What Would Jesus Say About Vaccines?

[d taylor]

Lepers and leper colonies are so foreign to our experience that we have trouble understanding the situation. That is because true leprosy can be treated. Antibiotics can arrest the progress of the disease but cannot replace tissue that has been destroyed.

Harper’s Bible Dictionary (1973) under Leprosy has a photo of lepers in Palestine in the 20th century.

Caption: “Lepers along a Palestine road, c. 1930. Such sights have disappeared in Palestine today, thanks to modern medicine.”

The United States had leper colonies until the mid-20th century. The most famous one was in Hawaii. These were a form of quarantine. In the early 20th century, quarantine was authorized by law for several serious diseases. The archives of the Smithsonian Institution have an unsigned card from around 1920 that could be used to quarantine a house or apartment in Connecticut. The card declares a quarantine for diptheria but quarantines for polio, scarlet fever and smallpox were also possible.

https://www.si.edu/object/quarantine-diphtheria-all-persons-are-forbidden-enter-or-leave-these-premises-without-permission%3Anmah_1292350

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All of Jesus' miracle healing where specifically for showing and proving Jesus is the long awaited promised Messiah for the nation of Israel.

That is why Jesus told this person to show himself to the priest. because the priest, Sadducee's and Pharisees. The leaders of Israel would make the decision for the nation of Israel, which in Matthew 12 they made the wrong decision.

Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”
But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

 

[Strong in Him]

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All of Jesus' miracle healing where specifically for showing and proving Jesus is the long awaited promised Messiah for the nation of Israel.

That is why Jesus told this person to show himself to the priest.

He told the man to show himself to the priest because the priest was the person who would declare him to be unclean.
People would have been able to see that the man was free from leprosy, but the priest officially confirmed it so that the former leper could take his place in society and attend worship again etc.

 

[David Lamb]

The majority don’t treat their health as a democracy and ask everyone to weigh in. Whether we agree or not it’s theirs to choose. You have your perspective on the subject and that’s fine. Only you can decide what’s best and I wouldn’t intervene. I respect your right to choose. If you ask my opinion I’ll give it. Otherwise I won’t.

~bella

But I never mentioned making health choices. I only commented on what you said concerning the content of a post by Strong in Him, saying that she hadn't written what you claimed she had written. I did not give my perspective the subject of health.

 

[Dale]

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All of Jesus' miracle healing where specifically for showing and proving Jesus is the long awaited promised Messiah for the nation of Israel.

That is why Jesus told this person to show himself to the priest. because the priest, Sadducee's and Pharisees. The leaders of Israel would make the decision for the nation of Israel, which in Matthew 12 they made the wrong decision.

Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”
But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

I am not sure why you want to limit the significance of the miracles of Christ. Anyway, I did not so much point to the miracle, I pointed to what Jesus told the leper to do, to go the priest, the recognized authority.

When you say that the Pharisees rejected Jesus, on behalf of the Jews, in Matthew 12, you are exaggerating the significance of events in that chapter. Clearly, the Sanhedrin rejected Jesus when they voted to crucify Him, (in an irregular vote). It looks like you are offering a Dispensaitonal perspective, that Jesus offered to set up a theocracy and Jewish leaders rejected that offer. That certainly isn't the way I look at it but that is another subject.

 

[d taylor]

I am not sure why you want to limit the significance of the miracles of Christ. Anyway, I did not so much point to the miracle, I pointed to what Jesus told the leper to do, to go the priest, the recognized authority.

When you say that the Pharisees rejected Jesus, on behalf of the Jews, in Matthew 12, you are exaggerating the significance of events in that chapter. Clearly, the Sanhedrin rejected Jesus when they voted to crucify Him, (in an irregular vote). It looks like you are offering a Dispensaitonal perspective, that Jesus offered to set up a theocracy and Jewish leaders rejected that offer. That certainly isn't the way I look at it but that is another subject.

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Jesus' first advent was for two purposes only. 1. to die on a cross so to take away the sin of the world 2. To offer the Kingdom of God to the nation of Israel.

Jesus accomplished the first part taking away the sin of the world. The second part Jesus was rejected as the promised Messiah and in turn Israel rejected the offer of The Kingdom.

Making this into a Jesus recognized priestly healing authority, so Jesus shows that. People some 2000 years later should believe in the authority of science and vaccines. Is a major twisting of Biblical accounts, to equate some kind of godly authority to science.

What you are trying to make this Biblical account say is
The priest in Jesus time represents the science of that time. So now we christians should follow Jesus' example and recognize the science of our time.

Which is absolute abuse of The Bible. The accounts in The Bible are not for supporting modern day science and their games.

 

[FireDragon76]

No, I'm not suggesting that modern pharmacy is a practice of sorcery, I take tablets everyday but when is came to the covid vaccine it worried me as it had never been fully tested and they couldn't even tell you the ingredients that was in it.

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That's a false analogy. A doctor prescribing a drug is not like a chef baking cupcakes.

Doctors can prescribe drugs, but the compounding of drugs isn't their area of expertise. Most modern drugs are actually compounds, not single chemicals. It's a pharmacists job to understand the compounds in a drug, not a doctor.

 

[seeking.IAM]

I think Jesus would say, "We created and give you people with scientific knowledge and wisdom. Why are you ignoring them in favor of someone with an opinion or wild guess unsupported by the gifts of wisdom and knowledge?"

 

[Dale]

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Jesus' first advent was for two purposes only. 1. to die on a cross so to take away the sin of the world 2. To offer the Kingdom of God to the nation of Israel.

Jesus accomplished the first part taking away the sin of the world. The second part Jesus was rejected as the promised Messiah and in turn Israel rejected the offer of The Kingdom.

Making this into a Jesus recognized priestly healing authority, so Jesus shows that. People some 2000 years later should believe in the authority of science and vaccines. Is a major twisting of Biblical accounts, to equate some kind of godly authority to science.

What you are trying to make this Biblical account say is
The priest in Jesus time represents the science of that time. So now we christians should follow Jesus' example and recognize the science of our time.

Which is absolute abuse of The Bible. The accounts in The Bible are not for supporting modern day science and their games.

Dtaylor: “Jesus' first advent was for two purposes only. 1. to die on a cross so to take away the sin of the world 2. To offer the Kingdom of God to the nation of Israel.”

Don’t try to put limits on why Jesus came. If what you said was true, there would be no place for the teachings of Jesus. That can’t be right. Jesus came to offer salvation to the world.

Dtaylor: “Is a major twisting of Biblical accounts, to equate some kind of godly authority to science.”

Did David refuse to use a sword when he went into battle? After all, the working of iron and steel is something discovered by men and not given by God on Mt. Sinai.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

The Greek word pharmakeia appears in the New Testament and is translated as "sorcery"

The biblical context emphasizes the harmful and deceptive aspects of pharmakeia, such as in Galatians 5:20 and Revelation 9:21 and 18:23.

So IMO the answer would be a big NO NO to the covid vaccine.

Next time you read the book of Leviticus, consider examining it closely. Much of the text focuses on basic hygiene, cleanliness, washing hands after bodily functions, and covering bodily fluids or excrement. The laws also prohibit certain foods, including pork and some types of fish, which may have been considered harmful or capable of spreading disease. God used medical science as much as we do.

I have friends who are missionary doctors serving around the world, using their medical skills in service to God. Medical science is seen as a gift from God, whether it's administering vaccines or simply applying a cold cloth to someone with a high fever.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

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Jesus' first advent was for two purposes only. 1. to die on a cross so to take away the sin of the world 2. To offer the Kingdom of God to the nation of Israel.

Jesus accomplished the first part taking away the sin of the world. The second part Jesus was rejected as the promised Messiah and in turn Israel rejected the offer of The Kingdom.

Making this into a Jesus recognized priestly healing authority, so Jesus shows that. People some 2000 years later should believe in the authority of science and vaccines. Is a major twisting of Biblical accounts, to equate some kind of godly authority to science.

What you are trying to make this Biblical account say is
The priest in Jesus time represents the science of that time. So now we christians should follow Jesus' example and recognize the science of our time.

Which is absolute abuse of The Bible. The accounts in The Bible are not for supporting modern day science and their games.

I can read you post so I know you are ok with scientific achievement of internet and computing, but not vaccine!

 

[d taylor]

I can read you post so I know you are ok with scientific achievement of internet and computing, but not vaccine!

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No i have a problem with using Biblical accounts about the first advent of Jesus to say Jesus supports vaccines. which was never the purpose of this account. Biblical accounts do not change over the years to line up with science.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

They went through the normal trials of the time. The COVID-19 vaccines didn't., which is why they were released under emergency authorization.

Reactions to vaccines typically occur within hours of days from administration. Given that we're 4 years down the road from one of the largest vaccine rollouts in human history, with literally billions of people vaccinated, we would know by now if there was a problem.

You can go and get one - you'll be safe.

 

[d taylor]

Dtaylor: “Jesus' first advent was for two purposes only. 1. to die on a cross so to take away the sin of the world 2. To offer the Kingdom of God to the nation of Israel.”

Don’t try to put limits on why Jesus came. If what you said was true, there would be no place for the teachings of Jesus. That can’t be right. Jesus came to offer salvation to the world.

Dtaylor: “Is a major twisting of Biblical accounts, to equate some kind of godly authority to science.”

Did David refuse to use a sword when he went into battle? After all, the working of iron and steel is something discovered by men and not given by God on Mt. Sinai.

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David had to use a sword because the Hebrew people chose to follow mans way and reject God as their King.
So they placed themselves into the world and to fall to its ways. Which are satanic, as satan is god of this age.

Look at the coming rule of Jesus on earth people live way into the 100's and a time of world wide peace. No baby deaths and i would bet no need for vaccines, perfect justice, etc...

Just like the imperfect justice system of man now, mans science is a poor attempt at solving life's problems. When now there is more sickness

by Dr. Bob Moorehead
The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but
shorter tempers, wider Freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more,
but have less, we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and
smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees
but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more
problems, more medicine, but less wellness.

We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little,
drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too
little, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom. We have multiplied our
possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and
hate too often.

We’ve learned how to make a living, but not a life. We’ve added years to
life not life to years. We’ve been all the way to the moon and back, but
have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor. We conquered outer
space but not inner space. We’ve done larger things, but not better things.

We’ve cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We’ve conquered the atom,
but not our prejudice. We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but
accomplish less. We’ve learned to rush, but not to wait. We build more
computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but we
communicate less and less.

These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men and small
character, steep profits and shallow relationships.

These are the days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but
broken homes. These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway
morality, one night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything
from cheer, to quiet, to kill. It is a time when there is much in the
showroom window and nothing in the stockroom. A time when technology can
bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose either to share
this insight, or to just hit delete…

Remember, to spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not
going to be around forever. Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks
up to you in awe, because that little person soon will grow up and leave
your side.

Remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you, because that is the
only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn’t cost a cent.

Remember, to say, “I love you” to your partner and your loved ones, but most
of all mean it. A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes from
deep inside of you.

Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person might
not be there again. Give time to love, give time to speak! And give time to
share the precious thoughts in your mind.”

 

[Tuur]

Reactions to vaccines typically occur within hours of days from administration. Given that we're 4 years down the road from one of the largest vaccine rollouts in human history, with literally billions of people vaccinated, we would know by now if there was a problem.

You can go and get one - you'll be safe.

First, some have had problems with it, ranging from mild to severe. Remember the problem with one of the vaccines and clotting? It led to it being pulled. Another was essentially paused. But don't take my word for it:

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clots

There are other known side effects as well. Not everyone experiences them. I'm one of those who only has a little soreness at the injection site. My wife runs a low-grade fever and feels fatigued. Some women in my family suffered issues with their cycle to the point they'll never take it again. That happens. Pretending that side effects don't exist is like pretending every COVID-19 vaccine is a "clot shot."

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

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No i have a problem with using Biblical accounts about the first advent of Jesus to say Jesus supports vaccines. which was never the purpose of this account. Biblical accounts do not change over the years to line up with science.

I recognize that vaccination has become a controversial topic in the post-COVID world. Therefore, let us set aside discussion of vaccines and concentrate on scientific achievements that benefit humanity.

Would you have any reservations about suggesting that Jesus might support scientific achievements—such as advances in medicine or the provision of clean water—that save lives and alleviate human suffering?