Who then can be saved?

[Aaron112]

As Jesus Says, and He Is God, why do you call me Lord, Lord, and do not do as I say ?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Nah. Just you.

Please save your breath, my belief system is settled based on what God said. Not one thus the Lord in all of Scripture tells us not to keep the Sabbath commandment. I just can’t help but wonder how God feels how people use that He is Lord of the Sabbath as a way to profane Him Eze 22:26 instead of how the Lord of the Sabbath kept it Luke4:16 and told us to Lev23:3 Exo 20:8-11. Jesus never said He changed the Sabbath, Jesus never turned into the 4th commandment, but believe as you wish

 

[Hentenza]

You can save your breath, my belief system is settled based on what God said.

All of us read the same scripture and don’t think like you. Your belief is based on faulty interpretation.

Not one thus the Lord in all of Scripture tells us not to keep the Sabbath commandment. I just can’t help but wonder how God feels how people use that He is Lord of the Sabbath as a way to profane Him Eze 22:26. Jesus never said He changed the Sabbath, Jesus never turned into the 4th commandment, but believe as you wish

And yet you are still to provide a post crucifixion verse that commands the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

All of us read the same scripture and don’t think like you. Your belief is based on faulty interpretation.

And yet you are still to provide a post crucifixion verse that commands the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

Nah, God’s Testimony Exo 31:18 is not faulty, its perfect for converting the soul Pa 19:7 the people are the ones faulty, those who refuse to subject themselves to it. Rom 8:7-8

 

[Hentenza]

Nah, God’s Testimony Exo 31:18 is not faulty,

Just that it was given to Israel not to the New Testament church. The law, included the 10 commandments, was never given to the gentiles.

just the people who refuse to subject themselves to it. Rom 8:7-8

“because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭7‬-‭8‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 8:7-8 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020

because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

bible.com

The Christian church are the body of Christ comprised of believers not those that walk in the flesh.

This is right after Paul said:

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭2‬-‭4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 8:2-4 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in th | New American Standard Bible - NASB

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in th

bible.com

Do you really think your interpretation of these verses is correct? Is Paul defending the law in these verses?

 

[Aaron112]

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3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and [a] behaving like mere men?

1 Corinthians 3:3-9 KJV - For ye are yet carnal: for whereas​

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For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith,

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Just that it was given to Israel not to the New Testament church. The law, included the 10 commandments, was never given to the gentiles.

“because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭7‬-‭8‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 8:7-8 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020

because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

bible.com

The Christian church are the body of Christ comprised of believers not those that walk in the flesh.

This is right after Paul said:

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭2‬-‭4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 8:2-4 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in th | New American Standard Bible - NASB

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in th

bible.com

Do you really think your interpretation of these verses is correct? Is Paul defending the law in these verses?

Those walking in the flesh are not subject to God’s laws Rom 8:7-8 why Jesus will say depart from Me Mat 7:23 Not everyone who says Lord Lord (believers) will enter His Kingdom, only those that do His will Psa 40:8 Mat 7:21-23 Exo 31:18 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

Why do you think the Holy Spirit of Truth who wrote the Ten Commandments because all of God’s commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 those who keep not His commandments have no truth in them 1 John 2:4 would be teaching people to be an enemy to God by breaking God’s laws. That’s not what it means to be in Christ walking in the Spirit where there is no condemnation Rom 8:1 because the righteousness of the law is fulfilled (keeping) in us Rom 8:4, in contrast being in the flesh is being an enemy to God and not subject to the law of God (not keeping) Rom 8:7-8 they lay it aside as to say its not for me Mark 7:7-13. Those who are walking in His Spirit are keeping His commandments (His version) though love, faith and the power of the Holy Spirit John 14:15-18

Romans 7: 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. The law of sin is death Rom 6:23 there is no death for those in Christ because one would be keeping God’s laws through Christ and not rebelling John 15:10 John 14:15-18 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

All will get sorted out in God’s time. It’s time for me to move on. I do wish you well.

 

[Hentenza]

Those walking in the flesh are not subject to God’s laws Rom 8:7-8 why Jesus will say depart from Me Mat 7:23 Not everyone who says Lord Lord (believers) will enter His Kingdom, only those that do His will Psa 40:8 Mat 7:21-23 Exo 31:18 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

Why do you think the Holy Spirit of Truth who wrote the Ten Commandments because all of God’s commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 those who keep not His commandments have no truth in them 1 John 2:4 would be teaching people to be an enemy to God by breaking God’s laws. That’s not what it means to be in Christ walking in the Spirit where there is no condemnation Rom 8:1 because the righteousness of the law is fulfilled (keeping) in us Rom 8:4, in contrast being in the flesh is being an enemy to God and not subject to the law of God (not keeping) Rom 8:7-8 they lay it aside as to say its not for me Mark 7:7-13. Those who are walking in His Spirit are keeping His commandments (His version) though love, faith and the power of the Holy Spirit John 14:15-18

Romans 7: 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. The law of sin is death Rom 6:23 there is no death for those in Christ because one would be keeping God’s laws through Christ and not rebelling John 15:10 John 14:15-18 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

All will get sorted out in God’s time. It’s time for me to move on. I do wish you well.

We have already discussed these verses ad naseum. You know that in the OT verses the audience is Israel not the Christian church. You also know that the Christian is not under the law. And you are still to provide a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Mat 4:4 But He (Jesus) answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

Did you know the commandment that has the most thus saith the Lords in all of the Bible is the 4th commandment, where God placed His seal Exo 20:11 which certainly never ended Rev 14:7

What I will never understand - God who He Himself say He does not change, people think the God of the NT deletes the God of the OT. Not according to Jesus, if we believe what He has to say who is God made flesh.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

even AI understand this

2. But Which Commandment Does God Emphasize Most in the Bible?​

✅ The Fourth Commandment (Sabbath) is the only one God:​

• Calls "My holy day" (Isaiah 58:13)
• Links to Creation (Genesis 2:1–3; Exodus 20:11)
• Uses to test Israel's obedience before Sinai (Exodus 16)
• Commands to remember as a sign between Him and His people (Ezekiel 20:12, 20)
• Institutes as a covenantal sign (Exodus 31:13–17)

The Fourth Commandment is the most directly spoken about by God throughout the Bible. It is personally claimed by Him, reaffirmed repeatedly, and tied to His identity as both Creator and Sanctifier.

Regardless what man does to God's Sabbath, the Holy day of the Lord, God never sanctified another day to keep holy. Only God can sanctify a day, only God can sanctify us both are tied to God's Sabbath. Why the Sabbath continues on for eternity thus saith the Lord Isa 66:23


Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ai even understand Col 2:16

Great question — Colossians 2:16 is often cited in discussions about whether Christians are still required to keep the Sabbath commandment (the Fourth Commandment). Let's look at the verse carefully, in its full context, and then assess whether it refers to the weekly Sabbath from the Ten Commandments or ceremonial sabbaths in the Law of Moses.

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Colossians 2:16–17 (NKJV)​

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

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Key Questions:​

1. What kind of “sabbaths” is Paul talking about?​

Let’s break the phrase down:

“festival, new moon, or sabbaths”

This phrase appears in many places in the Old Testament, often in this same order, and always refers to ceremonial observances:

• 1 Chronicles 23:31
• 2 Chronicles 2:4
• 2 Chronicles 31:3
• Nehemiah 10:33
• Ezekiel 45:17
• Hosea 2:11

These texts link festivals, new moons, and sabbaths as ceremonial observances — part of the Mosaic (Levitical) system, not the weekly seventh-day Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.

That’s why Paul says in Col. 2:17:

"which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."

In other words, these ceremonial laws pointed forward to Christ and found their fulfillment in Him.

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2. Is the weekly Sabbath also a shadow?​

There’s a strong distinction between:

Type of Law	Description	Shadow of Christ?	Abolished in Christ?
Moral Law (10 Commandments)	Eternal moral principles (Ex. 20)	❌ No	❌ No
Ceremonial Law	Feasts, sacrifices, rituals, sabbaths tied to festivals (Lev. 23)	✅ Yes	✅ Yes

• The weekly Sabbath was:
  • Given at Creation (Genesis 2:2–3)
  • Reinforced in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8–11)
  • Not instituted as a shadow, but as a memorial of creation
• The ceremonial sabbaths (e.g., Day of Atonement, Feast of Trumpets) are:
  • Called sabbaths too (see Leviticus 23)
  • Fall on various days, not necessarily the seventh day
  • Shadows pointing to Jesus' work

Therefore, when Paul talks about “sabbaths which are a shadow”, he refers to these ceremonial sabbaths, not the weekly Sabbath of the Fourth Commandment.

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3. Did Jesus or the Apostles abolish the weekly Sabbath?​

• Jesus kept the Sabbath (Luke 4:16)
• The disciples kept the Sabbath after Jesus' death (Acts 13:42, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4)
• Hebrews 4:9 says:
  

  "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest [Greek: sabbatismos] for the people of God."

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✅ Conclusion:​

Colossians 2:16 does not cancel the weekly Sabbath commandment.
It refers to ceremonial sabbaths, along with food and drink offerings, and religious festivals that were shadows pointing to Christ.

The Fourth Commandment Sabbath is not a shadow, but a memorial of creation and a sign of God’s sanctifying work (Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12).