Anointing within - How does it work for you?

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Andrew

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1Jo 2:27 -- But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Everybody seems to think they're right or that the other person is wrong. Everybody is able to quote scriptures left right centre and give convincing eloquent answers. Yet, everybody (well most) disagrees.

Question: How then does the above verse work for the believer/you, in being led to the truth of the matter/topic? Are we relying too much on head/reasoning (albeit with scriptures) and not on the anointing within us? If so, how do we tap on the anointing to arrive at the truth. :scratch:

Your thots pls. :pray:

ps: I wld like feedback from protestants pls, as i do not want to go into the area of papal infallibility and the like. thanks
 
Personaly, I've noticed that the annointing in me uses the scriptures in a life application way. It seems that doctrine is second and not first in this type of application of scripture. If the annointing (holy spirit) wants to convey a thought to me, then sometimes it will use scripture, even though it would make the scripture un-doctrinal, but the idea is conveyed.

Sometimes it even seems that the annointing teaches us on a personal basis, also. For example, for some, the holy spirit will impress apon the heart to abstain from certain things because it poses a threat to their soul. Another example, for some people a legalistic walk in christ is necesary. Thus the holy spirit will impress this upon thier hearts and when they read and study the word then legalism will be a foremost idea. This would cause the forming of a legalistic type doctrine. Yet, other may do ok walking in christ with freedom to have a beer every once in a while; or even watch TV.

To be honest, I'm not quite sure, these are just some ideas.
 
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then sometimes it will use scripture, even though it would make the scripture un-doctrinal, but the idea is conveyed.
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I think i understnd what u are saying here. eg someone seeking God if its alright to by a bigger new car to take his family around may read the part where Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, and have a revelation that it's ok -- a donkey being a main mode of transportation in those days. ie nothing doctrinal there but the messg is conveyed. is that what you are saying?

Another example, for some people a legalistic walk in christ is necesary.
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I'm not so sure abt the HS wanting anyone to be legalistic but I get what you are saying and believe that the HS is not dogmatic -- ie he works uniquely for each unique individual.

But what i really want to ask is this: When you here something being preached or taught, how does the annointing within us indicate/'tell us' that what we are hearing is truth, error or half-truth? How does he do that? I believe a clue lies in this verse:

Jas 3:17 -- But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
 
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Good point and well said Andrew. It is definitely true that The Holy Spirit is an individual guide and we are all different people. He is to be our guide and He may lead us in a different direction. Good example is an innocent glass of wine. It may be fine for ne to partake, but if you, on the other hand, have an alcoholic bent, and the glass of wine would lead you down the road to drunkeness it would be clearly sin. Therefore the Holy Spirit would lead you in a different direction.

The scripture you have quoted is indeed awesome and should be studied and understood by all Christians. I think there is also another one we should understand and apply in order to be better equipped to follow the anointing. It is II Timothy 2:15: "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

We need to study God's Written Word, and then we need to do more. We need to follow the example of Jesus and memorize it. Psalm 119:11: "Thy Word have I hid in my heart, that I might not sin against Thee." This is what Jesus did and the Holy Spirit led Him in this manner. When tempted of the devil, Jesus continually answered, "It is written..." The anointing within led Him to memorize the Scripture and then led Him in using it in an effective and powerful way.
 
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Andrew,
Yes, That is what I am saying in both examples.

"When you here something being preached or taught, how does the annointing within us indicate/'tell us' that what we are hearing is truth, error or half-truth?"
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Usually truth will build people up in christ. It is edifying. I know what you're talking about, when I hear truth I just know it is. I also know what is half and none. I've learned one thing though, The truth is eternal. If I you hear truth, then it will come back to you again. The second time will build on the first time hearing it, and the third time will build even more. If it is not truth then it will not build. It's hard to explain, and I'm tired.
 
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Thanks for all the feedback. Now I'm gonna share what my Pastor teaches, and I wonder if you guys have the same experience.

When we hear a teaching that is false or not altogether there, there's a 'knot' in our spirit man. a 'knowing' that something is not quite right, although you cant explain it in words. this 'knowing' is not your emotions, bias or head intellect, but some sort of a 'gut feel' that something isnt quite right, a 'no-no'.

Other 'indications' are that the teaching brings fear and a loss of peace. after the message, u walk out feeling heavy or burden, discouraged, sad.

That's why I quoted that verse:
Jas 3:17 -- But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

ie if the message is from or inspired by the Holy Spirit, it never brings fear, discouragement, loss of peace. it will encourage, exhort. I believe God is in the 'lifting up' business.

On the otherhand, if what you are hearing is truth, a 'buzzer' sort of goes off on the inside of you, in your spirit. Usually, its something that you already 'know' for some time, but its just that you werent really sure or cant put words to it, but when the preacher explains/teaches it becomes so clear and you go "that's it!" and it 'confirms' what you already know in your spirit.

that's what the verse means -- that you have the annointing within and need not anyone teach you. in a sense, you already know, but the pastor/teacher simply confirms it for you or put the words to it.

I'm not saying that we shld not rely heavily on the Word and study it. my point is that everybody claims to have studied it already, and have the right interpretation. so perhaps its a problem or too much Word no Spirit. Or as someone has said, 'over Worded, under Spirited'.

The opposite is just as bad, "over Spirited and under-Worded" -- that's when you get flaky superspiritual Christians.

I'm also not saying that this is easy to do. Often times, our theological bias, emotions, pride get in the way, and we judge a message based on those things, not on the unction within.

does tht make sense??
 
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Yes, I agree with you Andrew.....the witness of the Spirit is important.

I'm not saying that we shld not rely heavily on the Word and study it. my point is that everybody claims to have studied it already, and have the right interpretation. so perhaps its a problem or too much Word no Spirit. Or as someone has said, 'over Worded, under Spirited'.

The opposite is just as bad, "over Spirited and under-Worded" -- that's when you get flaky superspiritual Christians.

Some Christians will emphasise the importance of the Word (evangelical stance) others will emphasise the importance of the Holy Spirit (charismatic stance) - both have dangers. That's why I believe that God wants us to be Charismatic-Evangelicals or Evangelical-Charismatics. The point being that both the Word and the Spirit are important and an emphasis of one over the other is likely to lead to error at some time or other....
 
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Andrew,
You've explained what I beleive. Here's 2 verses on it. There are also a few in the book of Acts.

Romans 8:16. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Romans 9:1. I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
 
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theres been alot of info posted, but heres what i think.
if anyone cares to hear me.

the holyspirit does lead to truth, and the annointing does this.
but one thing that i beleive keeps people from working this in their life is that lots of churches dont even beleive in the baptism or filling of the holyspirit anymore.
they think they receive all of him when saved, and this is not true. so they think they are annointed when they are not, they think the have plenty of the holyspirit when they do not. we are saved at the point of belief and confession, yet paul asked the question HAVE YOU BEEN FILLED SINCE YOU FIRST BELEIVED.
he knew that we do not receive the baptism in the holyspirit, or all of the holyspirit when we are only saved. and many do not believe in getting more of the holyspirit, or being baptised in him after salvation. they beleive that that was only for the early church.
and that we are not supposed to have this.

i wont debate why i beleive we need to still be baptised in the holyghost AFTER salvation (and it is not baptism in water as some beleive).

but since i beleive that,
i beleive the church of christ today as a whole is in a lame uneffective, unproductive state.
becuase many are not experiencing the depth in the holyspirit that we need to, for the holyspirit to teach us.
i mean,
DO WE SEE THE GIFTS OF THE HOLYSPIRIT as paul said were the foundations and building blocks of the body of christ?
no, we dont, not like we should.

if someone even mentions hearing gods voice, or really knowing god and doing the works of god, people either esteem him very great, or very foolish. when this should be everyday life for every christian. it should be the norm. but it is not. we as a church body as a whole do not know the lord as we should, thus we do not have the revelation from the holyspirit as we should.

there is a statistic that says 98% of pastors in america claim to spend less than 5 min in prayer a day.

compare this to man we say we follow jesus.
a man who frequently prayed all night long.
if our lives do not look like his, then why do we ever expect to do what he did? or to know what he knew?

look at the lives of the men who teach us these scriptures that we study.
when ever we dont see these scriptures in effect or making sense, look at your life, and see if it is congruant to the lives of those men.

as john spoke about the annointing teaching us.
we must look at our lives and see, do we have the kind of relationship with god that john had? if not, we may never experience the thing john wrote about.
does that make sense?

one reason people dont know the truth by the holyspirit, is that most christians simply dont know the holyspirit.
oh he dwells within, he saves them.
but that is very diffrent than having him walk and talk with you, and you being one with him.

the word of god is self explanitory, it all fits together like a puzzle. if the word is not clear on a subject, then no doctrine should ever be made on it. when paul didnt have the word of god backing him up, he made it clear that he was only speculating, and told us to judge for ourselves.
the holyspirit leads us in putting the puzzle of the bible together.

the word of god does connect with our spirits, it fits perfectly as if we always knew it. or that we should have always known it.

but i know from experience, that the word is not always nice, and sometimes it is does hurt if you find something youve always beleived to be true wrong.
but the holyspirit does have a way of comforting you,AFTER YOU ACCEPT IT.
 
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That's why I believe that God wants us to be Charismatic-Evangelicals or Evangelical-Charismatics.
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Agreed Martin! Both must be present. A balance. Actually, when we read Acts, we have the Gospel proclaimed and Spirit power manifested. ie the Word and the Spirit go-hand-in-hand.

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Romans 8:16. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
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that's right. My Pastor also taught that before we can really get the witness of the Spirit/His leading correctly, there are 2 foundational witnesses mentioned in the Bible that we must be able to 'get' in the first place. The first is from the verse u quoted. that we are his children. if we can understnd this, then perhaps we wont have questions like "Am I really saved?" "Am I really a Christian yet?" Besides faith, there shld be a 'knowing', a witness frm the HS within.

the second foundational witness of the HS is that our sins and lawless deeds are remembered no more (ie God is not keeping an account and ticking off everytime we fail. I think that's from Hebrews. anyway Pastor's pt was that unless you know this, you'll never feel 'good enough' to fellowship with God, and thus sense his leading, cos half the time you'd be feeling condemed.

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but one thing that i beleive keeps people from working this in their life is that lots of churches dont even beleive in the baptism or filling of the holyspirit anymore.
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I believe in the Bap of the HS and so does my church. But I'm not going to go into that 'controversial' area cos u know what will happen! and yes, I thank God the gifts are manifested in my church.
 
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