Who then can be saved?

[Aaron112]

As Jesus Says, and He Is God, why do you call me Lord, Lord, and do not do as I say ?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Nah. Just you.

Please save your breath, my belief system is settled based on what God said. Not one thus the Lord in all of Scripture tells us not to keep the Sabbath commandment. I just can’t help but wonder how God feels how people use that He is Lord of the Sabbath as a way to profane Him Eze 22:26 instead of how the Lord of the Sabbath kept it Luke4:16 and told us to Lev23:3 Exo 20:8-11. Jesus never said He changed the Sabbath, Jesus never turned into the 4th commandment, but believe as you wish

 

[Hentenza]

You can save your breath, my belief system is settled based on what God said.

All of us read the same scripture and don’t think like you. Your belief is based on faulty interpretation.

Not one thus the Lord in all of Scripture tells us not to keep the Sabbath commandment. I just can’t help but wonder how God feels how people use that He is Lord of the Sabbath as a way to profane Him Eze 22:26. Jesus never said He changed the Sabbath, Jesus never turned into the 4th commandment, but believe as you wish

And yet you are still to provide a post crucifixion verse that commands the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

All of us read the same scripture and don’t think like you. Your belief is based on faulty interpretation.

And yet you are still to provide a post crucifixion verse that commands the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

Nah, God’s Testimony Exo 31:18 is not faulty, its perfect for converting the soul Pa 19:7 the people are the ones faulty, those who refuse to subject themselves to it. Rom 8:7-8

 

[Hentenza]

Nah, God’s Testimony Exo 31:18 is not faulty,

Just that it was given to Israel not to the New Testament church. The law, included the 10 commandments, was never given to the gentiles.

just the people who refuse to subject themselves to it. Rom 8:7-8

“because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭7‬-‭8‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 8:7-8 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020

because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

bible.com

The Christian church are the body of Christ comprised of believers not those that walk in the flesh.

This is right after Paul said:

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭2‬-‭4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 8:2-4 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in th | New American Standard Bible - NASB

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in th

bible.com

Do you really think your interpretation of these verses is correct? Is Paul defending the law in these verses?

 

[Aaron112]

Bible Gateway
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3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and [a] behaving like mere men?

1 Corinthians 3:3-9 KJV - For ye are yet carnal: for whereas​

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For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith,

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Just that it was given to Israel not to the New Testament church. The law, included the 10 commandments, was never given to the gentiles.

“because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭7‬-‭8‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 8:7-8 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020

because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

bible.com

The Christian church are the body of Christ comprised of believers not those that walk in the flesh.

This is right after Paul said:

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭2‬-‭4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 8:2-4 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in th | New American Standard Bible - NASB

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in th

bible.com

Do you really think your interpretation of these verses is correct? Is Paul defending the law in these verses?

Those walking in the flesh are not subject to God’s laws Rom 8:7-8 why Jesus will say depart from Me Mat 7:23 Not everyone who says Lord Lord (believers) will enter His Kingdom, only those that do His will Psa 40:8 Mat 7:21-23 Exo 31:18 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

Why do you think the Holy Spirit of Truth who wrote the Ten Commandments because all of God’s commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 those who keep not His commandments have no truth in them 1 John 2:4 would be teaching people to be an enemy to God by breaking God’s laws. That’s not what it means to be in Christ walking in the Spirit where there is no condemnation Rom 8:1 because the righteousness of the law is fulfilled (keeping) in us Rom 8:4, in contrast being in the flesh is being an enemy to God and not subject to the law of God (not keeping) Rom 8:7-8 they lay it aside as to say its not for me Mark 7:7-13. Those who are walking in His Spirit are keeping His commandments (His version) though love, faith and the power of the Holy Spirit John 14:15-18

Romans 7: 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. The law of sin is death Rom 6:23 there is no death for those in Christ because one would be keeping God’s laws through Christ and not rebelling John 15:10 John 14:15-18 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

All will get sorted out in God’s time. It’s time for me to move on. I do wish you well.

 

[Hentenza]

Those walking in the flesh are not subject to God’s laws Rom 8:7-8 why Jesus will say depart from Me Mat 7:23 Not everyone who says Lord Lord (believers) will enter His Kingdom, only those that do His will Psa 40:8 Mat 7:21-23 Exo 31:18 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

Why do you think the Holy Spirit of Truth who wrote the Ten Commandments because all of God’s commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 those who keep not His commandments have no truth in them 1 John 2:4 would be teaching people to be an enemy to God by breaking God’s laws. That’s not what it means to be in Christ walking in the Spirit where there is no condemnation Rom 8:1 because the righteousness of the law is fulfilled (keeping) in us Rom 8:4, in contrast being in the flesh is being an enemy to God and not subject to the law of God (not keeping) Rom 8:7-8 they lay it aside as to say its not for me Mark 7:7-13. Those who are walking in His Spirit are keeping His commandments (His version) though love, faith and the power of the Holy Spirit John 14:15-18

Romans 7: 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. The law of sin is death Rom 6:23 there is no death for those in Christ because one would be keeping God’s laws through Christ and not rebelling John 15:10 John 14:15-18 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

All will get sorted out in God’s time. It’s time for me to move on. I do wish you well.

We have already discussed these verses ad naseum. You know that in the OT verses the audience is Israel not the Christian church. You also know that the Christian is not under the law. And you are still to provide a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Mat 4:4 But He (Jesus) answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

Did you know the commandment that has the most thus saith the Lords in all of the Bible is the 4th commandment, where God placed His seal Exo 20:11 which certainly never ended Rev 14:7

What I will never understand - God who He Himself says He does not change, people think the God of the NT deletes the God of the OT. Not according to Jesus, if we believe what He has to say who is God made flesh.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

even AI understand this

2. But Which Commandment Does God Emphasize Most in the Bible?​

✅ The Fourth Commandment (Sabbath) is the only one God:​

• Calls "My holy day" (Isaiah 58:13)
• Links to Creation (Genesis 2:1–3; Exodus 20:11)
• Uses to test Israel's obedience before Sinai (Exodus 16)
• Commands to remember as a sign between Him and His people (Ezekiel 20:12, 20)
• Institutes as a covenantal sign (Exodus 31:13–17)

The Fourth Commandment is the most directly spoken about by God throughout the Bible. It is personally claimed by Him, reaffirmed repeatedly, and tied to His identity as both Creator and Sanctifier.

Regardless what man does to God's Sabbath, the Holy day of the Lord, God never sanctified another day to keep holy. Only God can sanctify a day, only God can sanctify us both are tied to God's Sabbath. Why the Sabbath continues on for eternity thus saith the Lord Isa 66:23


Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

Just like God tested Israel on the Sabbath, I believe it is our test as well. Who are we going to be faithful to God, or follow the popular traditions of man. Receive God's sanctification Eze 20:12 or try to ourselves Isa 66:17

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ai even understand Col 2:16

Great question — Colossians 2:16 is often cited in discussions about whether Christians are still required to keep the Sabbath commandment (the Fourth Commandment). Let's look at the verse carefully, in its full context, and then assess whether it refers to the weekly Sabbath from the Ten Commandments or ceremonial sabbaths in the Law of Moses.

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Colossians 2:16–17 (NKJV)​

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

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Key Questions:​

1. What kind of “sabbaths” is Paul talking about?​

Let’s break the phrase down:

“festival, new moon, or sabbaths”

This phrase appears in many places in the Old Testament, often in this same order, and always refers to ceremonial observances:

• 1 Chronicles 23:31
• 2 Chronicles 2:4
• 2 Chronicles 31:3
• Nehemiah 10:33
• Ezekiel 45:17
• Hosea 2:11

These texts link festivals, new moons, and sabbaths as ceremonial observances — part of the Mosaic (Levitical) system, not the weekly seventh-day Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.

That’s why Paul says in Col. 2:17:

"which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."

In other words, these ceremonial laws pointed forward to Christ and found their fulfillment in Him.

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2. Is the weekly Sabbath also a shadow?​

There’s a strong distinction between:

Type of Law	Description	Shadow of Christ?	Abolished in Christ?
Moral Law (10 Commandments)	Eternal moral principles (Ex. 20)	❌ No	❌ No
Ceremonial Law	Feasts, sacrifices, rituals, sabbaths tied to festivals (Lev. 23)	✅ Yes	✅ Yes

• The weekly Sabbath was:
  • Given at Creation (Genesis 2:2–3)
  • Reinforced in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8–11)
  • Not instituted as a shadow, but as a memorial of creation
• The ceremonial sabbaths (e.g., Day of Atonement, Feast of Trumpets) are:
  • Called sabbaths too (see Leviticus 23)
  • Fall on various days, not necessarily the seventh day
  • Shadows pointing to Jesus' work

Therefore, when Paul talks about “sabbaths which are a shadow”, he refers to these ceremonial sabbaths, not the weekly Sabbath of the Fourth Commandment.

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3. Did Jesus or the Apostles abolish the weekly Sabbath?​

• Jesus kept the Sabbath (Luke 4:16)
• The disciples kept the Sabbath after Jesus' death (Acts 13:42, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4)
• Hebrews 4:9 says:
  

  "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest [Greek: sabbatismos] for the people of God."

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✅ Conclusion:​

Colossians 2:16 does not cancel the weekly Sabbath commandment.
It refers to ceremonial sabbaths, along with food and drink offerings, and religious festivals that were shadows pointing to Christ.

The Fourth Commandment Sabbath is not a shadow, but a memorial of creation and a sign of God’s sanctifying work (Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12).

 

[Aaron112]

God's Word did not and does not change.
Jesus asks those , again, today, why call me Lord and still rebel against Me, still refuse to obey Me.?

 

[fhansen]

I did not chose God, because I hated Him and I loved my sin instead. I was totally committed and consumed with fulfilling my lust and I was in bondage to Satan, who blinded me to the truth so there was no way I would even consider serving God.

Dead people cannot chose to serve God or even believe in Him, so I boast in my Redeemer. How can a totally depraved wicked sinner, take any credit for being made alive out of his dead sate???

I choose Him everyday. He's the best thing going and I thank Him for showing me something trully, ineffably Good and worthy of my love and adoration in this otherwise god-forsaken hopeless world. Sometimes I stray, however, fool that I am, proving that I'm still capable of a compromised loyalty, distracted and drawn to lesser, created things now and then over Him; sometimes I sin, IOW, not yet perfected in the love that He gives me.

 

[A New Dawn]

Please save your breath, my belief system is settled based on what God said. Not one thus the Lord in all of Scripture tells us not to keep the Sabbath commandment. I just can’t help but wonder how God feels how people use that He is Lord of the Sabbath as a way to profane Him Eze 22:26 instead of how the Lord of the Sabbath kept it Luke4:16 and told us to Lev23:3 Exo 20:8-11. Jesus never said He changed the Sabbath, Jesus never turned into the 4th commandment, but believe as you wish

Jesus IS the sabbath rest. There is reason to follow a law that has been fulfilled in the person of Jesus. Doing so negates Jesus sacrifice and Hebrews 6 speaks about that issue.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus IS the sabbath rest. There is reason to follow a law that has been fulfilled in the person of Jesus. Doing so negates Jesus sacrifice and Hebrews 6 speaks about that issue.

According to Jesus owns words He said this:

Mat 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Jesus is the Creator, not the creation. Jesus never turned into the 4th commandment so we do not need to keep it. The Sabbath is something man does Isa 56:2

Are you claiming that the apostles who kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross negated Jesus sacrifice? Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4

Jesus who told His faithful to pray 40 years after the Cross for their flight not be on the Sabbath day, Mat 24:20 negated His own Sacrifice?

The Sabbath is personally claimed by Him, reaffirmed repeatedly, and tied to His identity as both Creator Exo 20:11 Eze 20:20 and Sanctifier. Eze 20:12

Sorry, this argument is nonsensical.

 

[A New Dawn]

I choose Him everyday. He's the best thing going and I thank Him for showing me something trully, ineffably Good and worthy of my love and adoration in this otherwise god-forsaken hopeless world. Sometimes I stray, however, fool that I am, proving that I'm still capable of a compromised loyalty, distracted and drawn to lesser, created things now and then over Him; sometimes I sin, IOW, not yet perfected in the love that He gives me.

If you have to choose him every day, then you are not putting your trust in Him. You are trusting to your own works.

 

[A New Dawn]

According to Jesus owns words He said this:

Mat 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Jesus is the Creator, not the creation. Jesus never turned into the 4th commandment so we do not need to keep it. The Sabbath is something man does Isa 56:2

Are you claiming that the apostles who kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross negated Jesus sacrifice? Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4

Jesus who told His faithful to pray 40 years after the Cross for their flight not be on the Sabbath day, Mat 24:20 negated His own Sacrifice?

The Sabbath is personally claimed by Him, reaffirmed repeatedly, and tied to His identity as both Creator Exo 20:11 Eze 20:20 and Sanctifier. Eze 20:12

Sorry, this argument is nonsensical.

Matthew 11:28-30

 

[fhansen]

If you have to choose him every day, then you are not putting your trust in Him. You are trusting to your own works.

Nope, I have to do my part in staying true to the relationship, as with any relationship. He's never been interested in robots-or else sin wouldn't have been been possible to begin with, for one thing.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Matthew 11:28-30

Yes, He’s the rest giver not the 4th commandment. The Sabbath is something man does according to God, if that counts Isa 56:2 Exo 20:8-11 its not a commandment for Him to keep so we can profane. God gave rest throughout the Bible, never once does it say it deletes the 4th commandment. In fact, we are told those who enter into Christ rest (where there is no sin) also (which means in addition) ceases from their work as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11Gen2:1-3

Why Jesus said Mat 11:28-30 and still kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 Lev 23:3 as did the apostles Acts 13:42,44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 etc Jesus is our example 1John2:6 1Peter 2:21-22

 

[Dan1988]

The Bible does not teach everyone is saved by grace alone. The Bible teaches we are saved by grace through faith Eph 2:8 and faith does not void the Law it establishes it Rom 3:31 How does someone have faith but not faith enough to put that into action. Faith is not passive as you are suggesting, it is very active. I suggest reading the faith chapter Heb 11 to see examples of this. Why we are told to be doers of the word James 1:22-26- Jesus said only those that DOES the will of the Father will enter into heaven Mat7:21-23 one of the last verses before the second coming of Jesus says Blessed are those that DO His commandments may enter into the Kingdom, those who don’t are left outside Rev22:14-15

I am not sure how this got so twisted that obeying God is bad and disobeying Him is good. It’s not a teaching from our Lord and Savior Exo 20:6 John 14:15 John15:10

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?

Faith is a Big word but sadly many reduce it to a very small one.

Grace is God’s gift to give or not give and He says its given through faith. If Abraham didn’t listen to God about Issac when his faith was tested God would have chosen someone else to make Him a great nation. Disobedience to God is rebellion, unbelief and sin. Heb 3:7-19 not faith.

So you still hold to the view that you somehow conjured up and produced faith from within yourself, while you were dead in sin. I asked how a dead man can find it within himself to make himself alive and change his nature from a carnal sin nature to a Christlike nature.

You obviously believe that man is not fallen and he is born with two natures, "a sin nature, which hates God, and a Holy nature which hates sin and loves God". This sounds like a bi polar, type of nature, you're suggesting that man has the Spirit of Satan and the Holy Spirit in him when he is born and the wise guys fight and overcome their wicked nature, and use the faith they conjured up to cash in on Gods offer of salvation.

Your version of the gospel, just doesn't line up with the one in the Bible.

I'm not sure why you reject what Gods Word clearly says about faith, below ---
Ephesians 2:8-10
you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Do you think the writer of Ephesians was telling lies when he wrote that faith is a gift of God, or do you reject that fact because it leaves you nothing to boast about???

God didn't offer salvation to the wise guys who happen to figure out that spending eternity in paradise is better than spending it in the lake of fire. Let's face it, it's a very hard choice as both options are great, but one is a just a bit better and only those who were born with a high IQ will crack the code and choose the better option.

That version of the gospel is very cruel towards those poor people who were born with intellectual disabilities. It sounds like a very cruel god to me, that's why I prefer the gospel which is found in the authorised edition of the Bible. The God of the Bible doesn't punish the disadvantaged with hell fire, the Bible says that He is pleased to bless them.

How do you deal with all those scriptures which confirm that, the natural man cannot receive spiritual things, I'm sue you know "the natural man" refers to one who has not been regenerated and God has not quickened to life so they remain dead in their sin. And we know that a dead man can do nothing but stink.

What about Romans 3:11 "There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God". Do you sweep this verse under the carpet, to claim that you were seeking after God before He quickened you to life.

And what about the verse that confirms that the Lord Jesus is the author of our "FAITH" and completes the work of salvation for you, --

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. It was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

What do you suppose "chosen you from the beginning for salvation means?