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Admittedly, I haven't read the whole thread but I am distracted by the requiring of sacrifices. You have quoted strictly old testament law and we know that Jesus fulfilled the law and was the ultimate sacrifice.

So, how have you come to the conclusion that sacrifices will be resumed without referring to the old testament?
The physical sacrifices have ceased. Christ’s sacrifice removes our sins,
if we repent. The Levitical priesthood was removed and replaced by
the Melchizedek priesthood.

God uses physical sacrifices in prophecy about His Church, it applies spiritually.
Isaiah 56 and other end time books uses physical sacrifices to prophesy about
an end-time spiritual condition. Ezekiel’s temple is called a house of prayer.

“For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my
name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall
be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great
among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts” (Malachi 1:11).

Incense is a type of our prayers (Revelation 8:3-4). Here God is saying
prayers should be offered to God in every place—all over the world.

"By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually,
that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name." Hebrews 13:15

"And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving,
And declare his works with rejoicing." Psalm 107:22

You are a spiritual sacrifice for God today—(Romans 12:1).
He is deeply concerned about you as a sacrifice and what you give Him.
 
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The physical sacrifices have ceased. Christ’s sacrifice removes our sins,
if we repent. The Levitical priesthood was removed and replaced by
the Melchizedek priesthood.

God uses physical sacrifices in prophecy about His Church, it applies spiritually.
Isaiah 56 and other end time books uses physical sacrifices to prophesy about
an end-time spiritual condition. Ezekiel’s temple is called a house of prayer.

“For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my
name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall
be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great
among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts” (Malachi 1:11).

Incense is a type of our prayers (Revelation 8:3-4). Here God is saying
prayers should be offered to God in every place—all over the world.

"By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually,
that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name." Hebrews 13:15

"And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving,
And declare his works with rejoicing." Psalm 107:22

You are a spiritual sacrifice for God today—(Romans 12:1).
He is deeply concerned about you as a sacrifice and what you give Him.
Yes, I agree with spiritual sacrifices but the OP suggests that physical sacrifices will resume unless I have read that wrong.
 
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The animal sacrifices are among the commandments of God; During the millennial period, Gods peoples will be keeping the commandments of God. Therefore, there will be animal sacrifices in the millennial kingdom.
In my view, during the Millennial kingdom they will make atonement sacrifices as commanded by Moses. You argue that atonement sacrifices are not necessary anymore, which is a problem for my view, in many peoples opinion.

To that, I made two arguments. First, as Paul said, it was never possible for atonement sacrifices to take away sins. It wasn't possible then, and so it won't be possible in the future. Therefore, any future atonement sacrifices will not be insulting to the cross or Jesus Christ. Second, while the original purpose of the atonement sacrifices was reconciliation with God, the atonement sacrifices will serve a different purpose in the millennial kingdom.
I do believe that the atonement sacrifices will be offered for atonement. In order to understand this, we need to abandon our erroneous view of the sacrifices. Christians tend to think of the sacrifices in economic terms, which is foreign to Moses. According to the penal-substitution theory of the atonement, if one commits a sin, which is understood as a debt to divine justice, one owes God a lamb, a goat, or a bull until the debt is paid. This model, this interpretation of the sacrifices is not Biblical.

What is the actual purpose of the atonement sacrifice? If one were to offer God a lamb as payment for sins, then it would no longer be called "a sacrifice." When we pay our electric bill, for instance, we are not making an offering to the power company; we are providing money to the power company in exchange for the delivery of electricity. The sacrifice of a lamb is an offering to God to signify contrition and to appeal for reconciliation, not a financial compensation. The Lord, through Moses, gave those living under the original covenant the means whereby the penitent might give expression to righteous sentiments.

The atonement sacrifice was offered to give outward expression to a (supposed) inward attitude toward the situation. The atonement sacrifice speaks to the issue of sin, in a visible way, agreeing with God's opinion of the situation. If a man wants to seek reconciliation with God, he must act as if he agrees with God's opinion on the matter. God doesn't need sacrifices, sometimes he doesn't want then, and he says he hates them. But he is willing to offer reconciliation to a man (or woman) who make an offering in genuine and sincere contrition.

The Lord didn't institute the sacrifices for his own sake, he instituted them for the sake of his people. His people need and want a means to give expression to righteous sentiment. A man doesn't need to offer a lamb to find reconciliation with God; but the man offers the lamb in order to give heart-felt expression to his opinion concerning his sin. He tells God, "I agree with you Lord. What I did was wrong, evil, and deserves your wrath. Please accept my apology and restore me to your favor."

Even Christians, who already know that reconciliation with God came through the blood of Christ, get on their knees and pray for forgiveness when they sin. Some Christians seek a tangible way to give expression to their heart-felt contrition, perhaps confessing sins to a priest, or perhaps giving to charity, or what-have-you. The point is, those who are weak in faith both need and want ritualistic forms of heart-felt attitudes toward God. Mankind invented religion for that purpose. The Lord, through Moses, gave his people certain religious forms, done properly, so that his people might have a tangible way to express righteous sentiments.

The essential and highest purpose of the Millennial kingdom is to bring about the sanctification of God's name on earth. In order to understand the form of that period, we must first understand the problem.

To begin, let's review Paul's argument in Romans chapter 2, where he brings the Jews under condemnation of sin. In chapter one, he brings the entire world under sin, but Paul knows the opinion of his fellow Jews, especially those who teach the people. Such men wrongly believe that teaching the Bible is impressive to God and worthy of his favor. Paul will argue against that perspective, that teaching the Bible does not give anyone special favor with God.
But, without explaining the entire chapter I want to focus on this section, particularly the last verse.

Romans 2:17-24
But if you bear the name “Jew” and rely upon the Law and boast in God, and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law, and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth, you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal? You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.
How was God's name blasphemed among the Gentiles? Paul asserts that one can find this doctrine in the prophets somewhere. Here are two -examples. -
Ezekiel 36:20-38
Ezekiel briefly recounts Israel's history and why her exile is the basis for Gentile blaspheme. And to this end, I want to focus on the first half of that argument here.

Ezekiel 36:16-21
Then the word of the Lord came to me saying, “Son of man, when the house of Israel was living in their own land, they defiled it by their ways and their deeds; their way before Me was like the uncleanness of a woman in her impurity. Therefore I poured out My wrath on them for the blood which they had shed on the land, because they had defiled it with their idols. Also I scattered them among the nations and they were dispersed throughout the lands. According to their ways and their deeds I judged them. When they came to the nations where they went, they profaned My holy name, because it was said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord; yet they have come out of His land.’ But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations where they went.
From the Lord's point of view, he exiled his people for the cause of disobedience and especially for idolatry. He scattered his people among the nations on purpose. But from the Gentile's point of view, God was weak and ineffective as a leader and unable to keep a people for himself. Other Gods conquered Yahweh, defeated him and took his people away from him. As they say, "These are the people of the Lord; yet they have come out of His land."

The ancient peoples did not believe in a monotheistic, single God. They were polytheists, believing that many gods exist and that the gods fight with each other for supremacy. The victor was known as "god almighty." According to the ancients, the god who ruled supreme was "god almighty," the god who ruled over all the others.
But no one god ruled the entire world. Each god had his own area of influence; each god had his own land. The first god may fight with a second god and take the people of the second god has spoil. From this perspective, the ancient peoples concluded that Yahweh, who had control over "his land", defeated the gods of Egypt and took a people for himself and brought them to his land. But later, another god defeated Yahweh and took them away from his land to other lands. In the mind of the Gentiles, this was proof that Yahweh was not god almighty. He can be defeated.

The Lord tells Ezekiel that he allowed his people to be taken. It wasn't that another, stronger god defeated Yahweh and took his people away. He allowed the other nations to take his people away because they defiled his land. He sent them into exile because of disobedience and idolatry.

But the nations where they went understood history quite differently. They believed that another, stronger god defeated Yahweh, who was not able to keep a people, not able to protect a people, not able to teach a people, not able to provide a place where people can live peacefully in service to Yahweh.
While this was NOT true, this blaspheme was always left unchallenged. This lie persists because God has not yet proven otherwise. And this lie will remain unchallenged until God proves himself. It isn't enough to destroy the earth with a big whoosh and bring about the NHNE, because the lie must be proved in history while this world still exists.

Jesus taught his disciples to pray "Our father, make your name holy . . ." As Christians, We await the day when Yahweh proves himself among the nations. And he will offer proof while history is running its course.

The Lord tells Ezekiel that he intends to prove himself among the nations, demonstrating the truth and giving evidence, by experience, that Yahweh is truly God Almighty. In order to prove himself among the nations, he will bring his people back from exile, circumcise their hearts, have them keep and obey his commandments, and protect them from their enemies. And that last part is very important. In order to sanctify his name, vindicate himself from the charge that he is weak and ineffective against the other gods, he will bring the chief of all the so-called gods, Satan, against his people one last time, and this time Yahweh will defeat him.

Since disobedience of his commandments was one of two reasons why God allowed his people to be taken, then obedience of his commandments will mark the time when God is proving himself among the nations. Not only will his people keep all of his commandments, they will do so willingly because he has circumcised their hearts.
 
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The animal sacrifices are among the commandments of God; During the millennial period, Gods peoples will be keeping the commandments of God. Therefore, there will be animal sacrifices in the millennial kingdom.
In my view, during the Millennial kingdom they will make atonement sacrifices as commanded by Moses. You argue that atonement sacrifices are not necessary anymore, which is a problem for my view, in many peoples opinion.

To that, I made two arguments. First, as Paul said, it was never possible for atonement sacrifices to take away sins. It wasn't possible then, and so it won't be possible in the future. Therefore, any future atonement sacrifices will not be insulting to the cross or Jesus Christ. Second, while the original purpose of the atonement sacrifices was reconciliation with God, the atonement sacrifices will serve a different purpose in the millennial kingdom.
I do believe that the atonement sacrifices will be offered for atonement. In order to understand this, we need to abandon our erroneous view of the sacrifices. Christians tend to think of the sacrifices in economic terms, which is foreign to Moses. According to the penal-substitution theory of the atonement, if one commits a sin, which is understood as a debt to divine justice, one owes God a lamb, a goat, or a bull until the debt is paid. This model, this interpretation of the sacrifices is not Biblical.

What is the actual purpose of the atonement sacrifice? If one were to offer God a lamb as payment for sins, then it would no longer be called "a sacrifice." When we pay our electric bill, for instance, we are not making an offering to the power company; we are providing money to the power company in exchange for the delivery of electricity. The sacrifice of a lamb is an offering to God to signify contrition and to appeal for reconciliation, not a financial compensation. The Lord, through Moses, gave those living under the original covenant the means whereby the penitent might give expression to righteous sentiments.

The atonement sacrifice was offered to give outward expression to a (supposed) inward attitude toward the situation. The atonement sacrifice speaks to the issue of sin, in a visible way, agreeing with God's opinion of the situation. If a man wants to seek reconciliation with God, he must act as if he agrees with God's opinion on the matter. God doesn't need sacrifices, sometimes he doesn't want then, and he says he hates them. But he is willing to offer reconciliation to a man (or woman) who make an offering in genuine and sincere contrition.

The Lord didn't institute the sacrifices for his own sake, he instituted them for the sake of his people. His people need and want a means to give expression to righteous sentiment. A man doesn't need to offer a lamb to find reconciliation with God; but the man offers the lamb in order to give heart-felt expression to his opinion concerning his sin. He tells God, "I agree with you Lord. What I did was wrong, evil, and deserves your wrath. Please accept my apology and restore me to your favor."

Even Christians, who already know that reconciliation with God came through the blood of Christ, get on their knees and pray for forgiveness when they sin. Some Christians seek a tangible way to give expression to their heart-felt contrition, perhaps confessing sins to a priest, or perhaps giving to charity, or what-have-you. The point is, those who are weak in faith both need and want ritualistic forms of heart-felt attitudes toward God. Mankind invented religion for that purpose. The Lord, through Moses, gave his people certain religious forms, done properly, so that his people might have a tangible way to express righteous sentiments.

The essential and highest purpose of the Millennial kingdom is to bring about the sanctification of God's name on earth. In order to understand the form of that period, we must first understand the problem.

To begin, let's review Paul's argument in Romans chapter 2, where he brings the Jews under condemnation of sin. In chapter one, he brings the entire world under sin, but Paul knows the opinion of his fellow Jews, especially those who teach the people. Such men wrongly believe that teaching the Bible is impressive to God and worthy of his favor. Paul will argue against that perspective, that teaching the Bible does not give anyone special favor with God.
But, without explaining the entire chapter I want to focus on this section, particularly the last verse.

Romans 2:17-24
But if you bear the name “Jew” and rely upon the Law and boast in God, and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law, and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth, you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal? You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.
How was God's name blasphemed among the Gentiles? Paul asserts that one can find this doctrine in the prophets somewhere. Here are two -examples. -
Ezekiel 36:20-38
Ezekiel briefly recounts Israel's history and why her exile is the basis for Gentile blaspheme. And to this end, I want to focus on the first half of that argument here.

Ezekiel 36:16-21
Then the word of the Lord came to me saying, “Son of man, when the house of Israel was living in their own land, they defiled it by their ways and their deeds; their way before Me was like the uncleanness of a woman in her impurity. Therefore I poured out My wrath on them for the blood which they had shed on the land, because they had defiled it with their idols. Also I scattered them among the nations and they were dispersed throughout the lands. According to their ways and their deeds I judged them. When they came to the nations where they went, they profaned My holy name, because it was said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord; yet they have come out of His land.’ But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations where they went.
From the Lord's point of view, he exiled his people for the cause of disobedience and especially for idolatry. He scattered his people among the nations on purpose. But from the Gentile's point of view, God was weak and ineffective as a leader and unable to keep a people for himself. Other Gods conquered Yahweh, defeated him and took his people away from him. As they say, "These are the people of the Lord; yet they have come out of His land."

The ancient peoples did not believe in a monotheistic, single God. They were polytheists, believing that many gods exist and that the gods fight with each other for supremacy. The victor was known as "god almighty." According to the ancients, the god who ruled supreme was "god almighty," the god who ruled over all the others.
But no one god ruled the entire world. Each god had his own area of influence; each god had his own land. The first god may fight with a second god and take the people of the second god has spoil. From this perspective, the ancient peoples concluded that Yahweh, who had control over "his land", defeated the gods of Egypt and took a people for himself and brought them to his land. But later, another god defeated Yahweh and took them away from his land to other lands. In the mind of the Gentiles, this was proof that Yahweh was not god almighty. He can be defeated.

The Lord tells Ezekiel that he allowed his people to be taken. It wasn't that another, stronger god defeated Yahweh and took his people away. He allowed the other nations to take his people away because they defiled his land. He sent them into exile because of disobedience and idolatry.

But the nations where they went understood history quite differently. They believed that another, stronger god defeated Yahweh, who was not able to keep a people, not able to protect a people, not able to teach a people, not able to provide a place where people can live peacefully in service to Yahweh.
While this was NOT true, this blaspheme was always left unchallenged. This lie persists because God has not yet proven otherwise. And this lie will remain unchallenged until God proves himself. It isn't enough to destroy the earth with a big whoosh and bring about the NHNE, because the lie must be proved in history while this world still exists.

Jesus taught his disciples to pray "Our father, make your name holy . . ." As Christians, We await the day when Yahweh proves himself among the nations. And he will offer proof while history is running its course.

The Lord tells Ezekiel that he intends to prove himself among the nations, demonstrating the truth and giving evidence, by experience, that Yahweh is truly God Almighty. In order to prove himself among the nations, he will bring his people back from exile, circumcise their hearts, have them keep and obey his commandments, and protect them from their enemies. And that last part is very important. In order to sanctify his name, vindicate himself from the charge that he is weak and ineffective against the other gods, he will bring the chief of all the so-called gods, Satan, against his people one last time, and this time Yahweh will defeat him.

Since disobedience of his commandments was one of two reasons why God allowed his people to be taken, then obedience of his commandments will mark the time when God is proving himself among the nations. Not only will his people keep all of his commandments, they will do so willingly because he has circumcised their hearts.
Thanks for responding.

Consider this: What does Hebrews 9:1 mean? | BibleRef.com because I believe you to be in error.

God bless.
 
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I have yet to see a 'fully and legitimate refutation' of any of those 12 wrong beliefs. I gave the scriptures which prove them wrong.
Point being your entire dissections are always and nearly entirely void of the enemies of all mankind and are therefore less than half truths or no truths at all.
Far from 'doom and gloom' teaching from me, in all my articles on Bible prophecy, [about 800] I always end with how God Promises good for everyone who loves Him and keep His Commandments.
For whom? Some little handful of people who agree with your particular slants?

You call that "victory?"
This is a ridiculous and unfair accusation.
Of course the Devil and all his minions, get destroyed in the end.
Then why are they missing from your claims?

All have sin. Romans 3:9
Sin is "of the devil," Matt. 4:15, 1 John 3:8

There is no need for the end time guesswork you engage in. I realize you (like I) may have spent an inordinate amount of time going down the various pitfalls of scripture regarding end time.

But the very simple reality of the end time narrative is easy enough for any believer to understand and to SHARE with ALL people:

The end of the devil and his messengers IN MANKIND.

The REVEALING of CHRIST in mankind.

This stingy little heaven that deceived positions share is actually pathetic.

God is far far better than all of that. I know you don't believe the below, but I'll share it with you anyway, knowing full well WHO resists the Gospel, not you.

1 John 4:7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

Unseen, but so obvious
 
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Thanks for responding.

Consider this: What does Hebrews 9:1 mean? | BibleRef.com because I believe you to be in error.

God bless.
But many scriptures do not support the idea of sacrifices and offerings being just symbolic and never required again.
Ezekiel 40-46 describes the operation of the new Temple before Jesus Returns and Zechariah 14:16-21, +, for when King Jesus is ruling the world.

Remember: God does not change. He wanted animal sacrifices before and He will again. Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 20:40-41
You cannot just dismiss these clearly stated Prophesies. Jesus did make atonement for our sins, but there are other reasons for making offerings to God.
 
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The animal sacrifices are among the commandments of God; During the millennial period, Gods peoples will be keeping the commandments of God. Therefore, there will be animal sacrifices in the millennial kingdom.
In my view, during the Millennial kingdom they will make atonement sacrifices as commanded by Moses. You argue that atonement sacrifices are not necessary anymore, which is a problem for my view, in many peoples opinion.

To that, I made two arguments. First, as Paul said, it was never possible for atonement sacrifices to take away sins. It wasn't possible then, and so it won't be possible in the future. Therefore, any future atonement sacrifices will not be insulting to the cross or Jesus Christ. Second, while the original purpose of the atonement sacrifices was reconciliation with God, the atonement sacrifices will serve a different purpose in the millennial kingdom.
I do believe that the atonement sacrifices will be offered for atonement. In order to understand this, we need to abandon our erroneous view of the sacrifices. Christians tend to think of the sacrifices in economic terms, which is foreign to Moses. According to the penal-substitution theory of the atonement, if one commits a sin, which is understood as a debt to divine justice, one owes God a lamb, a goat, or a bull until the debt is paid. This model, this interpretation of the sacrifices is not Biblical.

What is the actual purpose of the atonement sacrifice? If one were to offer God a lamb as payment for sins, then it would no longer be called "a sacrifice." When we pay our electric bill, for instance, we are not making an offering to the power company; we are providing money to the power company in exchange for the delivery of electricity. The sacrifice of a lamb is an offering to God to signify contrition and to appeal for reconciliation, not a financial compensation. The Lord, through Moses, gave those living under the original covenant the means whereby the penitent might give expression to righteous sentiments.

The atonement sacrifice was offered to give outward expression to a (supposed) inward attitude toward the situation. The atonement sacrifice speaks to the issue of sin, in a visible way, agreeing with God's opinion of the situation. If a man wants to seek reconciliation with God, he must act as if he agrees with God's opinion on the matter. God doesn't need sacrifices, sometimes he doesn't want then, and he says he hates them. But he is willing to offer reconciliation to a man (or woman) who make an offering in genuine and sincere contrition.

The Lord didn't institute the sacrifices for his own sake, he instituted them for the sake of his people. His people need and want a means to give expression to righteous sentiment. A man doesn't need to offer a lamb to find reconciliation with God; but the man offers the lamb in order to give heart-felt expression to his opinion concerning his sin. He tells God, "I agree with you Lord. What I did was wrong, evil, and deserves your wrath. Please accept my apology and restore me to your favor."

Even Christians, who already know that reconciliation with God came through the blood of Christ, get on their knees and pray for forgiveness when they sin. Some Christians seek a tangible way to give expression to their heart-felt contrition, perhaps confessing sins to a priest, or perhaps giving to charity, or what-have-you. The point is, those who are weak in faith both need and want ritualistic forms of heart-felt attitudes toward God. Mankind invented religion for that purpose. The Lord, through Moses, gave his people certain religious forms, done properly, so that his people might have a tangible way to express righteous sentiments.

The essential and highest purpose of the Millennial kingdom is to bring about the sanctification of God's name on earth. In order to understand the form of that period, we must first understand the problem.

To begin, let's review Paul's argument in Romans chapter 2, where he brings the Jews under condemnation of sin. In chapter one, he brings the entire world under sin, but Paul knows the opinion of his fellow Jews, especially those who teach the people. Such men wrongly believe that teaching the Bible is impressive to God and worthy of his favor. Paul will argue against that perspective, that teaching the Bible does not give anyone special favor with God.
But, without explaining the entire chapter I want to focus on this section, particularly the last verse.

Romans 2:17-24
But if you bear the name “Jew” and rely upon the Law and boast in God, and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law, and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth, you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal? You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.
How was God's name blasphemed among the Gentiles? Paul asserts that one can find this doctrine in the prophets somewhere. Here are two -examples. -
Ezekiel 36:20-38
Ezekiel briefly recounts Israel's history and why her exile is the basis for Gentile blaspheme. And to this end, I want to focus on the first half of that argument here.

Ezekiel 36:16-21
Then the word of the Lord came to me saying, “Son of man, when the house of Israel was living in their own land, they defiled it by their ways and their deeds; their way before Me was like the uncleanness of a woman in her impurity. Therefore I poured out My wrath on them for the blood which they had shed on the land, because they had defiled it with their idols. Also I scattered them among the nations and they were dispersed throughout the lands. According to their ways and their deeds I judged them. When they came to the nations where they went, they profaned My holy name, because it was said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord; yet they have come out of His land.’ But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations where they went.
From the Lord's point of view, he exiled his people for the cause of disobedience and especially for idolatry. He scattered his people among the nations on purpose. But from the Gentile's point of view, God was weak and ineffective as a leader and unable to keep a people for himself. Other Gods conquered Yahweh, defeated him and took his people away from him. As they say, "These are the people of the Lord; yet they have come out of His land."

The ancient peoples did not believe in a monotheistic, single God. They were polytheists, believing that many gods exist and that the gods fight with each other for supremacy. The victor was known as "god almighty." According to the ancients, the god who ruled supreme was "god almighty," the god who ruled over all the others.
But no one god ruled the entire world. Each god had his own area of influence; each god had his own land. The first god may fight with a second god and take the people of the second god has spoil. From this perspective, the ancient peoples concluded that Yahweh, who had control over "his land", defeated the gods of Egypt and took a people for himself and brought them to his land. But later, another god defeated Yahweh and took them away from his land to other lands. In the mind of the Gentiles, this was proof that Yahweh was not god almighty. He can be defeated.

The Lord tells Ezekiel that he allowed his people to be taken. It wasn't that another, stronger god defeated Yahweh and took his people away. He allowed the other nations to take his people away because they defiled his land. He sent them into exile because of disobedience and idolatry.

But the nations where they went understood history quite differently. They believed that another, stronger god defeated Yahweh, who was not able to keep a people, not able to protect a people, not able to teach a people, not able to provide a place where people can live peacefully in service to Yahweh.
While this was NOT true, this blaspheme was always left unchallenged. This lie persists because God has not yet proven otherwise. And this lie will remain unchallenged until God proves himself. It isn't enough to destroy the earth with a big whoosh and bring about the NHNE, because the lie must be proved in history while this world still exists.

Jesus taught his disciples to pray "Our father, make your name holy . . ." As Christians, We await the day when Yahweh proves himself among the nations. And he will offer proof while history is running its course.

The Lord tells Ezekiel that he intends to prove himself among the nations, demonstrating the truth and giving evidence, by experience, that Yahweh is truly God Almighty. In order to prove himself among the nations, he will bring his people back from exile, circumcise their hearts, have them keep and obey his commandments, and protect them from their enemies. And that last part is very important. In order to sanctify his name, vindicate himself from the charge that he is weak and ineffective against the other gods, he will bring the chief of all the so-called gods, Satan, against his people one last time, and this time Yahweh will defeat him.

Since disobedience of his commandments was one of two reasons why God allowed his people to be taken, then obedience of his commandments will mark the time when God is proving himself among the nations. Not only will his people keep all of his commandments, they will do so willingly because he has circumcised their hearts.
So do. you believe that in. the Millennial Kingdom there will be. be ANIMAL SACIFICES ?? And verse says that ??
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So do. you believe that in. the Millennial Kingdom there will be. be ANIMAL SACIFICES ?? And verse says that ??
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What I believe, is what the Bible tells us:
The Prophesies in Zechariah 14:16-21, Jeremiah 33:14-18, Ezekiel 20:4-41, +, prove that there will again be sacrifices and offerings in the new Temple.

This issue is another example of how people get fixated on a doctrine, without studying ALL the scriptures pertaining to that subject.
 
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But many scriptures do not support the idea of sacrifices and offerings being just symbolic and never required again.
Ezekiel 40-46 describes the operation of the new Temple before Jesus Returns and Zechariah 14:16-21, +, for when King Jesus is ruling the world.

Remember: God does not change. He wanted animal sacrifices before and He will again. Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 20:40-41
You cannot just dismiss these clearly stated Prophesies. Jesus did make atonement for our sins, but there are other reasons for making offerings to God.
Thank you for answwering so succintly. Too often, I feel overwhelmed with over explanation so I appreciate your brevity. I will ponder this and come back after reflection and research.

If you think anything will assist, beyond debate, then please share!

God bless.
 
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Thank you for answwering so succintly. Too often, I feel overwhelmed with over explanation so I appreciate your brevity. I will ponder this and come back after reflection and research.

If you think anything will assist, beyond debate, then please share!

God bless.
Nice; thanks.

What is needed for a full understanding of this and all the end times things, is a true picture of Gods Plans for His peoples, as they face trials and testing to prove their worth to go with Jesus into the Millennium.
I have many articles on the Temple, plus on the Prophesied end time events, free to read at: logostelos.info
 
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The animal sacrifices are among the commandments of God; During the millennial period, Gods peoples will be keeping the commandments of God. Therefore, there will be animal sacrifices in the millennial kingdom.
In my view, during the Millennial kingdom they will make atonement sacrifices as commanded by Moses. You argue that atonement sacrifices are not necessary anymore, which is a problem for my view, in many peoples opinion.

To that, I made two arguments. First, as Paul said, it was never possible for atonement sacrifices to take away sins. It wasn't possible then, and so it won't be possible in the future. Therefore, any future atonement sacrifices will not be insulting to the cross or Jesus Christ. Second, while the original purpose of the atonement sacrifices was reconciliation with God, the atonement sacrifices will serve a different purpose in the millennial kingdom.
I do believe that the atonement sacrifices will be offered for atonement. In order to understand this, we need to abandon our erroneous view of the sacrifices. Christians tend to think of the sacrifices in economic terms, which is foreign to Moses. According to the penal-substitution theory of the atonement, if one commits a sin, which is understood as a debt to divine justice, one owes God a lamb, a goat, or a bull until the debt is paid. This model, this interpretation of the sacrifices is not Biblical.

What is the actual purpose of the atonement sacrifice? If one were to offer God a lamb as payment for sins, then it would no longer be called "a sacrifice." When we pay our electric bill, for instance, we are not making an offering to the power company; we are providing money to the power company in exchange for the delivery of electricity. The sacrifice of a lamb is an offering to God to signify contrition and to appeal for reconciliation, not a financial compensation. The Lord, through Moses, gave those living under the original covenant the means whereby the penitent might give expression to righteous sentiments.

The atonement sacrifice was offered to give outward expression to a (supposed) inward attitude toward the situation. The atonement sacrifice speaks to the issue of sin, in a visible way, agreeing with God's opinion of the situation. If a man wants to seek reconciliation with God, he must act as if he agrees with God's opinion on the matter. God doesn't need sacrifices, sometimes he doesn't want then, and he says he hates them. But he is willing to offer reconciliation to a man (or woman) who make an offering in genuine and sincere contrition.

The Lord didn't institute the sacrifices for his own sake, he instituted them for the sake of his people. His people need and want a means to give expression to righteous sentiment. A man doesn't need to offer a lamb to find reconciliation with God; but the man offers the lamb in order to give heart-felt expression to his opinion concerning his sin. He tells God, "I agree with you Lord. What I did was wrong, evil, and deserves your wrath. Please accept my apology and restore me to your favor."

Even Christians, who already know that reconciliation with God came through the blood of Christ, get on their knees and pray for forgiveness when they sin. Some Christians seek a tangible way to give expression to their heart-felt contrition, perhaps confessing sins to a priest, or perhaps giving to charity, or what-have-you. The point is, those who are weak in faith both need and want ritualistic forms of heart-felt attitudes toward God. Mankind invented religion for that purpose. The Lord, through Moses, gave his people certain religious forms, done properly, so that his people might have a tangible way to express righteous sentiments.

The essential and highest purpose of the Millennial kingdom is to bring about the sanctification of God's name on earth. In order to understand the form of that period, we must first understand the problem.

To begin, let's review Paul's argument in Romans chapter 2, where he brings the Jews under condemnation of sin. In chapter one, he brings the entire world under sin, but Paul knows the opinion of his fellow Jews, especially those who teach the people. Such men wrongly believe that teaching the Bible is impressive to God and worthy of his favor. Paul will argue against that perspective, that teaching the Bible does not give anyone special favor with God.
But, without explaining the entire chapter I want to focus on this section, particularly the last verse.

Romans 2:17-24
But if you bear the name “Jew” and rely upon the Law and boast in God, and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law, and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth, you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal? You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.
How was God's name blasphemed among the Gentiles? Paul asserts that one can find this doctrine in the prophets somewhere. Here are two -examples. -
Ezekiel 36:20-38
Ezekiel briefly recounts Israel's history and why her exile is the basis for Gentile blaspheme. And to this end, I want to focus on the first half of that argument here.

Ezekiel 36:16-21
Then the word of the Lord came to me saying, “Son of man, when the house of Israel was living in their own land, they defiled it by their ways and their deeds; their way before Me was like the uncleanness of a woman in her impurity. Therefore I poured out My wrath on them for the blood which they had shed on the land, because they had defiled it with their idols. Also I scattered them among the nations and they were dispersed throughout the lands. According to their ways and their deeds I judged them. When they came to the nations where they went, they profaned My holy name, because it was said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord; yet they have come out of His land.’ But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations where they went.
From the Lord's point of view, he exiled his people for the cause of disobedience and especially for idolatry. He scattered his people among the nations on purpose. But from the Gentile's point of view, God was weak and ineffective as a leader and unable to keep a people for himself. Other Gods conquered Yahweh, defeated him and took his people away from him. As they say, "These are the people of the Lord; yet they have come out of His land."

The ancient peoples did not believe in a monotheistic, single God. They were polytheists, believing that many gods exist and that the gods fight with each other for supremacy. The victor was known as "god almighty." According to the ancients, the god who ruled supreme was "god almighty," the god who ruled over all the others.
But no one god ruled the entire world. Each god had his own area of influence; each god had his own land. The first god may fight with a second god and take the people of the second god has spoil. From this perspective, the ancient peoples concluded that Yahweh, who had control over "his land", defeated the gods of Egypt and took a people for himself and brought them to his land. But later, another god defeated Yahweh and took them away from his land to other lands. In the mind of the Gentiles, this was proof that Yahweh was not god almighty. He can be defeated.

The Lord tells Ezekiel that he allowed his people to be taken. It wasn't that another, stronger god defeated Yahweh and took his people away. He allowed the other nations to take his people away because they defiled his land. He sent them into exile because of disobedience and idolatry.

But the nations where they went understood history quite differently. They believed that another, stronger god defeated Yahweh, who was not able to keep a people, not able to protect a people, not able to teach a people, not able to provide a place where people can live peacefully in service to Yahweh.
While this was NOT true, this blaspheme was always left unchallenged. This lie persists because God has not yet proven otherwise. And this lie will remain unchallenged until God proves himself. It isn't enough to destroy the earth with a big whoosh and bring about the NHNE, because the lie must be proved in history while this world still exists.

Jesus taught his disciples to pray "Our father, make your name holy . . ." As Christians, We await the day when Yahweh proves himself among the nations. And he will offer proof while history is running its course.

The Lord tells Ezekiel that he intends to prove himself among the nations, demonstrating the truth and giving evidence, by experience, that Yahweh is truly God Almighty. In order to prove himself among the nations, he will bring his people back from exile, circumcise their hearts, have them keep and obey his commandments, and protect them from their enemies. And that last part is very important. In order to sanctify his name, vindicate himself from the charge that he is weak and ineffective against the other gods, he will bring the chief of all the so-called gods, Satan, against his people one last time, and this time Yahweh will defeat him.

Since disobedience of his commandments was one of two reasons why God allowed his people to be taken, then obedience of his commandments will mark the time when God is proving himself among the nations. Not only will his people keep all of his commandments, they will do so willingly because he has circumcised their hearts.
And number. one there is other will be any more atonement for SINS,

#1 THERE will be. be the Burnt offering

# 2 A SINNING OFFERING

# 3. The Trespass offering

# 4 The Peace Offering

#5 THE. Mealing gfferingb

# 6 The drink offering. and are all found in. Eze 40 :39 - Eze 45:17

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Prophecy is given in riddles (dark sayings, Nu 12:6-8), which are subject to more than one interpretation.
We should let the bible interpet the bible itself. Isa 28:10-Isa 28:13
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that
needeth not to be ashamed, [ rightly dividing the word of truth ]."

“Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make
to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk,
and drawn from the breasts” Isaiah 28:9 (Proverbs 1:7,Proverbs 3:5)

What is the beginning of wisdom? Psalm 111:10; Proverbs 9:10.
The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10
Jesus spoke many parables and prophecys. Matt 13:10-11, Matt 13:34

11And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable,
because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because [they thought that
the kingdom of God should immediately appear].

12He said therefore, A certain nobleman [Christ Himself] went into
a far country[heaven] to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
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6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him,
saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom
to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the
times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Jesus did not correct them, a physical kingdom coming to earth.
Christ will restore the Kingdom to Israel and sit on Davids throne.
King Davids throne is never mentioned being in heaven. We are to pray
"Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in/on earth, as it is in heaven.

King David will be king over all twelve nations of Israel.
(Jeremiah 30:9; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:24-25).
Each of the original twelve apostles will be king, under David,
over one of these nations in Jerusalem. (Matthew 19:28).
 
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It is incorrect that no one can go into heaven, for Paul did (2 Co 12:1-4).

1 It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast.
I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:

Paul had a vision from God; He did not physically go to heaven.
Paul did not know if [a man] was in the body or out of his body...

1 Timothy 6:16 (KJV) John 1:18, 1 John 4:12 , 1 John 4:20
who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man
can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see:
to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.

Mortal mankind would die by just Gods brightness of His glory,
only a man changed to a spirit being can see him in person.
No mortal man has been to the 3rd heaven except Jesus Christ,
who came down from heaven. King David is still dead and buried.

"As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness:
I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.

"If a man die, shall he live again? All the days of my
appointed time will I wait, Till my change come. Job 14:14

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear
what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear,
we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2
 
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In the apostolic teaching (1 Co 15:25, 28)
You missed verse 27
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things
are put under him,[it is manifest that he is excepted], which did put
all things under him.

Christ has not put everything under him yet, like in verses
Revelation 2:27, Revelation 12:5, Psalm 2:9, Revelation 20:3-8

After the 1000 year reign on this physical earth-

28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the
Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him,
that God may be all in all.
x

Matthew 25:31 (KJV)
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels
with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"

Do you believe the old testament?

"And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom
under the whole heaven[not in heaven], shall be given to the people
of the saints of the most High …” Daniel 7:24, 27

Daniel 7:18 (KJV)
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom,
and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Daniel 7:22 (KJV)
until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints
of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Daniel 7:27 (KJV)
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom
under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of
the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all
dominions shall serve and obey him.
 
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7/ Jesus is the one and only Sacrifice for our sins:
True, but God does not change, Malachi 3:6, and He will require thank offerings and sacrifices for inadvertent sins, in the Temple. Ezekiel 43:18 to 46:24, Zechariah 14:16-21, and Daniel 9:27 proves that Temple sacrifices will be made again.
His nature does not change. The way he works definitely does.
Moses was told to build the Tabernacle. Centuries later, Solomon was told to build the Temple and the Tabernacle was not used, or heard of, again.
People were told, and believed, that if they looked at God they would die. In Jesus, everyone looked at God, 1 John 1:1-3.

Jesus is the one and only sacrifice for sin and he has fulfilled the law and the prophets.
All the verses you have quoted to "prove" that animal sacrifices will return, are OT. We are told the kind of sacrifices that God wants; Romans 12:1; Hebrews 13:15.
 
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All the verses you have quoted to "prove" that animal sacrifices will return, are OT. We are told the kind of sacrifices that God wants; Romans 12:1; Hebrews 13:15.
Sure; we are not required to make sacrifices and offerings now, in this Church Age. There is no Temple, so it is impossible anyway.
But there Will be a new Temple in Jerusalem in the end times and there will be sacrifices and offerings made in it. As Prophesied in Ezekiel 40-46.

2 Thess 2:4 is proof of this and Daniel 9:27, Revelation 13:5-7, confirm it.
An understanding of what God requires of His people, is needed, to be His witnesses and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 56:1-8
 
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But there Will be a new Temple in Jerusalem in the end times and there will be sacrifices and offerings made in it. As Prophesied in Ezekiel 40-46.
Ezekiel may not be referring to the NEW Covenant.
2 Thess 2:4 is proof of this
2 Thessalonians 2:4 does not even mention sacrifices, never mind prove they will be made again.
Daniel 9:27, Revelation 13:5-7, confirm it.
Daniel 9:27 talks of putting an END to sacrifices- it does not confirm that they will be offered again in the new temple.
Revelation 13:5-7 does not mention sacrifices.
An understanding of what God requires of His people, is needed, to be His witnesses and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 56:1-8
What God requires of us is to believe in Jesus - this is his work and his will, John 6:29, John 6:40.
Jesus taught that we, his disciples, are to be salt and light to the word, Matthew 5:13-16. We are also to be his witnesses, Acts 1:8.
He said nothing about offering animal sacrifices in a 3rd temple - as they did in OT times.
 
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We should let the bible interpet the bible itself. Isa 28:10-Isa 28:13
Starting with the Biblical statement that prophecy is given in riddles (Nu 12:6-8), which are subject to more than one interpretation.
 
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1 It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast.
I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:

Paul had a vision from God; He did not physically go to heaven.
Paul did not know if [a man] was in the body or out of his body...
2 Co 12:2 matters not whether it was in his body/spirit or in his spirit only when he was "caught up to the third heaven."

Look up the meaning of "third heaven" in Israel.

I have no need to disbelieve Paul.
 
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