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Jesus did not do away with the law in Mat 5:17

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The law is not of faith

The law is against the very factual lawlessness in everyone.

And thank God He is against such things

We can be "for" and "in behalf" of the law, even when it's against us.

It's upheld precisely to be against us
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Jesus said:

John 14:15 “If you love Me, [d]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Neither Jesus or the Holy Spirit is against the law of God.
 
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And how does Jesus teach it?

Quite the opposite, it is the adversary who before mankind disobeyed God and just like in the Garden wants to teach man to do the same.

There is no where in the bible that teaches that Messiah redeems us from the Law of God/Jesus.



Those who do not want to follow God's Holy Commandments are anti-nomian.
The lawlessness in everyone is anti-nominian

Let's suppose the law is against the sins of the devils, who will never obey it or concede to it, that it is validly against THEM.

Now the law is our Ally, being against THEM, and is upheld for that reason

We don't uphold the law to prove we're legally obedient because that can't happen

The evil within no one is ever legally obedient
 
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Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Jesus said:

John 14:15 “If you love Me, [d]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Neither Jesus or the Holy Spirit is against the law of God.
We've already been through this drill many times

I uphold the law to be against the evil in my own heart, and am very glad it is so

You on the other hand deny you have any such things in you. Which doesn't cut it

Jesus was very clear that evil comes from within

Pharisees wrongly thought they were legally obedient too
 
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We've already been through this drill many times

I uphold the law to be against the evil in my own heart, and am very glad it is so

You on the other hand deny you have any such things in you. Which doesn't cut it

Jesus was very clear that evil comes from within

Pharisees wrongly thought they were legally obedient too
Its Jesus who is God that said John14:15-18 not the Pharisees. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for keeping their man-made laws/traditions over obedience to the commandments of God. Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 You can't change what Jesus said plainly. You can but we are warned Pro30:6

We can either be like the Pharisees and keep our own rules, or be a child of God and obey Him through faith and love. Luke 6:46 John14:15 Exo20:6 1John5:3 Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16 one reconciles us Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 the other does not Mat7:23 1 John2:4 Rev22:15
 
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Its Jesus who is God that said John14:15-18 not the Pharisees. Jesus condemned the Pharisees for keeping their man-made laws/traditions over obedience to the commandments of God. Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13
Jesus condemned children of the DEVIL in them, John 8:44

Your position doesn't account for the unseen adversaries with those people.

Yet Jesus showed us this fact many times in many ways. Devils, the tempter, operate within

You can't change what Jesus said plainly. You can but we are warned Pro30:6
Again, your position only sees people. It's a common lack of insight.
We can either be like the Pharisees and keep our own rules, or be a child of God
It was never an either or position to start with. You just again miss the obvious but unseen other parties and see only people.

Jesus did not see that way
and obey Him through faith and love.
The evil within no one obeys.
Luke 6:46 John14:15 Exo20:6 1John5:3 Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16 one reconciles us Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 the other does not Mat7:23 1 John2:4 Rev22:15
Jesus did not say Mark 7:21-23 was optional. It's a hard line fact
 
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Jesus condemned children of the DEVIL in them, John 8:44

Your position doesn't account for the unseen adversaries with those people.

Yet Jesus showed us this fact many times in many ways. Devils, the tempter, operate within


Again, your position only sees people. It's a common lack of insight.

It was never an either or position to start with. You just again miss the obvious but unseen other parties and see only people.

Jesus did not see that way

The evil within no one obeys.

Jesus did not say Mark 7:21-23 was optional. It's a hard line fact
Actually its the opposite.

The position of God is that we do not sin 1 John 2:1-6 (break God's law) but if we love Him, we will keep His commandments John14:15 which He provides the Holy Spirit of Truth that enables us to do so. John14:15-18

On the flip side, those who keep sinning, without seeking the help of God to forsake Pro28:13 which means turn from sin, walk in Christ without sin, those are people who do not serve God, but the other spirit behind all sin and lies John8:44 1 John3:8

One path leads to righteousness, the other path leads to death Rom6:16

Its two powers, we either serve God and that is shown through our obedience to Him John14:15 Luke6:46 Rev 14:12 or we worship Him in vain laying aside the commandments of God serving sin Mark7:7-13 and another master. 1John3:8

Jesus came to free us from the bondage sin, why God's commandments are the law of liberty James2:11-12 but sadly many love their sins more than their love for Jesus to seek His help in overcoming. John 3:19-21
 
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The law is not of faith

What "LAW" is not of Faith? If God tells me, a thief, "Do not steal" or a man that hates my brother, "do not hate your brother in your heart" or a man whose most precious treasured possession is my son, "take your only son and sacrifice him to me", and I repent of "MY" way, and I deny myself, rule over my flesh, refuse to let sin, (rejection or transgression of God's commandments) reign in my mortal body, and become a "Doer" of God's sayings and not a hearer only, that is God's Very definition of Faith, according to the Bible.

But Israel completely rejected this God, they were "children in whom was no Faith", they created their own god and said, "This is the god that led us out of sin", even after God Commanded them, "Thou shall not" engage in such behavior. But they became like the world of Noah's time, like "Sodom and Gomorrah". So God considered wiping them all out, and making a great nation out of Moses, but HE relented and showed mercy on the Children of Israel. And allowed Moses to go up a second time to secure again, the covenant they broke. Only this Time God "ADDED" a LAW that wasn't given to them in the the day they left Egypt. He "ADDED" a "LAW" that Abraham didn't have.

In this "LAW", when a man transgressed God's commandments, this man was required to take a goat of certain age and gender, of certain condition, and kill it before a Levite Priest who would take the Blood of the sacrifice and perform priesthood duties, to provide for the forgiveness of sins.

This "law" was to be in place until the true "Lamb of God", which Abraham understood, came and provided for their atonement Himself.

Gen. 22: 7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

The Pharisees who had taken over the City of David, and Solomons Temple, didn't believe Moses. They rejected God's commandments and went about establishing their own righteousness. They didn't believe Jesus was "This Lamb" prophesied by the Prophets since before Abraham. So they were still requiring a corrupted version of this "LAW" before justification/remission of sins could be provided for. Abraham knew and understood his sins were covered by this "Christ". Caleb, Shadrack, Daniel, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, all lived by "Faith" as defined by God through Abraham. But the Pharisees were still promoting justification by "Works of the Temporary Law", that was to lead them, if they had the faith of Abraham, to their true High Priest, and the True Lamb of God.

Men could see this more clearly if they believed all that was written in the Law and Prophets as Paul did. Read Is. chapter 1. This is the perfect representation of the mainstream religions of the world Paul was placed in.

These men who "professed to know God" rejected His Judgments and created their own, rejected God's Feasts, and created their own high days. They full well rejected the commandments of God that they might live by their own religious traditions. God likened them to Sodom and Gomorrah.

And yet every week they would gather together unto Him and offer to Him for their willful rejection of His instruction, the blood of an innocent, righteous, unblemished being, as per the LAW, for justification.

In other words, these men would reject God's Commandments and judgments, knowing full well what He commanded them, just as those who built the golden calf. But they interpreted this "ADDED" Law as a means of Justification, instead of repentance and obedience as they were created of. As God told Saul, "To obey is better than sacrifice".

Faith in God, "is obedience" to God. As it is written, Anyone who says they have faith in God, and are rejecting His Commandments is a Liar, and the Truth is not in Him.

Abraham and His children were blessed, not because they "heard" God's Laws, but because, as Paul teaches, they were "Doers" of God's Laws, as it is written: "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

Sodom heard God's Laws, but were not "doers". The children of Israel who fell in the wilderness "heard" God's Laws, but were not "doers". The Wicked Kings of Israel "heard God's Laws", but were not "doers".

Rom. 2: 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the "doers" of the law "shall be justified".

Ananias, with Sapphira his wife were "hearers" of God's Laws, not "doers".

Eve was a "hearer" of God's Laws, not a "doer".

Men of true Faith have always been "Doers" of God's Laws, not hearers only. Those Christians in Matthew 7:22,23, were "Hearers" of God's Laws, not "doers" like those whose house will Stand.

From the very beginning the prince of this world has promoted the philosophy that God's Laws are "Against" men.

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (reject God's Commandment) then your eyes shall be opened, and (then) ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

This is the philosophy of the prince of this world, that as long as man "Yields themselves" servants to obey God, they will remain blind and Ignorant.

My friends, listen to the Jesus "of the bible" and "live by", not by the traditions, high days and philosophies of this world's popular religious sects and businesses, but by every Word that proceeds from the Mouth of God.

Live by Faith in God, like His Only begotten Son, and "Every Example" of Faithful man did. Glorify Him by honoring Him with more than your lips. Yes, it will bring divisions in your life. Yes, you will have internal battles. Yes, the religions of this world will shun, ridicule and cast you out. But in the end the truly Faithful will be told, "well done, good and faithful servant.
 
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Righteousness/obedience of God's will is still required under the new covenant.

But we either obey by the Letter, which is me faking righteousness, or we obey by the Spirit, which is me now together with God doing it the right way. That's the difference between the old and new: "Apart from Me you can do nothing", John 15:5. That's what reconciliation between man and God is all about. Union with God is the basis of holiness for man while disunion from Him, Adam's way, is the basis of man's unholiness.
 
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