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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

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This simply demonstrates your inability to understand the Prophetic Word.
Apart from the scriptures I have already presented, Haggai 2:8 The splendour of this latter House will surpass that of the former.
If you read the whole 2 pages of Haggai, he was referring to Zerubbabel's temple and the much more "glorious" Herod's temple. That's history and anyone who can read can see that. It's why God said it would be in a little while.

520 BCThe Word of the LORD by HaggaiHaggai 1, 2
520 BCThe Word of the LORD to ZechariahZechariah 1 - 14
520 BCTemple Work Resumed by Darius' DecreeEzra 6
515 BCCompletion and Dedication of the TempleEzra 6:16
That assertion is wrong. Neither Peter or Jesus said that there will never be another physical Temple.
It was said over and over again starting in the old covenant. Here are just a few of the many.
Isaiah 66:1-2
This is what the LORD says: “Heaven is My throne, and earth is My footstool. What kind of house will you build for Me? Or where will My place of repose be? / Has not My hand made all these things? And so they came into being,” declares the LORD. “This is the one I will esteem: he who is humble and contrite in spirit, who trembles at My word.
1 Kings 8:27
But will God indeed dwell upon the earth? The heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain You, much less this temple I have built.
Matthew 5:34-35
But I tell you not to swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; / or by the earth, for it is His footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
Acts 17:24
The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands.
 
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So the "new temple" is nothing to do with worship but is for keeping dry in?
You castigate me for commenting on your understandings. But this sort of silly comment is at another level of foolishness.
Daniel 9:27 & 11:31, Thess 2:4, absolutely prove there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem
These 3 scriptures tell of actions which must happen in a Temple.
They have not happened as described in the past, therefore there has to be a new Temple in Jerusalem before Jesus Returns.
Rejection of them, is a direct denial of plainly stated scripture.

Ezekiel 43:1-9 I went to the East gate and there I saw the glory of the Lord coming with the sound of a mighty torrent. The earth shone with His glory, it came in and filled the Temple, the place of His throne where He will dwell among the Israelites forever. Neither they nor their rulers will defy the Lord again by their idolatry and sins. Israelites; every faithful Christian. Galatians 3:26-29

Ezekiel 43:10-11 Ezekiel, tell them about the Temple and let them be ashamed for their sins. If they repent and are remorseful for what they have done, then describe to them the new Temple, to be built on the Holy mountain. Make detailed plans for them to follow and carry out, with all the instructions for its operation.

Ezekiel 46:1-3The East gate is to be kept closed during the six days of the working week, to be opened only on Sabbaths and at the new moon. When the ruler, [The prince in the NIV & KJV] comes in, he is to stand by the East gatepost, while the priests sacrifice his offerings. He is to bow down in worship and then to leave. The people must also bow in worship at that gate. Malachi 1:5

Ezekiel, the prophet, lived during the period between the exile of the Northern tribes and the Jewish captivity. His prophecies about the Land and the Temple have not yet happened, as when the Jewish remnant returned under Nehemiah, that Temple did not receive the Shekinah Glory. All of Ezekiel chapters 40 – 48, await fulfilment and note that this must be before the Return of Jesus, as the ‘ruler’ of all of Gods Christian peoples, makes sacrifices and worships the Lord at the New Temple. Jeremiah 30:21, Zechariah 14:21
 
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If you read the whole 2 pages of Haggai, he was referring to Zerubbabel's temple and the much more "glorious" Herod's temple. That's history and anyone who can read can see that. It's why God said it would be in a little while.
Haggai is fulfilled, you think?
Explain then when did the Lord shake the earth and the nations? Haggai 2:6 When did He overthrow kings and armies? Haggai 2:22
A little while, to God is a thousand years for us.
The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands.
Scripture says He will live in the Lords House; a Temple. Zechariah 14:20-21, Isaiah 2:2
On earth, during the Millennium. But not in Eternity; Revelation 21:22
 
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You castigate me for commenting on your understandings. But this sort of silly comment is at another level of foolishness.
I was repeating your own words and wondering if you meant them - hence the question mark at the end of my sentence.
Christians, the new inhabitants of all the Holy Land, Ezekiel 34:11-16, do need a building to keep dry in when it rains.
Maybe you didn't read what you wrote.
 
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Maybe you didn't read what you wrote.
I am not that clever!
Of course, we need a building to gather into and worship God in. It needs to be weatherproof'
As Gods Holy peoples in the Holy Land, we Christians will build a new Temple as our first priority. Micah 7:11-12

Is it possible for you to admit that before the sacrifices and offerings can be stopped, Daniel 9:27 & 11:31; first; they must be started.
Ezekiel 40 to 46 and many other Prophesies, tell us that men from far away will come to build the Temple. Zechariah 6:15, Isaiah 11:11-12

So too; will foreigners who give their allegiance to Me, to minister to Me and who lave My Name and become My servants.....these people I shall gather to My Holy Mountain and give them joy in My House of prayer.
Their offerings and sacrifices will be acceptable on My Altar
......;..Isaiah 56:6-7

Revelation 14:1-3 is informative.-
Jesus will stand on Mt Zion, [the Temple Mount, in Jerusalem] the 144k will hear sounds from heaven and will sing a new song before the Throne. On earth, in a Temple. Hardly could be just on bare ground. Rev 7:9, also mentions the Throne on earth.

There HAS to be a fully functional new Temple, in the last days - to deny it is to deny Gods Words.
 
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Haggai is fulfilled, you think?
Explain then when did the Lord shake the earth and the nations? Haggai 2:6 When did He overthrow kings and armies? Haggai 2:22
A little while, to God is a thousand years for us.
Saying that does absolutely nothing to change His words of truth no matter how much you dislike them. Did He ever give you the authority to erase and replace His words? Look how God rebuked the Jews for doing the same thing.

Ezekiel 12:26Furthermore, the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 27“Son of man, take note that the house of Israel is saying, ‘The vision that he sees is for many years from now; he prophesies about the distant future.’ (This regards the vision of Chapter 7, just a few years before Nebuchadnezzar destroys Solomons temple)
28Therefore tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘None of My words will be delayed any longer. The message I speak will be fulfilled, declares the Lord GOD.’”

--Was the following true or not to those who received the letter?
Hebrews 10:
35So do not throw away your confidence; it holds a great reward. 36You need to persevere, so that after you have done the will of God, you will receive what He has promised.
37For,
“In just a little while,
He who is coming will come and will not delay.


--Why would God tell Zerubbabel the following if it wasn't true?
Haggai 2:21-22
Tell Zerubbabel governor of Judah that I am about to shake the heavens and the earth: / I will overturn royal thrones and destroy the power of the kingdoms of the nations. I will overturn chariots and their riders; horses and their riders will fall, each by the sword of his brother.

--Now I believe v26 is referring back to Moses on Mt Sanai because only the earth was shaken.
Hebrews 12:
26At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.” 27This phrase, “Yet once more,” indicates the removal of things that are shaken—that is, things that have been made—in order that the things that cannot be shaken may remain. 28Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe, 29for our God is a consuming fire.

Scripture says He will live in the Lords House; a Temple. Zechariah 14:20-21, Isaiah 2:2
On earth, during the Millennium. But not in Eternity; Revelation 21:22
1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?

Didn't you notice that God and the Lamb are the temple of this spiritual house. Why is the New Jerusalem called the Bride, the wife of the Lamb?

1 Peter 2:5you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Here in part is the vision of the Spiritual House:
Revelation 21: 19The foundations of the city walls were adorned with every kind of precious stone:
The first foundation was jasper,
the second sapphire,
the third chalcedony,
the fourth emerald,
20the fifth sardonyx,
the sixth carnelian,
the seventh chrysolite,
the eighth beryl,
the ninth topaz,
the tenth chrysoprase,
the eleventh jacinth,
and the twelfth amethyst.

Ephesians 2:19-22
Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, / built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. / In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord. ...
 
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Saying that does absolutely nothing to change His words of truth no matter how much you dislike them. Did He ever give you the authority to erase and replace His words?
This is a rude and untrue accusation. You are guilty of making a false accusation against your brethren. James 4:11-12
Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?
I do know that. It has been the situation for the Christian peoples since Jesus came.
It does not mean there can never be another Temple. As is Prophesied in many scriptures. Which you fail to address.
 
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This is a rude and untrue accusation. You are guilty of making a false accusation against your brethren. James 4:11-12
"A little while, to God is a thousand years for us" You did it right here erasing a "little while" and replacing it with a "thousand years." Not only that, you misquote the very verse you used to replace a "little while". If what you said was a true statement, then it would apply to every time it's used.
Let's just do what you said and replace a "little while" with a thousand years and see if you're right.
John 16:16-22
In a little while(a thousand years) you will see Me no more, and then after a little while(a thousand years) you will see Me.”

A little while means a little while in the context that it's stated.

May I suggest paying more attention to the verses you're trying to quote:
2 Peter 3:8
Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
There's only one place in scripture stated to be a thousand years with Christ and that's Rev 20 and the only place that it can apply, and the only place futurists don't apply it---kind of ironic.
I do know that. It has been the situation for the Christian peoples since Jesus came.
It does not mean there can never be another Temple. As is Prophesied in many scriptures. Which you fail to address.
Yes I did address it by showing verses where God said He does not live in Houses made with hands and pointing out that His size makes it impossible. The old covenant Houses of God were called a "house for my name". https://biblehub.com/search.php?q="a+house+for+my+name"
Here it's prophesied Jesus will build Him "a" House "singular."
Moreover, I declare to you that the LORD will build a house for you. 11And when your days are fulfilled and you go to be with your fathers, I will raise up your descendant after you, one of your own sons, and I will establish his kingdom. 12He will build a house for Me, and I will establish his throne forever. 13I will be his Father, and he will be My son. And I will never remove My loving devotion from him as I removed it from your predecessor. 14But I will set him over My house and My kingdom forever, and his throne will be established forever.”
The term "raise up" points to His resurrection and ascendency to David's throne at the right hand of God.
Fulfilled in Acts 2:29-35
All of the verses you've shown have either referred to the 2nd temples as in Thessalonians and Revelation. Otherwise show in the new testament where it says something indicating clearly there would come another temple in the distant future when the law would again be established. .
 
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John 16:16-22
In a little while(a thousand years) you will see Me no more, and then after a little while(a thousand years) you will see Me.”

A little while means a little while in the context that it's stated.
Is it not obvious to you, that Jesus Prophesied the 2000 year Church Age? John 16:11. Paralleled by Hosea 6:2 and Luke 13:32
All of the verses you've shown have either referred to the 2nd temples as in Thessalonians and Revelation
Not many would agree with this assumption, as it is a blatant mis-interpretation of scripture. 2 Thess 2:4, clearly happens just prior the Jesus Return.
 
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Is it not obvious to you, that Jesus Prophesied the 2000 year Church Age? John 16:11. Paralleled by Hosea 6:2 and Luke 13:32
It's not obvious to anyone but you.
Underline where it says 2,000 years or where the bible ever told anyone to replace a day with a thousand years.. There is no end to the church age anywhere found in scripture. what it does say is that the church age lasts forever.
Ephesians 3:21to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.
Isaiah 9:6-7

Not many would agree with this assumption, as it is a blatant mis-interpretation of scripture. 2 Thess 2:4, clearly happens just prior the Jesus Return.
It clearly does happen just prior to Christ's return, and it's just as clear second temple was still standing there. Since God does nothing unless He first reveals His secrets to His prophets, explain why Paul told the Thessalonians all about the man of sin and who and what was restraining him, but didn't tell us? Why would they need to know and not us?
 
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It's not obvious to anyone but you.
Sorry: Typo,- I meant John 16:16 In a little while, you will see Me no more, again: a little while, then you will see Me.
This Prophecy is understood by many, with the benefit of hindsight; to refer to the Church age.
the church age lasts forever.
The Church age finishes when the Anti-Christ desecrates the Temple and takes world control for 3 1/2 years. After that, Jesus will Return and commence the Kingdom of Jesus age of a thousand years. Then Eternity comes, Gods Kingdom, to last forever. Revelation 21:1-5
It clearly does happen just prior to Christ's return, and it's just as clear second temple was still standing there.
The second Temple was destroyed in 70AD.
Jesus will Return into a new Temple, one of greater splendour than Soloman's or Herod's Temple. Haggai 2:9
Why would they need to know and not us?
We have been told plenty about the 'beast' and his mark; Revelation 13, +
 
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