LouisBooth
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"I agree that God and God alone has the capacity to save - but it is man who has the choice. "
Hmm..sorry, can't have it both ways, either God exlusivly saves or he doesn't.
"How powerful that is! If we choose to "lay aside out old self" "
Its made very clear by Paul it is God that makes the NEW CREATION, not us.
Those verses are in reference to SANCTIFICATION.
"However, you still have never shown that we do not have a choice, and the Holy Spirit is somehow forced on us. "
Umm..okay, if God alone saves us fully, then we have no part in it..its FULLY him. That's the point of my statements.
"Again, I'd love to see the Scripture that says man can't CHOOSE the free gift, since it's so "clearly" stated. "
Who choooses who? Does God choose man or man choose God?
"where all means only the audience to which Paul writes"
*chuckles* I made it quite clear that the "all" Paul made reference too needs audience context as well as passage context to understand..or are you throwing those out too? I also gave you a real life example where all doesn't mean everyone in exsistance, just like Paul's "all" doesn't either according to the context.
Hmm..sorry, can't have it both ways, either God exlusivly saves or he doesn't.
"How powerful that is! If we choose to "lay aside out old self" "
Its made very clear by Paul it is God that makes the NEW CREATION, not us.
Those verses are in reference to SANCTIFICATION.
"However, you still have never shown that we do not have a choice, and the Holy Spirit is somehow forced on us. "
Umm..okay, if God alone saves us fully, then we have no part in it..its FULLY him. That's the point of my statements.
"Again, I'd love to see the Scripture that says man can't CHOOSE the free gift, since it's so "clearly" stated. "
Who choooses who? Does God choose man or man choose God?
"where all means only the audience to which Paul writes"
*chuckles* I made it quite clear that the "all" Paul made reference too needs audience context as well as passage context to understand..or are you throwing those out too? I also gave you a real life example where all doesn't mean everyone in exsistance, just like Paul's "all" doesn't either according to the context.
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