Florida Family Policy Council, Inc. et al v. Broward County, Florida et al

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Does a Federal District Court Registry count as a reliable news source?

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-flsdce/case_no-0:2007cv60600/case_id-294491/

Here is the original news article back in 2006 and the update is not on the newswires yet, but the case was just filed, so... I cited the case on the Federal District Registry as reliable news that the case has been filed and the lawsuit started in federal court.
 

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Background...

Local Police Attempt to Block Collection of Pro-Marriage Petitions Agape Press - June 7 ,2006 A pro-family group in Florida is outraged over the behavior of some police officers last weekend who tried to stop a petition drive aimed at protecting traditional marriage. Last weekend members of the Florida Family Policy Council were at a Promise Keepers conference in Broward County where they were collecting petitions for the Florida4Marriage campaign, an effort to get onto the November 2008 ballot an amendment protecting traditional marriage.

The pro-family group had paid a fee to have a booth at the PK event at which it was collecting the petitions in support of the campaign`s goal of gathering 611,009 signatures by July 12, 2006.
Then in what the group calls a "stunning display of unprofessional conduct," several members of the City of Sunrise Police Department arrived at the scene and ordered Council vice president Nathan Dunn to stop collecting the petitions, and then removed the petitions from public view. A discussion ensued, during which John Stemberger -- president and general counsel for the Council -- was summoned to the scene. The group says Stemberger`s request for an explanation of what law or ordinance was being violated was ignored by Police Sergeant Stephen Allen, who it says then began lecturing nearby volunteers on what Jesus taught about homosexuality, claiming that the petition effort was a waste of time and that he was the authority and they should obey him.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645562/posts

I welcome the intervention of pro-family and Bible-based law firms to defend anti-Christ hate by the police.
 
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Finally after doing due deliberations and investigations, the Florida Family Council decided to sue. Here is the email announcement after 10 months of investigation and negotiation...

When will the liberals and secularists ever learn? They know they cannot defeat us with truth, so they to illegally censor us! Fortunately we have Christian attorneys to claim our rights. I rejoice in God's defenders. May He richly bless them.
4-26-2007

Florida Family Policy Council Sues Harassing Police Officer

by Jennifer Mesko, associate editor


Staff, volunteers were told to stop collecting marriage petitions. Last year, the Florida Family Policy Council (FFPC) rented a tent at a Promise Keepers conference to hand out information on the state's marriage protection amendment and to collect petitions.
But some Sunrise, Fla., police officers would have none of it. They shut down the petitioners. Then, Sgt. Stephen Allen took it upon himself to lecture the family advocates on homosexuality and the Bible. He went so far as to mockingly kiss another officer.
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Now FFPC is fighting back. It filed suit Tuesday in federal district court, charging that Broward County and Allen violated the civil rights of its staff and volunteers.
"We have the highest regard for law enforcement officers in this state who lay down their lives to protect us every day," John Stemberger, president of the Florida Family Policy Council, said in a statement. "This was a blatant violation of the First Amendment.
"The officer in charge appeared to have a personal agenda and displayed a lack of professionalism, as well as an utter disregard for our constitutional rights," said Stemberger, who was threatened with arrest.
Bruce Hausknecht, judicial analyst for Focus on the Family Action, said such behavior offers a glimpse into the future if the U.S. Congress passes "hate-crimes" legislation.
"Believers everywhere should rise up and defend their First Amendment free speech rights in every case like this, before they wake up one day to find that Christian speech like 'one-man, one-woman marriage' is punished as 'hate speech.'"
 
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Does a Federal District Court Registry count as a reliable news source?

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-flsdce/case_no-0:2007cv60600/case_id-294491/

Here is the original news article back in 2006 and the update is not on the newswires yet, but the case was just filed, so... I cited the case on the Federal District Registry as reliable news that the case has been filed and the lawsuit started in federal court.
Cant find anything on the wesite you linked to, and it happened in 2006. No a very current event, is it? Your only link is to freerepublic? There is a reliable and non-biased source ^_^
 
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I found the complaint (through pacer, so I can't link to it), and it looks like the city had a policy that restricted petitioning on the public square to three "free speech zones." The group ran afoul of the policy and hilarity ensues.

Hopefully they'll win. I find their politics odious, but if I'm ever in FL I'd like the chance to pass out petitions in that same square urging their banishment to Taliban-run Afghani backcountry, where they'd feel more at home.
 
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You’d think that such a simple political act as getting a petition signed would have long ago been settled an an “inalienable right” in American jurisprudence, especially if you have paid for a table at the event, and the promoters have approved your purpose, and indeed it has been settled by the courts.

Well, someone needs to inform the Sunrise, Florida Police Department of this tenet of American law, because between them, five of that city’s officers couldn’t get it right.

Working from a rented table at the June 2-3 conference, the group was there to try and collect signatures on petitions calling for a statewide vote on protecting traditional marriage — that between one man and one woman. However, Sunrise police officers stepped in and stopped the petition signing, physically removing the petitions from the table,

This is like a nightmare — a clearly defined constitutional right being denied by a sworn officer of the law! And why? For no other reason than the officer’s personal beliefs were different from those of the group seeking to have a peition signed by legal Florida voters.
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:FZjcgNCRnKoJ:www.righttrack.us/category/homosexuality/+%22Florida+Family+Policy+Council%22+2007+allen+Stemberger+lawsuit&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

The right to petition congress and local gov't is in the US Constitution. What could the guilty cops have been thinking?

Radical liberals know they cannot win over Christ with logic and facts. It has been my observation that they censor Christians rather than allow debate. In like manner they fear the power of Bible truth so much that they censor any public display of it... including in the political arena.

I predict the city will fold and settle... The officers will probably discover they are better suited for other careers. And we will have set a legal precedent.
 
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http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:FZjcgNCRnKoJ:www.righttrack.us/category/homosexuality/+%22Florida+Family+Policy+Council%22+2007+allen+Stemberger+lawsuit&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

The right to petition congress and local gov't is in the US Constitution. What could the guilty cops have been thinking?

Liberals know they cannot win over Christ with logic and facts. It has been my observation that they censor Christians rather than allow debate. In like manner they fear the power of Bible truth so much that they censor any public display of it... including in the political arena.

I predict the city will fold and settle... The officers will probably discover they are better suited for other careers. And we will have set a legal precedent.

Do you even know what the issue is about?
 
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In other words, it is an issue about where petitioning can be done and not about the content of the petition.
When the policy is unconstitutional and when it is applied unequally the lawsuit is justified. In this case having "restricted petitioning on the public square to three free speech zones" is unconstitutional on its face.

That is why the Christian law firm investigated for so many months. Local policy cannot trump the US Constitution. There is no constitutional way to restrict or limit free speech by content or place in an public forum like an open square. Similar cases have established this.

The city will wisely settle, revise its policy, and cut its losses... and fire a few cops.

This victory for free speech would not have happened if the victims had depended upon the ACLU! The ACLU has never defended the free speech rights of people speaking against the homosexual agenda! That is why I am especially proud of my Christian non-profit law firms. God bless them!


 
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When the policy is unconstitutional and when it is applied unequally the lawsuit is justified. In this case having "restricted petitioning on the public square to three free speech zones" is unconstitutional on its face.

That is why the Christian law firm investigated for so many months. Local policy cannot trump the US Constitution. There is no constitutional way to restrict or limit free speech by content or place in an public forum like an open square. Similar cases have established this.

The city will wisely settle, revise its policy, and cut its losses... and fire a few cops.

This victory for free speech would not have happened if the victims had depended upon the ACLU! The ACLU has never defended the free speech rights of people speaking against the homosexual agenda! That is why I am especially proud of my Christian non-profit law firms. God bless them!




Where exactly have you shown that the policy was being enforced in a discriminatory way?
 
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Nearly a year after receiving threats from Broward County Police, the Florida Family Policy Council (FFPC) is filing a suit in Federal District Court against two officers for violating the group's First Amendment rights. Last June, the FFPC paid to exhibit at a Promise Keepers Conference in Sunrise. As part of its display, volunteers distributed information about the state's marriage protection amendment and asked visitors to sign the petition in an effort to get the proposal on the 2008 ballot. Later that day, the group had some surprise visitors at its booth--the Sunrise Police Department.--who showed up and shut down their petition drive. Sergeant Stephen Allen, the officer in charge at the scene, lectured the FFPC and onlookers about Jesus' supposed views on homosexuality and the Bible's command to obey authorities.

When asked, the officers refused to provide a legal justification for their actions, but their political agendas were quite evident when Sgt. Allen leaned over and mockingly kissed a fellow male officer in front of the group. FFPC President John Stemberger said, "The officer in charge... displayed a lack of professionalism as well as utter disregard for our constitutional rights."

Stemberger, who was "personally threatened with arrest" if the petitions remained on the table, said, "We are simply not going to be discriminated against because certain bad cops do not like our message." We applaud Stemberger's group for taking the officers to task.

Theirs was a classic abuse of power that, if unchecked, would empower other law enforcement authorities to intimidate people based on their personal and political bias. The Sunrise Police exist to protect the rights of FFPC--not infringe on them.

Fortunately, their actions haven't dampened the enthusiasm of voters for the Florida4Marriage campaign. So far, the group is only 21,000 signatures shy of the required 611,009 needed to get the issue on the ballot.

This is an email from the Family Research Council showing how the policy was unfairly applied. It is an illegal policy so ANY application is ILLEGAL too!

And the illegal lecture by the cop on behalf of the homosexual agenda is further proof the enforcement of the illegal law was biased in its method.

I praise the FRC of Florida for their gracious and Godly behavior in the face of illegal bias and discrimination. Nicely done as a testimony for Jesus. And now for the unfinished business of winning the lawsuit to protect other Americans from this illegal policy... and to raise the rest of the signatures for the petition... which is another victory over the illegal bias of the cops.

Another example of how the love of Christ triumphs over hate.
 
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This is an email from the Family Research Council showing how the policy was unfairly applied. It is an illegal policy so ANY application is ILLEGAL too!

And the illegal lecture by the cop on behalf of the homosexual agenda is further proof the enforcement of the illegal law was biased in its method.

I praise the FRC of Florida for their gracious and Godly behavior in the face of illegal bias and discrimination. Nicely done as a testimony for Jesus. And now for the unfinished business of winning the lawsuit to protect other Americans from this illegal policy... and to raise the rest of the signatures for the petition... which is another victory over the illegal bias of the cops.

That's funny!! There is no evidence there. That's the freaking claim!

Would you accept a copy of a press release from the ACLU as evidence that their side of the case is the truth?

What a crock.

Besides which, it doesn't address my question. There is nothing there that shows that other groups have been allowed to use the space while they were not.


Another example of how the love of Christ triumphs over hate.

Actually, it's an example of how twisted and hateful people pervert all the good stuff that Christ is claimed to have said.

The golden rule is lost on some.
 
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LovesTruth said:
Another example of how the love of Christ triumphs over hate.

In my opinion (and the expression of opinion is not against the rules), this is perhaps the greatest example of unintentional irony ever posted on CF.

Yes, the right to petition the Federal government is enshrined in the First Amendment, and to the best of my knowledge it's been incorporated into the Fourteenth by a Supreme Court decision (one of those "judge-made penumbras," you know --that make sure that the guarantees of the Fourteenth Amendment actually mean something). However, it's equally solidly established that "time, place, and manner" regulations regulation the exercse of rights and not affecting content are completely within the ambit of the police power. See post #5 for (an unsubstantiated) statement that it was in fact "time place and manner" and not content that was regulated.

The fact they paid Promise Keepers for a permit is immaterial -- Promise Keepers had no right to authorize them to do something afoul of the local ordinances. I'll be glad to sell you a permit to go downtown here and hand out copies of all your ACLJ, ADF, LifeSite, and WorldNetDaily research -- but you know what the cops are going to do when they see that permit? Laugh at it, and tell you to get lost -- I have no legal right to grant you a permit. And neither did Promise Keepers.
 
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There is another word you forgot. Government is allowed to place "reasonable" time, place, and manner restrictions upon free speech. The restraint upon petitions is unreasonable... especially when only THREE are permitted.

The city must prove a compelling government interest in restricting free speech petitioning government to only THREE in number. Ofcourse they cannot do so.

Count on it. The city attorney is desparate now, and looking for a least cost settlement... unless he can prove to a federal judge that somehow petitioning government by more than three parties creates such a terrible threat to public safety! Ain't gonna happen.

Thank God for the Alliance Defense Fund, Liberty Counsel, and the American Center for Law and Justice for helping the victims of censorship for free!
 
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There is another word you forgot. Government is allowed to place "reasonable" time, place, and manner restrictions upon free speech. The restraint upon petitions is unreasonable... especially when only THREE are permitted.

The city must prove a compelling government interest in restricting free speech petitioning government to only THREE in number. Ofcourse they cannot do so.

Count on it. The city attorney is desparate now, and looking for a least cost settlement... unless he can prove to a federal judge that somehow petitioning government by more than three parties creates such a terrible threat to public safety! Ain't gonna happen.

Thank God for the Alliance Defense Fund, Liberty Counsel, and the American Center for Law and Justice for helping the victims of censorship for free!

I see that you've been unable to show that they were discriminated against vis-a-vis other groups. And I'd like to see you address Polycarp1's point that Promise Keepers does not have authority to grant permits.
 
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