6 point proof for the post trib rapture

Hi Hismessenger:

Hismessenger said:

I asked this once before but you had a mental laspe I quess. Is Satan on Lock down if the church was taken 2000 years ago and when did this first resurrection take place?

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Your question makes no sense in relation to ANYTHING presented in my work on this Mystery Rapture Topic! Who said Satan has been chained? Not me. Who said the First Resurrection has already taken place? Not me. Both of those events take place when the 1000 Year Day of the Lord is “at hand” (2Thes. 2:2), or when the 1000 Year Day of the Lord B.E.G.I.N.S with our Mystery (1Cor. 15:51-53) Rapture (1Thes. 4:15-17). Everything is explained in my “Our Mystery Rapture STARTS The 1000 Year Day Of The Lord” Opening Post here. Paul is describing how the 1000 Year Day of the Lord BEGINS ‘and’ Jesus Christ (Matt. 24) is describing how the same 1000 Year Day of the Lord ENDS. The “First Resurrection” STARTS the 1000 Year Day of the Lord (pic) ‘and’ the Second Resurrection ENDS the same 1000 Year Day of the Lord (far right) just prior to the JUDGMENT (Rev. 20:11-15).

Our Mystery Rapture is NOT an Eschatology (End Times) Topic, because our gathering to the Lord takes place some 1000 Years BEFORE the END of the Age. We (Body of Christ = Church #2) occupy the heavenly seats vacated by Satan and all the members of his evil body in the moment that the bad guys ARE CHAINED (Rev. 20:2) with the 'trumpet' (1Cor. 15:52, 1Thes. 4:16*) and 'voice of the archangel*' sounding off 'behind' John in Revelation 1:10 to START the 1000 Year Day of the Lord (pic) in the very near future. I am,

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Terral,

did you not post that Church#1 was taken 2000 years ago as I quoted from your post directly in my post on your error or have you since edited your mistake so that you don't sound ridiculous as you have.

hismessenger

Anyone notice how much editing Terral has been doing on his posts especially on the one where He said that the first Church was taken 2000 years ago. I wonder why? Hmmm! Could it be to cover His mistakes once we've pointed them out so glaringly. No one else has had to do that much editing on what they have posted.

hismessenger

I stand corrected. The statement that the church was taken 2000 years ago appears in all it's error in post 145. Why is Satan about and where is Christ if we are in the time after the first resurrection as Terral supposes.

hismessenger

Hi Hismessenger:

Hismessenger said:

Terral,

did you not post that Church#1 was taken 2000 years ago as I quoted from your post directly in my post on your error or have you since edited your mistake so that you don't sound ridiculous as you have.

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Which Post? What Post#? :0) No. Peter’s Kingdom ‘Bride’ (Church #1) was “cut off” (Rev. 20:4 = pelekizo) 2000 years ago, during the “Dispensational Shift” (diagram) clearly demonstrated in this Prophecy/Mystery Timeline.



From 30 AD: John the Baptist is the “prophet of the Most High” (Luke 1:76-78) "sent from God" Himself working for “The Father” (He who sent me = John 1:33) paving ‘The Way’ for Jesus Christ to then come in ‘water and blood’ (1Jn 5:6). Christ takes the Holy Spirit baton from John the Baptist (Elijah) at His Jordan River Baptism (Matt. 3:15-17), so that Christ began to ‘increase’ and John the Baptist began to ‘decrease’ (John 3:30). There will be only "increasing" for John the Baptist/Elijah/Adam/David when he comes again as the "prophet" of Acts 3:22-23 to 'restore all things' (Matt. 17:10-11) to include the "tabernacle of David." Acts 15:16-18 = pic. Jesus Christ was rejected like John the Baptist (Matt. 17:12), so that the third leg of God’s offering of the “Gospel of the Kingdom” began on the Day of Pentecost; when the Son sent the Holy Spirit “Helper” (John 16:7) to these ‘water witness’ Kingdom Disciples shaded in blue. Moses would have appeared to lead Israel into the Promised Land with Elijah (John the Baptist), but he/she was disqualified back in Numbers 20:11-12; so that God sent Elijah (Adam) alone without his helper Eve (Noah, Moses, Sarah, Bathsheba) to fulfill the final two verses of Malachi 4:5-6. Your mother Eve will come again in a new 'skin' (Gen. 3:21) as the second witness of Rev. 11, but only AFTER Elijah/David/Adam is 'cut off' (Dan. 9:26) about 56 years (62nd week of 70) from the END of the Age; so these two olive trees/lampstands appear together and the last = first. :0)

This is the reason that Elijah/David/Adam came in ‘spirit’ (the spirit witness), while the Lord God (Christ) who formed His two olive trees/lampstands (Zech. 4:14, Rev. 11:4) came in ‘water’ (for Moses/Eve) ‘and blood’ (for the Lord God Himself = summing up both). Peter’s “Early Rains” (James 5:7) Kingdom “Bride” (Church #1) will be raised “with us” (Body of Christ) at the ‘First Resurrection’ (middle of diagram in blue), but they rule ‘with Christ/The Lamb’ from ‘before the throne’ on the ‘sea of glass’ (pic); while “we” (Body of Christ = Church #2) are "IN the Lamb" even now. :0) You have some heavenly hosts (the kingdom of priests) singing the song of Moses/Eve, while ‘we’ (Body of Christ) are singing the song of the Lamb (Rev. 15:3) ‘and’ the angels sing the ‘song of Elijah/Adam’ at the very same time. The Kingdom Disciples from the “Body of Moses” and their angelic super-half counterparts are joined together in the moment they put on immortality (like us = 1Cor. 15:51-53), but only after actively participating in the “Marriage Supper of the Lamb” (Rev. 19:5-10) that ends every age for all the ‘ages to come’ (Eph. 2:7).

There is no ‘rapture’ for the disciples of the Prophetic Kingdom Bride, as even those living in the coming 1000 Year Day of the Lord (pic) and prepared by Elijah are “killed” (Matt. 24:9) to become martyrs joining Peter, John and James on the ‘sea of glass’ (another view = bottom of Fig 3) before the throne of the Lamb (Rev. 7:14-16). Peter, John and James shall be assigned ‘water witness’ addresses in the ‘water witness’ section of New Jerusalem (right hand of the Lamb), even in the New Earth of the coming New Age that begins in Revelation 21:1+. They (Christ's Disciples) represent the very LAST Kingdom Disciples from the Early Rains Kingdom ‘Bride’ (Church #1) to join ‘us’ (Body of Christ) IN Christ Jesus, as the ‘blood witness’ kings/rulers (pic) from the “Highest Heaven” (of 1Kings 8:27), which is The Heaven (in red = here too) from Genesis 1:1 where the ‘heaven’ of Genesis 1:8 is the ‘heaven’ of this Adamic Realm (pic).

While these descriptions appear complicated to 'many' people, I am describing things that God has given me to see; and not from any temporal perspective or position relative to current notions of time and space, but from the perspective of the infinite future looking backwards into this current ‘evil age’ (Gal. 1:4).

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Hi Hismessenger:

Hismessenger said:

Anyone notice how much editing Terral has been doing on his posts especially on the one where He said that the first Church was taken 2000 years ago.

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Which Post? What Post#? :0) If anyone here can find any errors in any of my posts on any of these threads, then please ‘quote >>’ that and expose my nakedness to everyone using Scripture (2Tim. 2:15)and help remove the splinter from my eye. In that case, I will be going back to correct those errors ASAP for the benefit of serving ‘the truth’ and the unbiased third-party readers actually seeking God through His Living Word. I never said that Peter’s Early Rains Kingdom Bride (Church #1 obeying Gospel #1) was ‘taken,’ but the entire Kingdom Dispensation was deliberately ‘cut off’ to ‘decrease,’ exactly like John the Baptist decreased (Jn 3:30) amid Israel’s ‘transgression’ (Rom. 11:11).

The Holy Spirit baton will be passed back to Elijah in the moment that our Mystery Body of Christ Church (#2) is Raptured (1Thes. 4:17), which will free the Holy Spirit to continue the restoration of ‘all things’ ON THIS EARTH. God must chain the devil (Rev. 20:2 = Rev. 1:10) with the sound of our mystery trumpet (1Cor. 15:52) and the ‘voice of the archangel’ (1Thes. 4:16) sounding off ‘behind’ John (Rev. 1:10), before ‘we’ (Body of Christ) can assume those heavenly seats vacated by the evil forces of ‘this darkness’ (Eph. 6:12) BEING CHAINED for the upcoming 1000 Year Day of the Lord.

Hismessenger said:

I wonder why? Hmmm! Could it be to cover His mistakes once we've pointed them out so glaringly. No one else has had to do that much editing on what they have posted.

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If you would like to make some case for any errors in my work, then kindly QUOTE >> from my statements and give us your best shot! :0) Thus far I am led to believe that Hismessenger does NOT even begin to understand my Mystery Rapture Explanations (OP*) well enough to even offer a serious rebuttal or counterproposal TO A SINGLE WORD. BTW, head over to my new Mystery Rapture thread* and QUOTE >> from my Opening Post to point out any errors you can find using Scripture. :0) Show us how your Post-Tribulation Rapture theory works, which will perhaps give these readers a good belly laugh today ‘and’ for all the ages to come; when all of these things are scrutinized from every conceivable perspective, and from venues that mere men are currently unable to even comprehend from,

In Christ Jesus where things are real,

Terral

Hi Hismessenger:

Hismessenger said:

I stand corrected. The statement that the church was taken 2000 years ago appears in all it's error in post 145.

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You can save Hismessenger much embarrassment by simply “quoting >>” from my work to begin whining about ‘errors’ to remove all doubt! I used the term ‘taken*’ just one time on Page 15 of this debate, saying,

Terral said:

Find “Today” again to realize the “First Resurrection” is about to take place with our mystery rapture to ‘start’ the 1000 Year Day of the Lord. This marks the time that Elijah returns to restore ‘all things’ (Matt. 17:10-11) as the ‘prophet’ of Acts 3:22-23, which includes the ‘Tabernacle of David’ (Acts 15:16-18) once our ‘Body of Christ’ is 'TAKEN*' to assume the heavenly seats vacated by Satan’s chaining (Rev. 20:2 = Rev. 1:10). We rule with Christ IN HEAVEN for the entire 1000 Year Day of the Lord (Rev. 1-20), until we return with Him in glory (Col. 3:4) at the END of the Age still 1000 Years in the future.

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I believe that Hismessenger made the mistake of assuming that my statements about Church #1 being 'gathered**' is connected to 'their' rapture that simply does NOT even exist. I said,

Terral said:

Your Bible is laid out according to this Prophecy/Mystery Timeline ‘and’ a map of the triune Tabernacle of Moses and the Temple (diagram = Fig 2). You have 4000 years from Adam’s fall (Gen. 3:21) to the end of the Old Testament when God began fulfilling His promises to Israel of the flesh by offering the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (Gospel #1) through which Peter’s Early Rains ‘Bride’ (Church #1) WAS GATHERED** some 2000 years ago. Find ‘Today’ on the timeline to realize we are living near the END of the “2000 Year Mystery Time” that the OT prophets were NOT allowed to see ‘and’ that our mystery rapture BEGINS the upcoming 1000 Year Day of the Lord shown here also in blue:

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My use of terms here (gathered) concerns all of the Early Rains Kingdom Bride Disciples (like Peter, John and James) being 'gathered' by obeying the "Gospel of the Kingdom" (Gospel #1) like Christ is saying here:

"But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the Kingdom of God [Mark 1:14-15] has come upon you. Or how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not 'GATHER**' with Me [like Matt. 10:5-7] scatters." Matthew 12:28-30.

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Therefore, from the best I can tell, Hismessenger is trying to split hairs with me over how Kingdom Disciples are 'gathered' by obeying the 'Gospel of the Kingdom' versus how our Mystery Body of Christ is 'taken' (caught up = 1Thes. 4:17) to meet the Lord in the air, as part of 'our gathering' to the Lord (2Thes 2:1) that begins the 1000 Year Day of the Lord (= 'at hand' in 2Thes 2:2).

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Hi Hismessenger:

Hismessenger said:

Why is Satan about and where is Christ if we are in the time after the first resurrection as Terral supposes.

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Why is Satan about? The devil is chained (Rev. 20:2) when the 1000 Year Day of the Lord BEGINS (is “at hand” = 2Thes 2:2), which is still in the future. The First Resurrection takes place with our Mystery (1Cor. 15:51-53) Rapture (1Thes. 4:15-17) that can happen at any time to START the 1000 Year Day of the Lord (in blue) where the devil and all the members of his evil body are CHAINED (Rev. 20:2), when our mystery trumpet sounds off ‘behind’ John in Revelation 1:10. The Lamb of God (Christ) is at the right hand of God (Col. 3:1-3) making intercession for the saints (Rom. 8:34) right this moment as we speak.

How you think that the First Resurrection has already taken place I have no clue. If the First Resurrection already happened (not yet), then our mystery Body of Christ would have already put on immortality (1Cor. 15:51-53) and we would have already been Raptured (1Thes. 4:17) and we would already be IN the Lamb of Revelation and the 1000 Year Day of the Lord (pic) would have already started. We are living near the END of the 2000 Year Mystery Time (find "Today") in anticipation of our Mystery Rapture, which means Christ’s END of the Age prophecies from Matthew 24 (Zech. 14 + Dan. 9-12) will be fulfilled in just about 1000 Years; when we (Body of Christ) return with Him in glory (Col. 3:4).

Your Post-Tribulation Rapture theory assumes that 'we' (Body of Christ) are "The Elect" of Matt. 24:30-31 being gathered, but in reality 'we' are among the Holy Ones (Zech. 14:5) returning with Christ and doing the gathering. By the time that Christ's END of the Age prophecies are fulfilled, then 'we' (Body of Christ) will have already been with Him 'in heaven' for the same 1000 Years that the devil is CHAINED and the same 1000 Years contained inside the 1000 Year Day of the Lord (in blue again) that starts way back in Revelation 1:10 in the very near future. :0)

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Terral said:

Hi Onwings:

These passages say no such thing. Mr Onwings does not know the difference between Christ’s Second ‘Prophetic Coming’ (Matt. 24:30-31) at the “END of the Age” and His ‘Mystery Coming’ for our ‘Body of Christ’ to START the 1000 Year Day of the Lord. My thread describing the difference is here and Ownwings is invited to offer his rebuttals. Paul connects ‘our’ translation to immortality to ‘The Mystery’ saying,

‘Our’ mystery trumpet sounds off ‘behind’ John in Revelation 1:10 when the “Lord’s Day” (Day of the Lord) BEGINS to start the same 1000 Year Period that Satan and the evil members of his body are chained in the pit. God binds the devil in the pit during the same ‘times and epochs’ (1Thes 5:1-2) period that He restores the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7) ‘and’ during the same 1000 Year Day of the Lord that ‘we’ rule with Christ from heaven ‘and’ from the same heavenly seats vacated by Satan and his evil forces of ‘this darkness’ (Eph. 6:12). Our mystery rapture takes place in the very near future with Christ’s ‘mystery’ coming for His body. However, Christ’s Prophetic Second Coming (Matt. 24:30-31) is still 1000 Years in the future ‘after’ Elijah has returned to restore all things and ‘after’ the antichrist has made Israel's restored kingdom DESOLATE. The diagram depicting these events looks like this:

The Old Testament Prophets stand in the “Holy of Holies” of Scripture and see very clearly into the 1000 Year Day of the Lord shaded in light blue, but they see nothing inside our current 2000 Year Mystery Time shaded in red. Find ‘Today’ on the 7000 Year timeline to realize we are about to be Raptured (1Thes 4:16-17) at the ‘First Resurrection’ that is ‘our’ “Day of Redemption” (Eph. 4:30) so that ‘we’ (Body of Christ) rule with Christ (like Peter and the Bride) for 1000 years. Revelation gives you a big clue to solve this mystery, saying,

“Our” mystery rapture marks the ‘start’ of the 1000 Years, as we appear before John as Christ’s brand new body in Revelation 1:10-19 to START the 1000 Year Day of the Lord. Since ‘someone’ is going to rule WITH CHRIST FOR THE 1000 YEARS, then obviously ‘someone’ is resurrected 1000 years BEFORE the END of the Age (Matt. 24:3+) prophecies even begin to be fulfilled. If our Mystery “Body of Christ” is gathered ‘after’ the Great Tribulation, then how are ‘we’ going to rule with Christ for the 1000 Years? :0) No sir. Paul teaches that ‘we’ (Body of Christ) return with Christ IN GLORY, which means ‘we’ have already been with Christ IN HEAVEN for the 1000 Years, ‘before’ returning with Him in glory.

We (Body of Christ) are God’s heavenly replacements for Satan and the members of his evil body chained to START the 1000 Year Day of the Lord and obviously there are not 1000 years between the END of the Great Tribulation and the END of the Age taking place at about the same time. Therefore, Onwing’s timing is off only by the same 1000 years contained within the Day of the Lord itself. :0)

No sir. This is ‘Onwings’ making these bold assertions without even quoting one word from God ‘and’ without giving us one word of commentary for ‘his’ errant explanation. The ‘Elect’ gathered at the END of the Age about 1000 Years from today is saved by obeying the “Eternal Gospel” (Rev. 14:6), which was highlighted in my diagram above in yellow (upper right). By the time ‘we’ return with Christ in glory, then ‘we’ will have already been with Him for the same 1000 Years contained within the Day of the Lord. Everything that Christ tells the Disciples in Matthew 24/Mark 13 is a matter of “Prophecy” seen by the prophets, but everything “Paul” talks about (1Thes. 4:16-17, 1Cor. 15:51-53*) is “according to the revelation of THE MYSTERY” like our gospel (Rom. 16:25), our church (Eph. 3:4-6, 5:32) and our translation to immortality*. Onwings is confusing the END of this current 2000 Year Mystery Time and the END of the Dispensation of God’s Grace (Eph. 3:2) on this earth with the END of the Age taking place 1000 years LATER (Matt. 24:3-31) without knowing the difference . . .

Paul is describing ‘our’ mystery trumpet that ENDS this current 2000 Year Mystery Time that sounds off ‘behind’ John in Rev. 1:10. What is Onwing’s explanation for this trumpet sounding off behind John that STARTS the 1000 Years way back here in Revelation 1? :0) No sir. Our mystery translation to immortality is the “First Resurrection,” while the Second Resurrection (Rev 20:11-15) ENDS the same 1000 year Day of the Lord.

No sir. Christ is NOT addressing ‘us’ (BODY of Christ = Church #2 here) anywhere in the Four Gospels where He was sent to Israel ONLY. Our mystery church begin with Paul on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:15-16), which means Christ could NOT have been addressing ‘our’ nonexistent BODY of Christ anywhere in the Four Gospels at all. “Rightly Dividing” the word of truth means placing dividers (veils) between Christ’s commands and prophecies for His Kingdom BRIDE (Church #1 here) and His Mystery “BODY of Christ” (Church #2) still in the earth today as we speak. Onwings’ error is that he does NOT see the ‘two dispensations’ (Bride and Body), as he mixes ‘Prophecy’ for the Kingdom Bride with the ‘Mystery’ for our Body of Christ without knowing the difference . . .

By the time of the ‘last day,’ then ‘we’ (Body of Christ) will already have ruled with Christ for the entire 1000 Years contained within the 1000 Year Day of the Lord. You have allowed Peter’s simple teaching to escape ‘your’ notice:

Onwings have FAILED to give the proper “1000 Years” to the “Day of the Lord” that only begins with John in Revelation 1:10 with ‘our’ mystery trumpet (1Cor 15:52, 1Thes 4:16) sounding off ‘behind’ him. John is telling the story of PROPHECY very much seen by the OT Prophets ‘and’ he could NOT see Paul’s ‘mystery’ trumpet, because of the ‘veil’ separating Paul’s “Holy Place” Epistles from the Kingdom “Court” Epistles shown here. Christ descends with the trumpet of God and the voice of the Archangel with which He then CHAINS the devil and his evil cronies for the same 1000 Years contained within the Day of the Lord. The ‘archangel’ is mentioned only twice in Scripture with the other reference connected to the dispute about the “Body of Moses”. However, ‘this time’ Christ will be coming for His “Body of Christ” (that's us) prepared over the course of this past 2000 Years to START the 1000 Year Day of the Lord, so ‘we’ can return with Christ in glory at the END of the Age some 1000 Years LATER. The “Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theorists” are off by the same 1000 Years contained inside the Day of the Lord, as ANY explanation connecting ‘our’ Mystery Gathering to the Great Tribulation (Matt. 24:21, Rev 7:14) is OFF by the same 1000 Years contained within the Day of the Lord itself. Your New Testament has a blood witness (Pauline Epistles) ‘and’ a water witness (Kingdom Epistles), as Christ came in both blood and water (1Jn 5:6-8). In short, Onwings is tossing all the elements of Prophecy and Paul’s “The Mystery” together into a single pot to take out things tasting good to Onwings and without ‘rightly dividing’ anything at all.

No sir. Onwings is saying these things after simply pasting ‘Rev 20:4-6’ to his Opening Post. :0) “Our” mystery rapture has NOTHING to do with any tribulation, which is the reason Paul tells the Thessalonians (and ‘us’) to live a quiet life and to work with our hands (1Thes. 4:10-11), before describing ‘our’ Rapture that ‘starts’ the 1000 Year day of the Lord. Since 1000 years separate the first and second resurrections, then obviously Onwings has failed to include the 1000 Year Day of the Lord ‘between’ those two resurrections.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

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What if its 999 years? Or 1001? Do you believe that it will be exactly 1000 years?

Terral, I told you it was post 145 in my post 184. Your words not mine. Church #1 was take 2000 years ago. Right below your pretty chart in the middle of the paragraph.

hiosmesseger

The Open Door Rapture

Soon the World is going to experience the Rapture, as it's ushered on the doorstep of humanity... In a moment, In the Twinkling of an Eye, The Rapture will be an Earthly fact of Living Reality.

We Are As The Days of Noah Now, and the Rapture Miracle is the Next BIG event on the Prophecy Calendar.

The people(Nations) refused to listen, and believe Noah as he built the Ark right in front of the multitudes of people! Noah must have warned the Rebellious, and stubborn people over, and over, Time, and Time again! Almighty God instructed Noah to build the Ark, and Noah did as instructed in great Faith.

Noah (The Righteous did enter into the open DOOR, and they were indeed kept safe in Noahs Ark! The people(Nations) were deceived, and thought it was just another day on planet Earth (until) the day that Noah(The Righteous) entered into the open DOOR of the ark, and then the flood came, and destroyed them all, All the people Left Behind as shared in the scripture Luke 17:27 We now share the Open DOOR Rapture with you! Revelation 4:1


*Notice the Door is open (Rapture) in Revelation 4:1, and Matthew 25:10 shares the Bridegroom(Jesus Christ) came, and those who were Ready(Awake) (Wise) Lamps Lit, and filled with oil went in with him to the Marriage, and then (the Door was shut.) and those Left Behind entered the Tribulation.

Matthew 25:10
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and (they that were *ready went in with him to the marriage: and the (door was shut)

John 10:7
Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, (I am the door of the sheep)

James 5:8-9
Be ye also patient, stablish your hearts. (*for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh) 9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned, behold, the judge standeth before the (door)

Revelation 3:8
I know thy works.(*behold,I have set before thee an (open door) and no man can shut it,for thou hast a little strength,and hast kept my word,and hast not denied my name.

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the (door) and knock. if any man hear my voice, and (open the door) I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Open Door Rapture…

Revelation 4:1
After this (I looked) and, behold, a (door was opened) in heaven, and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a (trumpet) talking with me. which said, (Come up hither) and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

I appreciate YOU, and Thank YOU...

To read more about this message, visit RaptureProphecy.com and read the webpage called (The Open Door Rapture)

Isaiah5417amen said:

The Open Door Rapture

Soon the World is going to experience the Rapture, as it's ushered on the doorstep of humanity... In a moment, In the Twinkling of an Eye, The Rapture will be an Earthly fact of Living Reality.

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Why did you leave out the phrase at the last trump?
1st Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed
I guess since the fact that the rapture occurs at the last trump doesn't fit your false pretrib rapture belief you will just ignore it huh?

Isaiah5417amen said:

We Are As The Days of Noah Now, and the Rapture Miracle is the Next BIG event on the Prophecy Calendar.

The people(Nations) refused to listen, and believe Noah as he built the Ark right in front of the multitudes of people! Noah must have warned the Rebellious, and stubborn people over, and over, Time, and Time again! Almighty God instructed Noah to build the Ark, and Noah did as instructed in great Faith.

Noah (The Righteous did enter into the open DOOR, and they were indeed kept safe in Noahs Ark! The people(Nations) were deceived, and thought it was just another day on planet Earth (until) the day that Noah(The Righteous) entered into the open DOOR of the ark, and then the flood came, and destroyed them all, All the people Left Behind as shared in the scripture Luke 17:27 We now share the Open DOOR Rapture with you! Revelation 4:1


*Notice the Door is open (Rapture) in Revelation 4:1, and Matthew 25:10 shares the Bridegroom(Jesus Christ) came, and those who were Ready(Awake) (Wise) Lamps Lit, and filled with oil went in with him to the Marriage, and then (the Door was shut.) and those Left Behind entered the Tribulation.

Matthew 25:10
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and (they that were *ready went in with him to the marriage: and the (door was shut)

John 10:7
Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, (I am the door of the sheep)

James 5:8-9
Be ye also patient, stablish your hearts. (*for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh) 9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned, behold, the judge standeth before the (door)

Revelation 3:8
I know thy works.(*behold,I have set before thee an (open door) and no man can shut it,for thou hast a little strength,and hast kept my word,and hast not denied my name.

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the (door) and knock. if any man hear my voice, and (open the door) I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Open Door Rapture…

Revelation 4:1
After this (I looked) and, behold, a (door was opened) in heaven, and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a (trumpet) talking with me. which said, (Come up hither) and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

I appreciate YOU, and Thank YOU...

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2 things
#1 the reason the last days are like the days of Noah is because the wicked do not believe the truth until destruction comes upon them, and that destruction is no the tribulation and the rapture is not pretrib the destruction of the wicked is the coming of Christ and the rapture is post trib right before the fire falls on the wicked as Christ is returning.
Matthew 24
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


Luke 17
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.





#2 Anyone that thinks that Revelation 4:1 has anything to do with the rapture is obviously dulusional. Revelation 4 is about a vision John the Revelatator has of the throne room, it has absolutely nothing to do with any rapture muchless a pretrib rapture.

The word says the tribulation was during the first century and it happened to the jews who rejected Jesus as Messiah and the ushering in of the new covenant. Matthew 24:29-34.
People get this confused because of the verse about the moon and stars not giving light. They think this has to mean an endtimes event when in fact its just judgement language of the old testament Jesus is using to show a people is about to be judged. The judgements in Revelations were clearly to the first century as John tells us those things were about to take place and were at hand. The angel giving the visions even said dont close the words of this prophecy for the time was at hand, not 2000 years later (rev 1; rev 22).

The rapture is clearly the last day at the last trumpet and all who are in the graves, saved and lost are ressurected for the judgement. John 5, john 6, 1 cor 15:51-53.

Isaiah5417amen said:

The Open Door Rapture

Soon the World is going to experience the Rapture, as it's ushered on the doorstep of humanity... In a moment, In the Twinkling of an Eye, The Rapture will be an Earthly fact of Living Reality.

We Are As The Days of Noah Now, and the Rapture Miracle is the Next BIG event on the Prophecy Calendar.

The people(Nations) refused to listen, and believe Noah as he built the Ark right in front of the multitudes of people! Noah must have warned the Rebellious, and stubborn people over, and over, Time, and Time again! Almighty God instructed Noah to build the Ark, and Noah did as instructed in great Faith.

Noah (The Righteous did enter into the open DOOR, and they were indeed kept safe in Noahs Ark! The people(Nations) were deceived, and thought it was just another day on planet Earth (until) the day that Noah(The Righteous) entered into the open DOOR of the ark, and then the flood came, and destroyed them all, All the people Left Behind as shared in the scripture Luke 17:27 We now share the Open DOOR Rapture with you! Revelation 4:1


*Notice the Door is open (Rapture) in Revelation 4:1, and Matthew 25:10 shares the Bridegroom(Jesus Christ) came, and those who were Ready(Awake) (Wise) Lamps Lit, and filled with oil went in with him to the Marriage, and then (the Door was shut.) and those Left Behind entered the Tribulation.

Matthew 25:10
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and (they that were *ready went in with him to the marriage: and the (door was shut)

John 10:7
Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, (I am the door of the sheep)

James 5:8-9
Be ye also patient, stablish your hearts. (*for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh) 9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned, behold, the judge standeth before the (door)

Revelation 3:8
I know thy works.(*behold,I have set before thee an (open door) and no man can shut it,for thou hast a little strength,and hast kept my word,and hast not denied my name.

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the (door) and knock. if any man hear my voice, and (open the door) I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Open Door Rapture…

Revelation 4:1
After this (I looked) and, behold, a (door was opened) in heaven, and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a (trumpet) talking with me. which said, (Come up hither) and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

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There is no secret rapture just a general rapture at the last day when all who are in the graves will be ressurected, judged, and seperated. Matthew 25, John 5, John 6, Rev 20

Revelations was about the judgement of the jews (false prophet) of his day, not an endtime sequence of events.

Revelation is not an end time book but the revealing of the ministry of Jesus Christ from the Alpha to the Omega.
Read it with that mindset and you will truly be surprised at how much better your understanding of what it is saying will be.

Just a quick over view, when the woman gives birth to the man child, it is the physical manifestation of Christ in the earth. His birth in Bethlehem. It occurs half way through the book which is going from old covenant to the new.

hismessenger

zeke37 said:

the rapture is not two events but one...post trib.....when the dead are raised......after the trouble of that time.....read 1Thes4 but start at verse 13, as that sets the thought.....where are the dead?.....the elect are gathered after, (not precede) their Raising....so pre trib MUST be incorrect.


I was pre trib for a small amount of time...lol.



way too much evidence for post trib.



remember that Satan comes first to fool the world....and a pre trib position with a post trib reality would set one up to worship the first Jesus to arrive, which will be Satan in disguise.


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Absolutely. There is one general resurrection on the last day (Daniel 12, John 5, Revelations 20). The saved and lost at the same time then he seperates the goats and the sheep. Yes, its at the last trumpet (1 cor 15) on the last day (John 6).
Yes we were grafted in and now there is neither jew nor greek. Jesus fulfilled all the new covenant promises in the Church fulfilling all old testament verses in which it clearly states the gentiles will be part of that covenant.
Dispensationalism is the worst false doctrine in the evangelical Church along with Tongues and Charasmatica, of course.

Revelations is written for the first century Church about the tribulation that is about to occur to the people who rejected Christ. Remember Jesus said all the judgement for the killing of the prophets would be on that generation not futuristic. Revelations 22 is clear, dont close the book for the time was at hand. This is why John in 1 John 2 said it was the last hour. It was about the end and destruction of the old covenant not the world being destroyed.

stjesusfreak8 said:

Absolutely. There is one general resurrection on the last day (Daniel 12, John 5, Revelations 20). The saved and lost at the same time then he seperates the goats and the sheep. Yes, its at the last trumpet (1 cor 15) on the last day (John 6).
Yes we were grafted in and now there is neither jew nor greek. Jesus fulfilled all the new covenant promises in the Church fulfilling all old testament verses in which it clearly states the gentiles will be part of that covenant.
Dispensationalism is the worst false doctrine in the evangelical Church along with Tongues and Charasmatica, of course.

Revelations is written for the first century Church about the tribulation that is about to occur to the people who rejected Christ. Remember Jesus said all the judgement for the killing of the prophets would be on that generation not futuristic. Revelations 22 is clear, dont close the book for the time was at hand. This is why John in 1 John 2 said it was the last hour. It was about the end and destruction of the old covenant not the world being destroyed.

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Great post and I agree!

Luke 21:31, Reve 1:3 and Reve 22:10 tell the OC Judeans that the time is "nigh".
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Luke 21:31 "Thus also ye whenever ye may be seeing these becoming, ye are knowing that NIGH/egguV <1451> is the Kingdom of the God."

Reve 1:3 Happy/Blessed/makarioV <3107> the one reading and the ones hearing the Words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been Written for the Time NIGH/egguV <1451>. [Reve 22:6,10]

Revelation 22:10 And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this, that the Time NIGH/egguV <1451> is" [Revelation 1:3]

1451. eggus eng-goos' from a primary verb agcho (to squeeze or throttle; akin to the base of 43); near (literally or figuratively, of place or time):--from , at hand, near, nigh (at hand, unto), ready.

Hi guys...I believe that Mat24/Mar13/Luke21/1Thes4/1Cor15/Rev11 and 19 all happen at the same time.....

when Christ comes and the dead elect are raised and gathered together with the elect alive at that time...


so no pre trib, and no past fulfillment....One Coming beginning the day of the Lord/Millennium...a long day ending with final judgement.


24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

a future (to John's writing) coming

27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

do you guys think that has happened yet IYO?

28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

so we are told that when these things come to pass, that is when we are to look up and that is when the time is NIGH. It did not have to be at John's century....but rather whenever the time of the gentiles is fulfilled, obviously yet future to even us today (if we look at what stands on the Holy Place today)

29And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

30When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

31So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

32Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

the big question is who/when is/was the subject of "This" generation....

is it John's generation, or is it the subect's generation, that of a future fig tree that excists when the tinme of the gentiles is fulfilled and one that actually gets to see the son of Man Comes in the Clouds with Glory.......

remember that when they see those signs, including the fulfillment of the time of the gentiles and the son of God Himself...in the sky coming with clouds of believers and great Glory, that is when the generation is...that is when the fig tree is...



many suggest it is now and link it to Jer's fig tree prophesy, and current day Israel...I agree.

was summer at hand in John's century....?
Not in my opinion...
I don't think that happened way back then.....
I don't think Christ Came way back then,
And I think John clearly says the word WHEN....enough times.... to get the point that it was NOT his generation, but a future one ...when they fulfill/when they see etc...not that his generation would fulfill it.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-6
1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, &#8220;Peace and safety!&#8221; then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.