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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

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I didn’t say daily. I said weekly. And that is what He said.
Agreed on the Sabbath, from one Sabbath to another. I typically go to church from one Sabbath to another, I do not go to church daily. The Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev23:3 like we see with Jesus and the apostles Luke4:16 Acts13:44 Acts18:4 , what continues on in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa66:23 but instead of through spirit, His saints will gather before Him. Amen!
 
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Agreed on the Sabbath, from one Sabbath to another. I typically go to church from one Sabbath to another, I do not go to church daily.
I go to church on Sundays, on the Lord’s day. But I worship God everyday.
 
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I go to church on Sundays, on the Lord’s day. But I worship God everyday.
That’s a choice, but the Lords Day according to God’s own words is the Sabbath. Isa58:13, what Jesus is Lord of Mat2:28 (not the first day). God never once said any other day was His holy day except for the Sabbath, He called it the holy day, meaning there is only one, why the Sabbath continues forever Isa66:23, not the day man assigned to God, He said was for work and labors Exo20:9

I agree we should worship God everyday 365/24/7 according to Jesus that means keeping the commandments of God, not commandments of man. Mar 7:7-13 Mat15:3-14
 
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Not according to Jesus. I rest in Him.
Those who rest in Him, also cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11, why God spoke of the seventh day in this way Exo20:1 Exo20:8-11 becuase God’s people keep God’s commandments, His version, not mans.

In God’s rest there is no disobedience to any of His commandments Isa48:18

We are getting into things we have already previously discussed. I am going to leave it as agree to disagree and it will get sorted out in God’s time.
 
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Scripture speaks for itself and interprets itself.
Not really. People read and interpret with the idea of defending their pet doctrines. Most have no clue how to eisegete a verse.
Nowhere in scripture does it say that Sunday is the Lord's day.
Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath. The early church knew that it was to celebrate the resurrection day not the day that Jesus was still dead.
 
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We are getting into things we have already previously discussed. I am going to leave it as agree to disagree and it will get sorted out in God’s time.
And you are still to post a post resurrection verse that requires the Christian to keep the sabbath or a verse that teaches that the law was given to the gentiles. Until then your argument dies on its lack of evidence.
 
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And you are still to post a post resurrection verse that requires the Christian to keep the sabbath or a verse that teaches that the law was given to the gentiles. Until then your argument dies on its lack of evidence.
Personally I would be more concerned where is the verse that the God of the Universe told us we don’t have to keep the Sabbath commandment. What God blessed, man can’t reverse. Num 23:20 because man is not God Jesus never once said He changed the Sabbath before or after the Cross, He said not a jot or tittle shall pass from His law Mat5:18-19 yet alone an entire commandment. Jesus was on earth 40 days before ascending back to heaven, never once did He say He changed the Sabbath. We were warned this change would come but not from God Dan7:25

I will stick with what comes with the power of God’s blessing and sanctification. Only God has the power to bless a day Exo20:11 and bless man Isa56:2 only God has the power to sanctify a day Gen2:3 Exo20:11 and to sanctify us Eze20:12 both connected to the holy day of the Lord, the Sabbath Isa 58:13 Exo20:11, if one wishes to do something different life is about choices. We just will need to understand our decisions matter Rev22:11
 
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Amen.

In fact He tells Cain in Gen 4 "sin is at your door , you must master it" before Cain kills Able and before we find the scripture saying "you shall not murder'"

It is an interesting study for sure.

The Jesus "of the Bible" teaches His People to "Seek First" the Kingdom of God and "HIS Righteousness". And that a blessing comes to those who "Hunger and Thirst after God's Righteousness".

But For me, when I yielded myself to seek God's righteousness, I was broken. I found I was dead in trespasses and sins. My beliefs as to what was righteous and holy, shattered. My religious beliefs and traditions exposed as wrought in man and not God. At first the urge to defend myself was strong, I was offended by what Jesus was teaching me. My flesh pushed hard to "Hide from much of the Word of God", for the purpose of preserving "my" religious traditions, "my" pride, "my" fleshy desires. And there were lots of religions in the world God placed me in that told me, "Come as you are", and "they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you".

But the story about Cain really helped me to understand the internal battle I was loosing. Why my flesh was working so hard to silence the Word of God in me? Why Cain hated Abel so much?

It is my understanding that every man ever born is confronted by their human flesh, no different than Cain and Abel. And we are to "rule over it" as you so correctly point out, and as Paul also teaches.

Rom. 6: 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

How can this even be possible unless we "seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness", and (Then) all these things shall be added unto you.

So I was broken, but only the carnal part of me, for my preservation. As Jesus said:

Matt. 10: 38 And he that taketh not his cross, (Flesh, in my view) and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

I still carry it, as God designed, but it doesn't rule over me, at least as long as I keep on the Armor of God. I am overcome by it for time to time, to my shame. But still, I don't look back, but press for the mark of the Prize of the high calling of God, the perfection that is in Christ Jesus.

This is not even possible without the Sabbath Fast commanded by God. To dedicate the 7th day of the week, a fast from the world. As we are, like Lot, "dwelling among children of disobedience, in seeing and hearing, vexing the righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds) ".

What I saw as a "Cost" in the beginning, loosing 52 pay days a year, missing opening day of trout season, I now consider as dung compared to the blessing and understanding we have received.

Striving to put on the New Man, "which after God (Not my Flesh) is created in righteousness and true holiness".

Like Abel.

Sorry so long winded, it's been a hard week, and I am so grateful for the God Provided Break. I loved your reference to Cain and Able, as it pertained to the Righteousness of God that existed in the very beginning.

Hope you Sabbath is refreshing.
 
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Not really. People read and interpret with the idea of defending their pet doctrines. Most have no clue how to eisegete a verse.

Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath. The early church knew that it was to celebrate the resurrection day not the day that Jesus was still dead.

In context:

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
The very reason Jesus calls Himself Lord of the Sabbath is because the Sabbath was made for man (therefore). Pointing directly to creation and the Sabbath sanctified. Sunday resurrection taking the place of the Sabbath is nowhere to be found anywhere in scripture.

"The early church knew," and took it upon itself to change the law of God (prophesied by Daniel 7:25) and make it of none effect (Matthew 15:1-9).

Jesus settles the issue concerning Sunday, which is a commandment of man not a commandment of God.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
 
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Actually God did, as it has been shown to "Every Creature under heaven", (According to Paul) and it is written down as God Himself inspired, in the Oracles of God that HE has provided for you, in His Mercy and Loving kindness, directly into your own home even now. And Paul said there is no excuse for you or me or Cain or Sodom, " Because that "which may be known of God" is manifest in us; for God hath shewed it unto us." Just as HE showed it to them.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their "unlawful" deeds;)

The deceiver would have us believe in the ridiculous and foolish philosophy that "Godliness" in Noah's Time was different than "Godliness" in Moses time. That "Unlawful deeds" in Abraham's Time was different than "Unlawful Deeds" in Moses time.

That somehow Noah was a preacher of Righteousness that didn't include God's Righteousness that the Pharisees refused to submit to..

This is a popular religious philosophy promoted by "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord. And you can also find this teaching on the internet which some believe is inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. I personally don't believe the Spirit of God dwells in man made machines, but you are free to believe so if you wish, we all have the free will to choose who to believe.

But even a child can see that Abraham was given God's commandments, Statutes, Judgments and Laws, according to what is written. So these can not have been added 430 years after Abraham. But a Priesthood Covenant with Levi, to provide for forgiveness of transgressions "of God's Laws, statute and Judgments", Till the High Priest of God "To whom the promise was made" should come, was most certainly "ADDED" after Abraham given Levi wasn't even born in Abraham's time.

Why did you completely ignore or refuse to even acknowledge this Added "LAW"? Is it because your computer doesn't teach you to live by Every word of God??




First, can you show me a Commandment of God given to Noah before the Ark, that took 120 years to build, was being loaded? You said there were "Noahic Laws" that were later codified by God through Moses. What are the "Laws of Noah" you claim God commanded, and when does God give Noah these Commandments?



There was no commandment enumerated that said "The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness."

And yet it is written;

Gen. 9: 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. 23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

So where is this "LAW of Noah", Commanded by God and later codified by God through Moses?




Can you show me where God enumerated these Laws to Noah? Or rather, can your computer post where these "7 Commandments" of the "Laws of Noah" were codified into Law during Noah's Time?

It's interesting how Abraham, Moses, the Prophets, Jesus, nor any of the Apostles of Christ made even ONE Mention, anywhere in the entire Bible, about the "Laws of Noah".

Yet you claim your computer does.

What if Paul is actually speaking the truth about God's Laws, being blessed with the Spirit of God, and it's your computer that is leading you astray?

Certainly something to consider.
Abraham was marred to his half sister. Genesis 12:5 According to the law Deuteronomy 27:5 & 22 Leviticus 18:9 Leviticus 20:17 Ezekiel 22:11 Abraham also committed adultery with Sarahs handmade to give birth to Ishmael. There were no law of Noah, it’s not in the scriptures. This fellow who says there is has dreamt them up in his own carnal mind. The Ten Commandments and law of Moses were completely unknown to everyone before Moses just as Moses said, but this fellow has like the vast majority does, make things up the defy scripture.
 
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In context:

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
The very reason Jesus calls Himself Lord of the Sabbath is because the Sabbath was made for man (therefore). Pointing directly to creation and the Sabbath sanctified. Sunday resurrection taking the place of the Sabbath is nowhere to be found anywhere in scripture.

"The early church knew," and took it upon itself to change the law of God (prophesied by Daniel 7:25) and make it of none effect (Matthew 15:1-9).

Jesus settles the issue concerning Sunday, which is a commandment of man not a commandment of God.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
GALATIANS 3:16-18 THIS SCRIPTURE SAYS PLAINLY THAT THE LAW WAS GIVEN 430 YEAR AFTER ABRAHAM AND THE LAW LAW HAD NO EFFECT ON THE COVENANT GOD GAVE TO ABRAHAM. This fellow who says differently is apparently unable to see this. Let him alone, he is not worth the bother.
 
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Abraham was marred to his half sister. Genesis 12:5 According to the law Deuteronomy 27:5 & 22 Leviticus 18:9 Leviticus 20:17 Ezekiel 22:11

Abraham was married long before he was called by God to leave the religions of his father. This is no proof that God's Law didn't exist. Hopefully God doesn't hold the sins of Abraham against him, before God showed him "the way of the Lord". Otherwise we are all doomed.

Abraham also committed adultery with Sarahs handmade to give birth to Ishmael.

Sarah gave her handmade to be Abram's wife. How is Abram guilty of transgressing God's Laws, by marrying her?

Ex. 21: 10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

There were no law of Noah, it’s not in the scriptures. This fellow who says there is has dreamt them up in his own carnal mind.

This is true, in my understanding as well.


The Ten Commandments and law of Moses were completely unknown to everyone before Moses just as Moses said,

Moses never said any such thing. The Bible doesn't support the popular religious philosophy that the Laws, Judgments, Statutes and Commandments God gave Abraham to obey, are different than the Laws, Judgments, Statutes and Commandments God gave Abraham's Children to obey.

but this fellow has like the vast majority does, make things up the defy scripture.

This is true, in my view as well..
 
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In context:

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
The very reason Jesus calls Himself Lord of the Sabbath is because the Sabbath was made for man (therefore). Pointing directly to creation and the Sabbath sanctified. Sunday resurrection taking the place of the Sabbath is nowhere to be found anywhere in scripture.
No. The main reason why Jesus is Lord of the sabbath is because He is Lord if everything else. Notice the word “also” used in your translation. The Greek word Kai could be cumulative and translate as also or even. The context here begins in verse 23. Jesus was accused of picking heads of grain from the fields by the Pharisees. Jesus in turn tells the the story if David eating the consecrated bread reserved for the priests because he was hungry. Both Jesus and His disciples had the same practical need that David had, they were hungry. Doing good during the sabbath was good not bad as the Pharisees made it to be.

“And it happened that He was passing through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples began to make their way along while picking the heads of grain. The Pharisees were saying to Him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” And He *said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions became hungry; how he entered the house of God in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the consecrated bread, which is not lawful for anyone to eat except the priests, and he also gave it to those who were with him?” Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord, even of the Sabbath.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭2‬:‭23‬-‭28‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The same thing happened when Jesus healed the man with the withered hand during the sabbath (Mark 3:1-6). The sabbath was supposed to remove burden from the Israelites but instead became a burden because of their traditions. The Pharisees began to plot with the Herodians to get rid of Jesus after this.

So Jesus then took over the sabbath. Jesus us the alpha and the omega so Jesus started the sabbath and He took it back. The sabbath was made for man but man perverted the sabbath. Jesus is now Lord of the sabbath, along with everything else, because Jesus did all of the work necessary for our salvation.

Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets (Matt. 5:17) and the culmination of the law (Rom. 10:4). We rest, spiritually, in Him. He has secured our eternal blessing.
"The early church knew," and took it upon itself to change the law of God (prophesied by Daniel 7:25) and make it of none effect (Matthew 15:1-9).
Nope. The early church did not change the day, Jesus did. The early church knew that the law did not apply to the church and that Jesus was the sabbath rest.
Jesus settles the issue concerning Sunday, which is a commandment of man not a commandment of God.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Nothing here about the sabbath. Think about what follows the verses you posted. Those that preach the law are blind guides of blind people.

“But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. Leave them alone; they are blind guides of blind people. And if a person who is blind guides another who is blind, both will fall into a pit.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
 
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Premises:
1. The Sabbath was a part of the Mosaic Law and of the Mosaic Law only.
2. The Law was only for Jews, since Moses till Christ.
3. Even the book of Genesis was a theological part of the Mosaic Law and is not literal (namely in its creation account).

If these premises are all true, we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath.

If people are obeying Moses instead of Jesus, then Jesus is not Lord in their lives.
 
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Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
The context of what laws Christ is referring to is established in v17, saying "the law and the prophets," which is an all-inclusive term rather than one that isolates a subset. In this context (same verse), Christ says "I have not come to abolish them [the law and the prophets] but to fulfill them [the law and the prophets]" How we understand Christ having fulfilled a specific subset of laws, like circumcision or the sacrifice, should extend to the whole as is the context. This also applies to how we understand "whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments..." as it applies to the context of the law and the prophets, not a unique subset. So how we understand us not breaking circumcision or not breaking the sacrifice can be applied to the entire law rather than a segregated portion of it, which is never taught. By also using "the least" reference, Christ is also levelling our qualitative judgments of law and instead he says breaking any of them is the same as breaking all of them or a the same as breaking unique subset that we deem as better or arbitrarily call moral.

The commandments Jesus is referring to is directly from the Ten Commandments and quotes two as the whole law He is referring, as they always came in a unit of Ten according to God. Deut4:13 Exo34:28 breaking one we break them all even in the NC James2:10-11

Christ does quote from 10 but in a diminutive way, "You have heard that it was said to those of old" then goes on telling us a better way. So tell us an older way, then shows us a better way, that better way is uniquely from Christ saying "But I say..." this creates a contrast between the ways of the old (the law) with the ways of Christ, showing the Christ's way is better.

Christ also quotes outside the law with the "eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" and in like manner shows us a better way (again, diminutively referencing the law). So this does not agree with the logic that Christ is isolating and elevating the 10, but rather whatever he is referring to, it must also include the "eye for an eye" rule and he is also not elevating but demoting. What he shows is his way is better so it seems a moot point what he is trying to deemphasize. if you study the origins of these laws Christ is not referencing the 10 but instead the the covenant relationship established under Moses.

The 10 commandments were first given in Ex 20. this is before Moses climbed the mountain and before they were etched in stone (then the tablets were destroyed) and etched in stone again. Moses climbs the mountain in Ex 24 but starting at Ex 20 there are numerous laws delivered as a whole with the 10 not separate to them. The 10 kick it off in Ex 20 and immediately following in Ex 21 speaks of the "eye for the eye" rule (with specific examples of what to do when you take someone's eye or tooth). This is all in the same event; there is no break in the event and what this event describes is the covenant relationship established under Moses's leadership, often called the Mosaic covenant. "Mosaic" or "of Moses" is a theological term that does not mean Moses owns it or authored the laws; it a reference to time and place of when the covenant was formed. The covenant has multiple events where Israel affirms it and this is such an event, but these events are not there to segment the law, it is a constant reminder and a type of phased unpacking of the covenant relationship, but it is all the same covenant relationship. They are all from God, and all part of the same covenant. Ex 24 opens all the elders gathered, and Moses wrote all the words of the Lord (from Ex 20-23, including the 10 and the "eye for an eye" rule and many others) and a blood covenant was established. Then, Moses was invited up to the mountain where the tablets were given to him later on.

So what is Christ contrasting diminutively with his own words? He is contrasting the covenant established under Moses which includes the 10 but is not limited to the 10, and his reference is diminutive so his focus is not fixed on diminutive but rather the better way which is a direct contrast to this older system. This passage cannot be used to isolate and elevate the 10 in anyway, two things it definitely does establishes, as it pertains to the 10, is that the 10 is part of greater grouping of laws/commandments (not isolated) and is deemphasized (Christ shows us a better way). This is the exact opposite point you seem to be rying to make which questions your ability to understand the passage without this extreme bias since it is written so plaining in the text.
 
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