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>>>>Do not think that because I'm ending it that you have blown holes in scripture. I will discuss the issue with you no more.
Sorry sir,
Quaffer<<<<
Dear friend,
I hope you come back and read these posts one more time, because I want to tell you how much your messages bless me personally, am I am sure help others also. I am writing this this because I do not know how to get to you via email. But please please return and continue to defend the Word, the Gospel, and the Faith!
I agree that it is difficult to read the false accusations made against those of us who believe the word; and even made against God Himself. It is very painful to see people make lite of the suffering of the Lord when He loved us so much so as to take our sins and our sicknesses. In my mind, it is as if they are standing there and watching Jesus receive those stripes and telling him "oh Jesus, that beating you are taking does not mean anything to me.. it is more important to me that I glory in my flesh... God is going to teach me with my own sufferings and use my sicknesses , I do not need or want your sufferings, I want to do it myself !". That may not go down well for some, but that is what it seems like.
Sometimes it is as if they worship a different child-abusing monster God who is so weak and so powerless that can only achieve His purposes by killing babies and putting people in wheelchairs. That is not the glorious loving Father I see in the scriptures and have walked with for many years. I cannot imagine what unbelievers think when they read that the Christian God kills, steals, and destroys His own children! It is just beyond belief!
In one way I can understand why people insist on believing this way. People want to feel that God is in their lives and that they are being used in some way by Him. Because they are ignorant of the scriptures and the plan God has to be in their lives, they make up these stories in their own mind to put Him there. Instead of doing it the way God intends(that is by believing His word and walking in the light of it), they imagine that He is using and even causing their problems! A person does not have to believe anything to do that... they only have to sit there, suffer, and assume themselves faithful in the doing. Of course that is ignorance gone to seed, designed to cater to ones own flesh, feelings, and self image... and is in total contradiction to the gospel. After all, "feelings " are more important in this culture(world) than anything are they not? Feelings are so important to this world, that these people are willing to slander God, remain sick, slander and lie about the messengers(like you dear friend!) who bear the good news of the gospel of the Kingdom(which includes healing), and even talk sick people out of the blessings of healing and health(I have seen them do it!!). All so they can stand up and say "Look at me , see how faithful I am. I am sick and love God anyway..." They are getting the glory instead of God. Which we know is the whole point is is not? Those all important "feelings". Amazing!
But I would even BEG you to return. Don't let the lies they spread about God deter you from telling the truth that He is Love! Not crazy, fanatical, "terrorist" love that would kill people, make people sick, send planes into buildings ... etc all for some unknown "higher purpose". But real love that we understand, can relate to, and can share (not only with each other), but love that tells us we can receive from God and know that we will always receive the expected "love" things and blessings. It is no wonder that some of these people are so cruel and mean spirited. That is the way they see their Father... and after all, "like father like son". They see their "perfect father" killing, stealing, destroying, telling lies, etc, and they want to be perfect just like him!!! In a way, they do have the same terrorist mentality of those who strap bombs onto themselves and fly planes into buildings. Like the fanatical terrorist, they imagine there is some sort of "higher purpose" in these evil evil things. They would even tell you that God is behind these things and I have even heard some say that God directly causes them! Beyond belief! And it is all designed to protect their precious-precious feelings and to not damage their all so important sense of being "faithful".
You have faithfully shown forth the light of a loving caring Father that draws people to God the way "good news" is supposed to. You have intelligently and eloquently put forth sound and logical arguments. You have not returned their railing with railing, lies for lies, insults with insults... rathering to depart instead. I one more time plead for you to return. You are a blessing to me! I am new to the forums, and do not have any blessings yet(they only bless the ones that they agree with... people like us never receive their blessings). If I had some I would give them all to you.
Please come back!
Sorry sir,
Quaffer<<<<
Dear friend,
I hope you come back and read these posts one more time, because I want to tell you how much your messages bless me personally, am I am sure help others also. I am writing this this because I do not know how to get to you via email. But please please return and continue to defend the Word, the Gospel, and the Faith!
I agree that it is difficult to read the false accusations made against those of us who believe the word; and even made against God Himself. It is very painful to see people make lite of the suffering of the Lord when He loved us so much so as to take our sins and our sicknesses. In my mind, it is as if they are standing there and watching Jesus receive those stripes and telling him "oh Jesus, that beating you are taking does not mean anything to me.. it is more important to me that I glory in my flesh... God is going to teach me with my own sufferings and use my sicknesses , I do not need or want your sufferings, I want to do it myself !". That may not go down well for some, but that is what it seems like.
Sometimes it is as if they worship a different child-abusing monster God who is so weak and so powerless that can only achieve His purposes by killing babies and putting people in wheelchairs. That is not the glorious loving Father I see in the scriptures and have walked with for many years. I cannot imagine what unbelievers think when they read that the Christian God kills, steals, and destroys His own children! It is just beyond belief!
In one way I can understand why people insist on believing this way. People want to feel that God is in their lives and that they are being used in some way by Him. Because they are ignorant of the scriptures and the plan God has to be in their lives, they make up these stories in their own mind to put Him there. Instead of doing it the way God intends(that is by believing His word and walking in the light of it), they imagine that He is using and even causing their problems! A person does not have to believe anything to do that... they only have to sit there, suffer, and assume themselves faithful in the doing. Of course that is ignorance gone to seed, designed to cater to ones own flesh, feelings, and self image... and is in total contradiction to the gospel. After all, "feelings " are more important in this culture(world) than anything are they not? Feelings are so important to this world, that these people are willing to slander God, remain sick, slander and lie about the messengers(like you dear friend!) who bear the good news of the gospel of the Kingdom(which includes healing), and even talk sick people out of the blessings of healing and health(I have seen them do it!!). All so they can stand up and say "Look at me , see how faithful I am. I am sick and love God anyway..." They are getting the glory instead of God. Which we know is the whole point is is not? Those all important "feelings". Amazing!
But I would even BEG you to return. Don't let the lies they spread about God deter you from telling the truth that He is Love! Not crazy, fanatical, "terrorist" love that would kill people, make people sick, send planes into buildings ... etc all for some unknown "higher purpose". But real love that we understand, can relate to, and can share (not only with each other), but love that tells us we can receive from God and know that we will always receive the expected "love" things and blessings. It is no wonder that some of these people are so cruel and mean spirited. That is the way they see their Father... and after all, "like father like son". They see their "perfect father" killing, stealing, destroying, telling lies, etc, and they want to be perfect just like him!!! In a way, they do have the same terrorist mentality of those who strap bombs onto themselves and fly planes into buildings. Like the fanatical terrorist, they imagine there is some sort of "higher purpose" in these evil evil things. They would even tell you that God is behind these things and I have even heard some say that God directly causes them! Beyond belief! And it is all designed to protect their precious-precious feelings and to not damage their all so important sense of being "faithful".
You have faithfully shown forth the light of a loving caring Father that draws people to God the way "good news" is supposed to. You have intelligently and eloquently put forth sound and logical arguments. You have not returned their railing with railing, lies for lies, insults with insults... rathering to depart instead. I one more time plead for you to return. You are a blessing to me! I am new to the forums, and do not have any blessings yet(they only bless the ones that they agree with... people like us never receive their blessings). If I had some I would give them all to you.
Please come back!
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