How does the idea that most of Gods creation he will have to burn forever bring glory to God?

[Jipsah]

God in the OT while being a Father to us, and Jesus biological Father, is not the Heavenly Father Jesus spoke so often about in the NT. God in the OT is the Holy Spirit in the NT, and he wasn't always fully omniscient like our Heavenly Father always is/was, and so started out "young" and had to learn, etc.

And you believe on what basis?

This is what explains away most of that One's behavior and what he was trying to do in the OT, etc. He will not be the ultimate judge in the judgement, since that was handed over to our Heavenly Father, and to Jesus, etc.

That sounds awfully polytheistic, doesn't it?

Right now, he is our helper against all of the evil in the world and Satan the Devil until Jesus comes back. Jesus went to where that Heavely Father always was/is so that he could return with all of the knowledge necessary to judge 100% fairly and rightly and truly justly when he does come back, etc. He also went there to prepare places for some of us there also, etc. It is also possible that God the Holy Spirit/God in the OT, is a God local to this creation/earth over us, etc. And I told you there are/is/always will be others, etc. But all will join the Highest Heavenly Father one day, etc.

That's very... interesting.

 

[Jipsah]

I find this problematic.

To say the very least.

The father is not Jesus biological father

Then who is? It is out turn to separate the Holy Trinity into separate Gods?

and God is not the Holy Spirit in the OT. God has always been fully om.uting an anti-trinitarian view of God.

It sounds kinda like you both are.

 

[Jipsah]

I'm spouting the only true and only correct interpretation of the Trinity of God.

You may be coming it a it large with that claim. Your claim here appears to run contraey to the Creeds of the Church. You nay want to clarify your position.

Find it problematic all you want, but it is the only interpretation left or available that is still possible anymore now to

Sorry mate, that just doesn't do.

All other interpretations are already dead, or have already been laid to rest fully, or are already dust, etc.

Or not.

Jesus discovered this, and built his whole Trinity doctrine around it, etc

OK, I think I'll take my leave here.

 

[Jipsah]

So you've never read Mk 9:42-48. . .

Maybe a time or three. I don't see where itr says "God will fry us for all eternity" there. Maybe your damnationist doctrine talking there, you reckon?

Perhaps being more Biblically informed would be helpful here.

And just when I was going to say that you might be making that Scrip[ture say more then what's written there. People do have a tendency to make some verses say more than they actually do when there's a cherished doctrine at risk. I mean, we can't expect God to behave just as He expects us to be just, can we? There's rules for Him and there rules for us. It's one eye for one eye for us, but it's eternity in torture for 0ffending Him in the slightest. And you'd bloody well better not accuse Him of being unjust, right.

I hold to the silly notion that God is just as He expects us to be just. Weird, huh?

 

[Neogaia777]

And you believe on what basis?

It was proven to me that God/gods do exist. (See post #160)

That sounds awfully polytheistic, doesn't it?

Think what you want.

That's very... interesting.

Yeah, what part? Or what parts do you find interesting?

 

[Neogaia777]

You may be coming it a it large with that claim. Your claim here appears to run contraey to the Creeds of the Church. You nay want to clarify your position.

I still believe in a three-in-one God and God-Head. But I hope you do realize that the Creeds are not the Bible.

Sorry mate, that just doesn't do.

A lot of other possibilities have been eliminated now, even if many other so-called believers cannot see it. Mine is not like that, etc.

Or not.

Or maybe yes.

But, ok, take your leave then.

God Bless.

 

[Jipsah]

It was proven to me that God/gods do exist.

Ah, personal revelation. Well, hard to argue against that, innit?

 

[Neogaia777]

Ah, personal revelation. Well, hard to argue against that, innit?

My aim is not to try to prove to anyone that God/gods do indeed exist (but I only said that because someone asked, etc) but my aim is to only try to prove/show what is probably one of the only last real possibilities left for being a Christian, or for people to believe, etc.

People who cannot present that is one of the main reasons other people will not believe, and that unbelief/non-belief is on the rise, and will probably lead to great persecution maybe, and maybe an end to the religion maybe, etc. I seek to prevent that, etc. What I have should be able to stand the test of those times, etc.

 

[Hentenza]

To say the very least.

Then who is? It is out turn to separate the Holy Trinity into separate Gods?

No one is Jesus biological father. Jesus is God. He is the alpha and the omega, beginning and end.

It sounds kinda like you both are.

Nah. He has no evidence.

 

[Clare73]

This thinking is new, made up by Calvinists to justify their false ideas, no place in Church history have I ever read that definition of cosmos.
The blinders you have to read with to get that definition are absurd, Jesus came and entered the fallen humanity and paid the price for all his creation, God will stop at nothing to reconcile all his humanity, he has a plan and it will not fail, no man or any other created thing can stop his plan or alter it in any way. Phil 2:10-11 Every knee will bow and every tongue will gladly confess Jesus is Lord.

Falls somewhat short of a Biblical demonstration. . .thereby leaving it without Biblical merit.

 

[Clare73]

Use logic and reason for a minute, or ask AI or something smarter than you what would be the behavior/mannerisms of a truly and fully omniscient being or God over us, and then you'll begin to see the truth, and the same truth that Jesus discovered or figured out, etc.

Oh. . .so AI and man are the judge of God?

I'm thinkin' we don't judge God, he judges us.

 

[Clare73]

Maybe a time or three. I don't see where itr says "God will fry us for all eternity" there.

What part of Jesus' words in Mk 9:43-48, Mt 25:46, 13:29-30 do you not understand?

 

[Neogaia777]

Oh. . .so AI and man are the judge of God?

I'm thinkin' we don't judge God, he judges us.

I didn't use AI to get what I know, but only suggested that some of you use it because it's much smarter than you are.

I only teach and train AI with the stuff that I know, or at least I try to sometimes, etc. And sometimes it understands it a whole lot better than you guys do, etc. But you guys should use it because it's a lot smarter than you are right now currently, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Clare73]

I didn't use AI to get what I know, but only suggested that some of you use it because it's much smarter than you are.

I only teach and train AI with the stuff that I know, or at least I try to sometimes, etc. And sometimes it understands it a whole lot better than you guys do, etc. But you guys should use it because it's a lot smarter than you are right now currently, etc.

God Bless.

I'll need more than your personal opionion on this matter, as in an example of what you consider an improvement in understanding.

 

[Hentenza]

I didn't use AI to get what I know, but only suggested that some of you use it because it's much smarter than you are.

I only teach and train AI with the stuff that I know, or at least I try to sometimes, etc. And sometimes it understands it a whole lot better than you guys do, etc. But you guys should use it because it's a lot smarter than you are right now currently, etc.

God Bless.

From AI.

Gnosticism is a diverse set of religious and philosophical beliefs that flourished in the early centuries of Christianity, characterized by a dualistic worldview emphasizing the distinction between the material world (considered evil or flawed) and the spiritual realm (considered good or divine). Gnostics believed that salvation comes through acquiring special, esoteric knowledge, or "gnosis," which allows individuals to transcend the material world and reunite with the divine source.

• • Gnosis:
    Gnostics sought salvation through "gnosis," a form of spiritual knowledge or insight that could not be attained through traditional religious practices or faith alone. This knowledge was often considered esoteric and revealed to a select few.
    
    

If this is what you are teaching then be aware of the site rules regarding gnostism.

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[Neogaia777]

From AI.


If this is what you are teaching then be aware of the site rules regarding gnostism.

“Unorthodox Christian theology may only be discussed in the Controversial Christian Theology forum. These unorthodox topics do not directly oppose the Nicene Creed, but are not considered to be orthodox on CF. These unorthodox topics may not contradict the Nicene Creed. Non-Trinitarianism may only be discussed in the Outreach category forums. Gnosticism may not be discussed in any CF forums. The Controversial Christian Theology forum is open to Christian members only (faith groups list). Unorthodox Christian theological topics include (but are not limited to):

• Annihilationism
• Full Preterism
• Open Theism
• Universalism

I asked you to ask AI about omniscience, and I'm not at all a Gnostic, and nor am I discussing Gnosticism.

But, that's fine though, I have a book to work on, and I am pretty much done with this thread and CF for a little while temporarily anyway. I doubt anything will change here while I am gone, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Hentenza]

I asked you to ask AI about omniscience, and I'm not at all a Gnostic, and nor am I discussing Gnosticism.

But, that's fine though, I have a book to work on, and I am pretty much done with this thread and CF for a little while temporarily anyway.

God Bless.

My knowledge of God’s omniscience comes from scripture not from AI. AI is not infallible but scripture is.

 

[Neogaia777]

My knowledge of God’s omniscience comes from scripture not from AI. AI is not infallible but scripture is.

Then ask whatever you will this then: "What would have to be the behaviors/mannerisms/emotions/emotional states of mind of a fully omniscient being that is/was like a God over both us, and this whole entire creation/universe, if they were always fully omniscient about all of it from the very beginning of it?" (Or something to that effect), and see what kind of reactions/responses you will get from it, ok, as there are only so many correct answers to this question, etc. And once you have that or those, then compare them to Yahweh God and how Yahweh God is described/depicted to us in the OT, ok. And this would just be a start, ok.

God Bless.

 

[Hentenza]

Then ask whatever you will this then: "What's would have to be the behaviors/mannerisms/emotions/emotional states of mind of a fully omniscient being that is/was like a God over both us, and this whole entire creation/universe, if they were always fully omniscient about all of it from the very beginning of it?" (Or something to that effect), and see what kind of reactions/responses you will get from it, ok, as there are only so many correct answers to this question, etc. And once you have that or those, then compare them to Yahweh God and how Yahweh God is described/depicted to us in the OT, ok. And this would just be a start, ok.

God Bless.

The only correct answer will be the one that God will give you. God states that His ways are not our ways. There is an infinite difference between a finite bring and an infinite being. Not even AI can read God’s mind.

 

[Jipsah]

What part of Jesus' words in Mk 9:43-48, Mt 25:46, 13:29-30 do you not understand?

I understad that when you burn weeds, they don't burn forever, and that words don't die in hell and the fire never goes out. I don't see that the damned are tortured fore er in either of the Scxriptures you cited. Yoy believe that's what they mean because you doxctrine says they must. But that isn't what they they say, is it? Hey, I was brought up as a hellfire Baptist, Looking back, it was a straight-up "Jesus came to save us from God," Were were taught that Jesus loves us and died for us, but that God the Father is very much the vengeful God of the Old Testament, and anyone whose not under Jesus's protection would be tortured forever. During the famines in the Horn of Africa years ago, I heard one "Old Time Missionary Baptist" preacher opine that the best thing that could happen there was for as many children younger than "the age of accountability" die so they'd go directly tp Heaven, because if they reached adulthood they'd almost certainly be damned to eternal torment. I suspect he'd never heard that most of the pepole in those parts were orthodox Christians. buy even if he had, he would assume that anyone who wasn't an OTMB was doomed to eternal horror.

So yeah, I can read passibly well, so I do in fact understand the verses you cited. I can also see that they don't say that the condemned live forever in perdition, just that hell itself is open for gusuness in perpetuity, Which makes sense if the "wages of sin" is actually death, and not eternal life under torture. That, and the verse where our Lord counsels us to fear Him Who can "destroy" both boy, and soul, in he;;. Y'all have to do the "death doesn't really mean death, it means eternal life in torment:, which belies thr sense of that verse altogetrher.

It just doesn't work, Too many Scriptures to ignore and/or give new meanings". Plus, they show God's stated desire to see all saved being set at noughty by Satabic deception, and/or human stupidity/depravity. That all comes round to "Poor God, There's Just Nothing He Can Do" again, and that's arrant rubbish. God is God, and His Will shall be done, end of.