wow.......someone somewhere has used God to justify their hate? Never heard of that before. Hope this doesn't become trendy.

RealDealNeverstop said:

What is the framework of these proper interpretive methods?

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Context, culture, language. I hope I'm not the only one who went to a Bible college...

RealDealNeverstop said:

What is the framework of these proper interpretive methods?

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Biblically we only pick apart the Scripture in community, under God's presence, and use the Holy spirits guidance.

That is:

Godschild87 said:

Context, culture, language. I hope I'm not the only one who went to a Bible college...

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That didn't answer the question. How do those three things fit into the proper interpretive methods? Are there other factors to consider as well? (if the question isn't answered again I recommend not bragging about Bible college. Or in the very least not say the school's name.)

I'm always confounded at how difficult it can be for even an adumbration of biblical hermeneutics to be delivered after the proclamation of possession of such invaluable information.

david_x said:

Biblically we only pick apart the Scripture in community, under God's presence, and use the Holy spirits guidance.

That is:

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That is not an interpretive method. It's a recipe for psychological incest birthing retarded interpretations.

RealDealNeverstop said:

That didn't answer the question. How do those three things fit into the proper interpretive methods? Are there other factors to consider as well?

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The three factors you consider are context- of the verse, and {how the verse relates to the rest of the Bible, and how each interpretation of that verse fits into the whole of what the Bible has to say. Does it make other parts contradict?} The bracketed also applies to language and culture. How do things fit?
Language- is the English translation accurate to the idea the original language meant to convey?
Culture- are you imposing on their culture, or are you viewing each passage in the eyes of the culture it was originally written to?

(if the question isn't answered again I recommend not bragging about Bible college. Or in the very least not say the school's name.)

I'm always confounded at how difficult it can be for even an adumbration of biblical hermeneutics to be delivered after the proclamation of possession of such invaluable information.

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Because the claim is always 'you made that up' or 'that's arbitrary', and I get sick of dealing with such claims.