How does the idea that most of Gods creation he will have to burn forever bring glory to God?

[Clare73]

I understad that when you burn weeds, they don't burn forever, and that words don't die in hell and the fire never goes out. I don't see that the damned are tortured fore er in either of the Scxriptures you cited.

You get to decide what you think Jesus meant when he said
"with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out (is not quenched)" (Mk 9:44)

 

[Neogaia777]

Ok, so anyone can respond to this in regards to what I have previously been saying, but let's forget AI for a minute, and let's just try to use our logical brains about it for a minute, ok.

You know what someone is going to do, or decide, and it's absolutely 100% sure, and has been from the beginning, or for a very long time, and maybe you were even the original cause of it, etc. So, when that person decides, or takes that course, then how do or can you react, or what are your feelings about it?

And just to note, you must also note that everything has to be this way for a truly and fully always all-knowing God also, etc. So, how do you act or react about it, and how do you feel, or what are your feelings about it, etc? Can you even ever feel a certain way about it, etc?

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

Ok, so anyone can respond to this in regards to what I have previously been saying, but let's forget AI for a minute, and let's just try to use our logical brains about it for a minute, ok.

You know what someone is going to do, or decide, and it's absolutely 100% sure, and has been from the beginning, or for a very long time, and maybe you were even the original cause of it, etc. So, when that person decides, or takes that course, then how do or can you react, or what are your feelings about it?

And just to note, you must also note that everything has to be this way for a truly and fully always all-knowing God also, etc. So, how do you act or react about it, and how do you feel, or what are your feelings about it, etc? Can you even ever feel a certain way about it, etc?

God Bless.

And then, the next question you have to answer is, how then does that one show you his heart?

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

And then, the next question you have to answer is, how then does that one show you his heart?

God Bless.

And please also note that God cannot lie also, etc, so he cannot ever be faking it for our benefit, etc, and that none of the three are ever doing that, ok.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

And please also note also, that all decisions/actions/inactions/choices by anything or anybody have to already be/have been known always 100% for any all-knowing being to truly know absolutely everything also, etc. Which also means there never ever existed another way/possibility of the way anything can/could ever really happen or go also, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Clare73]

Ok, so anyone can respond to this in regards to what I have previously been saying, but let's forget AI for a minute, and let's just try to use our logical brains about it for a minute, ok.

You know what someone is going to do, or decide, and it's absolutely 100% sure, and has been from the beginning, or for a very long time, and maybe you were even the original cause of it, etc. So, when that person decides, or takes that course, then how do or can you react, or what are your feelings about it?
And just to note, you must also note that everything has to be this way for a truly and fully always all-knowing God also, etc. So, how do you act or react about it, and how do you feel, or what are your feelings about it, etc? Can you even ever feel a certain way about it, etc?

I trust God, his ways, his plans and his outcomes.

He's God, I'm not

 

[Neogaia777]

I trust God, his ways, his plans and his outcomes.

He's God, I'm not

God is knowable though etc, despite of what others might tell you, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Clare73]

God is knowable though etc, despite of what others might tell you, etc.

God Bless.

There's a lot about God we cannot grasp, starting with having no beginning.

 

[Neogaia777]

There's a lot about God we cannot grasp, starting with having no beginning.

I agree, but there is still a lot that we can grasp, but that might not been able to be fully revealed/known previously.

 

[Jipsah]

You get to decide what you think Jesus meant when he said
"with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out (is not quenched)" (Mk 9:44)

That means the fire will never go out. It does mean that anything/anyone will continue to exist in that fire.

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Yeah, I'm sure "destroy" Doesn't Really Mean "destroy", there, does it. That's the way the dipsey doodle works, innit?

 

[PatrickTate]

If creation is to bring about Gods glory, how does it bring God glory, if he knows that most of his creation he will have to burn forever, but he goes ahead and creates anyway knowing what the outcome will be. All the pain and suffering that people go through, wars, famine, slavery, human trafficking, and all the rest of this fallen world, and in the end, a small fraction of creation comes out good in the end, and people say that this if for Gods glory?
Now what if Jesus was really the savior of the cosmos as John 4:42 says and what if God was really reconciling the world to himself not counting mens trespasses against them, 2 Cor 5:19 but the scripture that says where sin abounds mercy abounds even more.Rom 5:20. Now if Gods plan was to have a creation that would love him out of free will and the last 6000 years and till the end, were Gods way of bringing about the result that all his creation would worship him out of free will and in the end God will be all in all 1 Cor 15:28. Sin and death are no more, not just stuck in a place that God has to keep going forever and listen to the screams of his people for all eternity, what if God in the end would make a new heaven and new earth and the old is done and all is new, his whole creation living in him out of free will love, no more sin and death its gone forever.
I ask you how does God losing most of his creation and then having to burn it forever bring glory to God?
Does not the idea that God knew what he was doing, and had a plan, and had all that it would take to accomplish the plan, to bring all his creation into a love with him, forever and sin and death are no more, and God will be all in all. Does this not bring more glory to God?

My guess is that time is not limited to being a straight line but Ezekiel chapter thirty seven hints at multiple time lines in which more and more and more and more of the Holy Spirit is poured out on all flesh. We would not necessarily know if we had been resurrected and sent back to when we were five or ten or fifteen years of age.

My belief is that Jesus is just getting started at how drastic the measures may be to eventually save the lost.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

My guess is that time is not limited to being a straight line but Ezekiel chapter thirty seven hints at multiple time lines in which more and more and more and more of the Holy Spirit is poured out on all flesh. We would not necessarily know if we had been resurrected and sent back to when we were five or ten or fifteen years of age.

My belief is that Jesus is just getting started at how drastic the measures may be to eventually save the lost.

Thinking someone, anyone is "lost" isn't a requirement of Christianity. We are all lost to varying degrees, so it's quite pointless to point fingers.

John advised us in 1 John 4:7 that everyone who loves knows God and is born of God. Bam. Nailed it right there.

Can any of us sincerely say that would not apply to everyone? I can easily see it could apply to every person that has ever lived. Even if they only loved their own sorry hides. Or some other distorted versions of love. It's love, regardless.

God's workings sometimes reminds me of off the charts passions of every sort, in every direction. A colossal experiment, unleashed in real time, real life. Or at least what it appears to us to be in our current state.

Luke 20:38
For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

God did feed us all a big ol' hunk of dragon meat before we got here, to carry around with us on the journey. A covering so to speak. And He commanded the light to shine from the darkness.

Our adversary is that darkness. Acts 26:18

All people are God's children. Matt. 23:9, Acts 17:26-29

Psalm 74:14
Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

Leviathan, for the uninitiated to allegory/similitudes in scripture, is Satan.

Isaiah 27:1
In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

The "sea" that leviathan swims in is PEOPLE. In the spiritual sense, the veritable sea of confusion and vanity. Where the beast, the woman, the harlot sits.

and the Word actually gives POWER to the beast, that it rises from the sea, to show its ugly head. Romans 7:13, 1 Cor. 15:56

The crazy part of the whole deal is: It actually does work, to this day, in real time. You can watch it unfold before your very eyes.

 

[Clare73]

That means the fire will never go out. It does mean that anything/anyone will continue to exist in that fire.

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Yeah, I'm sure "destroy" Doesn't Really Mean "destroy", there, does it. That's the way the dipsey doodle works, innit?

Actually, it means precisely that. . .seems you need go look up the meaning of apollumi (destroy).

 

[Hentenza]

Thinking someone, anyone is "lost" isn't a requirement of Christianity. We are all lost to varying degrees, so it's quite pointless to point fingers.

John advised us in 1 John 4:7 that everyone who loves knows God and is born of God. Bam. Nailed it right there.

Does everyone love?

“The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4‬:‭8‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

1 John 4:8 The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

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[BelieveItOarKnot]

Does everyone love?

“The one who does not love does not know God, because God is love.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4‬:‭8‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

You always seem to miss the adversary in these pictures and autopilot people instead

Learn there are 2. Learn there are differences. Then talk

 

[Hentenza]

You always seem to miss the adversary in these pictures and autopilot people instead

Learn there are 2. Learn there are differences. Then talk

So you can’t answer. Its ok. It’s a hard question.