Biblical repentance

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Bigchrisfilm,

I’m familiar with the ministry of the late Baptist Pastor Jack Hyles. No doubt there are many fine Christians at the church where he served as pastor. And he does deserve credit for his strong emphasis on evangelism. Let’s take a look though again at the quote from Hyles regarding repentance: "If a person were saved by good works, then he would have to repent of bad works, or of not doing good works, in order to be saved. If a person were saved by quitting his sinning, then he would have to repent of his sinning in order to be saved. A person is saved by believing, so he repents of his unbelief or turns from his unbelief in order to be saved." Repentance goes further than simply turning from unbelief to belief. It is a change of heart and mind, which is ongoing throughout the Christian life.

Note the contrast in Hyles teaching on repentance and that of the late Baptist Evangelist John R. Rice: ‘Does not the Bible say that we must repent? Yes, the Bible plainly says that "God ... commandeth all men every where to repent" (Acts 17:30), and again, "Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3, 5). This was the preaching of John the Baptist, of Jesus, of Peter and of Paul, that men should repent. And certainly repentance is God's plan of salvation…To repent literally means to have a change of mind or spirit toward God and toward sin. It means to turn from your sins, earnestly, with all your heart, and trust in Jesus Christ to save you. You can see, then, how the man who believes in Christ repents and the man who repents believes in Christ. The jailer repented when he turned from sin to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.’ (What Must I Do to Be Saved? http://libertarianchristians.org/saved) Note that repentance here is both a change of “mind or spirit toward God and toward sin“, not simply turning from unbelief to belief.

The 18th century Evangelist George Whitefield characterized true repentance in this way: “If your repentance is true, you are renewed throughout, both in soul and body; your understandings are enlightened with the knowledge of God, and of the Lord Jesus Christ; and your wills, which were stubborn, obstinate, and hated all good, are obedient and conformable to the will of God.” (Great Sermons by Great Preachers, p. 66)

Martin Luther in his famous Ninety-Five Theses characterized repentance as ongoing and outward as well as inward:

1. Our Lord and Master Jesus Christ, in saying “Repent ye, etc.,” meant that whole life of the faithful to be an act of repentance.
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3. Yet he does not mean interior repentance only; nay, interior repentance is void if it does not externally produce different kinds of mortifications of the flesh. (quoted in John MacArthur’s The Gospel According to Jesus, p.257)

John Wesley characterized repentance as something marking the beginning of the Christian life and part of our ongoing growth in Christ: “..there is a repentance and a faith, which are, more especially, necessary at the beginning: a repentance, which is a conviction of our utter sinfulness, and guiltiness, and helplessness; and which precedes our receiving that kingdom of God, which, our Lord observes, is "within us;" and a faith, whereby we receive that kingdom, even "righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.”
…there is also a repentance and a faith (taking the words in another sense, a sense not quite the same, nor yet entirely different) which are requisite after we have "believed the gospel;" yea, and in every subsequent stage of our Christian course, or we cannot "run the race which is set before us." And this repentance and faith are full as necessary, in order to our continuance and growth in grace, as the former faith and repentance were, in order to our entering into the kingdom of God. ("The Repentance of Believers": http://gbgm-umc.org/UMhistory/Wesley/sermons/serm-014.stm)

The Bible teaches assurance of salvation, and it also teaches that we can not be reconciled to God through good works. We shouldn’t look to ourselves for assurance of faith but to Christ. Yet at the same time, Scripture also teaches that those who life a life characterized by habitual, unrepentant sin will not “inherit the kingdom of God.” (I Corinthians 6:10)
And those who live a life characterized by “lawlessness” will not inherit the kingdom of God either:
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

Commenting on these verses in Matthew, Pastor John MacArthur write in his book The Gospel According to Jesus:

'Our Lord was not speaking about an isolated group of fringe followers. There will be “many” on that day who will stand before him, stunned to learn they are not included in the kingdom. I fear that multitudes who now fill church pews in the mainstream of the evangelical movement will be among those turned away because they did not do the will of the Father.' (pp.28-29)

Any theology which limits repentance to simply a change from unbelief to belief potentially opens the door to someone professing faith in Christ but yet living a life of unrepentant sin or lawlessness in good conscience. Be wary of this type of teaching. It is not Biblical.

God Bless
 
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That is great HereIStand. I would love to be saved, so can you tell me what sins I need to repent of, and which ones I can still commit without being lost? Because this is something that has always confussed me. Since I believe God said all sin is the same in is eyes. Unless you believe you can no longer sin, which God says is foolishness.
 
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I never said you would live in sin. I said repentance from sin is the work of the Holy Spirit, not you. When you believe in Christ, you will be giving the spirit of God. Don't you know why you get the Holy Spirit of God. He is there to help clean up your mess, but no matter how dirty your room is when you die doesn't get you into heaven. Like I said, please show me which sins I am aloud to commit. That's all I want to know. If you know which ones I can and can't do, then you must share this information with me, so I can be saved. That is your duty as a christian!
 
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Jesus Christ is 100% man and He's 100% God. He is our Kinsman-Redeemer (Read Ruth).He is our Kinsman, in that, He is man.He is our Redeemer, in that He lived a sinless life, and died for our sins. How did He manage to live a sin-less life? He's 100% God......................................................................................................................dennis777
 
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Oblio said:
Well, your fundamental principle is a non sequitar
I've heard you come up with some doosies for statements.. but this one has gotta be one of your best thus far..My fundamental principle..? Sin coming into the world through Adam is my fundamental principle..? I'd laugh, although I'm sure you're not joking.. Perhaps you should read Romans 5:12 through to the end of the chapter.. or will that too be non sequitar for you Orthodox folks.. then perhaps go back and read Romans 3 again.. It's the simple truth.. those that believe that they're good, simply do not believe the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ.. for there are none righteous, no not one.. there are none good.. but One.. and that is GOD..
 
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The problem is that defining repentance narrowly as turning from unbelief to belief; you potentially exclude repentance defined more broadly as: “I never said you would live in sin. I said repentance from sin is the work of the Holy Spirit, not you. When you believe in Christ, you will be giving the spirit of God. Don't you know why you get the Holy Spirit of God. He is there to help clean up your mess, but no matter how dirty your room is when you die doesn't get you into heaven.” If you defined repentance already in this way, I apologize. I was posting in reaction to your initial post, which seemed to limit repentance to turning from unbelief to belief.

Also you’ve added: “Like I said, please show me which sins I am aloud to commit. That's all I want to know. If you know which ones I can and can't do, then you must share this information with me, so I can be saved. That is your duty as a christian!”

Certainly God can forgive anyone coming to Christ for salvation. And He can forgive any sin.

And I’m not arguing for sinless perfection for Christians. Scripture teaches that “there is no one who does not sin.” (I Kings 8:46) Also, our repentance is never complete. It is ongoing, or as Paul pointed out, “I die daily.” (I Corinthians 15:30)

Further, while it’s true that we are all sinners and have the sin nature equally, not all individual acts of sin are equal. For example, Thomas Aquinas points out that Christ identified Judas as being guilty of a “greater sin” than Pilate. (John 19:11) Not all individual acts of sin carried the same penalty under Old Testament Law. Some sins have a greater adverse impact on us and on society than others.

A good bench mark to follow on an individual level (to paraphrase the words of Lutheran Theologian John Theodore Mueller) is that a Christian should never give up the struggle against sin and allow sin to reign victorious in his life. This is line with Romans 6:13-15:

13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
 
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ETide said:
So we have Oblio's answer... And.. you're quoting scripture which speaks to God's creatures before they fell into deception (the woman) and disobedience (the man).. as if nothing changed after that.. ? ? ? It's a fundamental gospel principle that sin entered the world through Adam.. not through God's creation.. Would you like another chance.. Is there anything good in you Oblio.. ?
There was a certain man in the land of Ausis, whose name [was] Job; and than man was true, blameless, righteous, [and] godly, abstaining from everything evil. (LXX Job 1:1)
 
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BigChrisfilm said:
"If a person were saved by good works, then he would have to repent of bad works, or of not doing good works, in order to be saved. If a person were saved by quitting his sinning, then he would have to repent of his sinning in order to be saved. A person is saved by believing, so he repents of his unbelief or turns from his unbelief in order to be saved." - Dr. Jack Hyles
RepentanceMetanoia (Gk): literally a "change of mind". The word is used 22 times in the New Testament for a conversion of one's entire life to the Lord. Based on similar OT concepts, it involves a twofold movement of the heart: one who repents turns away from sin (1 Kings 8:35; Ezek 18:30) and toward God (Hos 6:1; Sir 17:25, 26; Heb 6:1). This entails genuine contrition for past failings and a firm resolve to avoid them in the future, and it may be accompanied by bodily disciplines like fasting (Dan 9:3-5; Joel 2:12; 2 Cor 7:10). Because repentance is a gradual process of transformation, God is patient with sinners struggling to make amends and redirect their lives toward holiness (Wis 12:10; Rom 2:4; 2 Pet 3:9). Repentance is inspired by the eternal life offered in Christ (Mk 1:15; Acts 2:38), and its genuineness becomes evident when lives are changed in accord with the gospel (Mt 3:8; Acts 26:20; Gal 5:22-24).--------------------------------------I tell you, there is more joy in heavenover one sinner who changes his heart and life,than over ninety-nine good peoplewho don't need to change. LUKE 15:7--------------------------------------------If we confess our sins... The biggest word in Scriptures just might be that two letter one, IF. For confessing sins - admitting failure - is exactly what prisoners of pride refuse to do. -------------------------------------------------------When you get to the point of sorrow for your sins, when you admit that you have no other option, then cast all your cares on him for he is waiting.
 
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icxn said:
There was a certain man in the land of Ausis, whose name [was] Job; and than man was true, blameless, righteous, [and] godly, abstaining from everything evil. (LXX Job 1:1)

This can be said for a person in Christ as well.. although does it mean that they're righteous in and of themselves..?

How can the scriptures speak of Job being righteous and blameless and yet say that there are none righteous..?

Perhaps you'll answer the question which Lionroar and Oblio will not answer..

Is there anything GOOD in YOU..?
 
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