Karoline Leavitt accuses CNN of 'encouraging violence' against agents for reports on new ICE tracking app

[ThatRobGuy]

Are you really comparing an ICE arresting an illegal immigrant with DEA engaging with a dangerous drug runner? [yes, I guess you are]

In terms of danger posed to the public at large? no

In terms of it being a scenario where people (who disagree with a law) are far too eager to:
- "tip people off" so that arrest can be evaded
- Doxx the agents doing the job as a means of trying to intimidate them out of doing their job

...then yes, there are similarities

Sure, there is the risk of flight. I submit, the greater risk is to the rights of illegal immigrants and all citizens of this country if we allow masked, unidentified federal agents to arrest non-violent offenders.

An offense being non-violent is something of a distraction factor when it comes to certain matters.

The law is the law.

Martin Shkreli was a non-violent criminal, he was apprehended via a pre-dawn raid. Should we not have allowed him to be arrested since he wasn't violent?


Many of the agents tasked with raiding Mar A Lago were masked during that operation. As were some of the operators tasked with conducting the raid to arrest Roger Stone.

If a bunch of "MAGA bros" suddenly seemed awfully hell-bent on being able to know the identities of the agents involved in those raids, what would you assume their motivations were for wanting to know the the identities of those FBI agents?

 

[Valletta]

This is an administration that claims an 80 year old congresswoman assaulted one of their officers. I do not find their chief propaganda dispenser, whom I have seen lie directly to reporters on easily fact checked items, to be a credible source for information.

I don't care how old she is, she had no right to strike a law enforcement officer and interfere with an officer doing their duty. It endangers people lives, and given that prominent Democrat leaders have made threats against Supreme Court justices and other officials, such behavior is irresponsible. The Biden administration went after non-violent offenders with heaving weapons and gear in mass.

 

[Valletta]

I don’t care.

These ICE agents are being reckless and irresponsible and accountable to no one. Maybe once people start shooting back they’ll figure out you can’t go around abducting people while dressed like the American taliban.

An app telling people how to avoid these goon squads when they’re in your area is actually keeping everyone safe.

Most people don't agree with the defund the police movement. Law enforcement officers are just working people like so many others. Many have degrees in social work or social sciences and just want to make a difference. In places like Minneapolis where the cops are so complained about it rarely gets a mention that it is all Democrats with oversight, Democrats who set police policies, and you can bet most of the cops are Democrats. So maybe the focus should be on the party rather than the cops.

 

[Belk]

I don't care how old she is, she had no right to strike a law enforcement officer and interfere with an officer doing their duty. It endangers people lives, and given that prominent Democrat leaders have made threats against Supreme Court justices and other officials, such behavior is irresponsible.

The Biden administration went after non-violent offenders with heaving weapons and gear in mass.

 

[Valletta]

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Trump, Noem vow to prosecute CNN for reporting on ICE app, Iran strike

Trump officials vowed to prosecute CNN over coverage of app tracking ICE agents, as Border Czar Homan warns about increased assaults on immigration officers.

www.yahoo.com

 

[MrMoe]

Only scoundrels want to operate in the dark.

By that measure, under cover cops and secret agents must all be scoundrels to you.

All this app does is provide information to people about ICE's activities, so they can plan accordingly.

Plan accordingly for what? This app sounds like great tool for illegal immigrants to hide from law enforcement.

 

[MrMoe]

Their job isn’t to be a terrorizing presence in our city. Their job isn’t to hassle people while they’re working. When they’re aggressively taking people right off the streets and throwing them into unmarked vans that is kidnapping. One would be well within their rights to use deadly force in a situation like that.

ICE agents endager the public and themselves when they become undistinguishable from a kidnapper.

Who would have thought Americans would tolerate and evern normalize masked armed federal agents who pick up our fellow human beings as it they were lost dogs.

They aren’t using law enforcement vehicles. They rolling around in totally normal looking cars with civilian plates to hide the fact they are law enforcement. Pointing out the hidden thugs amongst us is a community service.

Nonsense. Masked and unidentified law enforcement officers have not always detained law breakers.

Are you really comparing an ICE arresting an illegal immigrant with DEA engaging with a dangerous drug runner? [yes, I guess you are]




Sure, there is the risk of flight. I submit, the greater risk is to the rights of illegal immigrants and all citizens of this country if we allow masked, unidentified federal agents to arrest non-violent offenders.

Okay, so how did ICE do it under Obama? I’m guessing they didn’t “kidnap” people or use unmarked vehicles, since I never heard any uproar about it during his presidency.

 

[BCP1928]

Okay, so how did ICE do it under Obama? I’m guessing they didn’t “kidnap” people or use unmarked vehicles, since I never heard any uproar about it during his presidency.

ICE didn't do much of anything, hasn't really done all that much in the last twenty years or so since they were founded. Visa overstays are one of their primary responsibilities, and visa overstays have accounted for around half of the illegal aliens in the country all that time. It's something of a joke. Did you ever wonder why responsible and competent local LEOs put up with the "sanctuary city" silliness? It's because they generally have no respect for ICE and don't like dealing with them. Now ICE is being used as a Tough Cop travelling circus for the amusement of Trump's base. Enjoy the show,

 

[Valletta]

ICE didn't do much of anything, hasn't really done all that much in the last twenty years or so since they were founded. Visa overstays are one of their primary responsibilities, and visa overstays have accounted for around half of the illegal aliens in the country all that time. It's something of a joke. Did you ever wonder why responsible and competent local LEOs put up with the "sanctuary city" silliness? It's because they generally have no respect for ICE and don't like dealing with them. Now ICE is being used as a Tough Cop travelling circus for the amusement of Trump's base. Enjoy the show,

ICE has a long successful history. Let's go back:

Archived: ICE arrests more than 1,100 in operation targeting gangs

Most of the individuals arrested during Project Shadowfire were U.S. citizens, but 239 foreign nationals from 13 countries in Central America, Asia, Europe and the Caribbean were also arrested. Of the 1,133 arrests, 915 were gang members and associates, 1,001 were charged with criminal offenses...

www.ice.gov

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I get most of my news on this forum. And this forum makes Karoline and Trump look bad. I don't even watch CNN. All news channel has a view point. But this forum makes is my news forum. Sadly CNN is telling the truth. And Karoline can't handle it.

 

[Valletta]

I get most of my news on this forum. And this forum makes Karoline and Trump look bad. I don't even watch CNN. All news channel has a view point. But this forum makes is my news forum. Sadly CNN is telling the truth. And Karoline can't handle it.

Karoline is correct. At best it is irresponsible and reckless, like doing a story on how to make a bomb. Those involved may be prosecuted.

 

[ozso]

I get most of my news on this forum. And this forum makes Karoline and Trump look bad. I don't even watch CNN. All news channel has a view point. But this forum makes is my news forum. Sadly CNN is telling the truth. And Karoline can't handle it.

Other people who post to this forum get their news from CNN and similar. Or worse The View and Kimmy Kimmel and similar. So that's what you're getting here from them.

 

[ozso]

Okay, so how did ICE do it under Obama? I’m guessing they didn’t “kidnap” people or use unmarked vehicles, since I never heard any uproar about it during his presidency.

Same gear, same tactics, same vehicles, under Biden, Obama, Clinton.

 

[wing2000]

IMO, what Karoline fears the most is competing with the cell phones recording of her goons in action.

 

[iluvatar5150]

It puts a target on ICE agents. In other words, if someone wants to locate ICE agents to shoot, this app will provide them with their exact location. Considering the firemen that were just gunned down, that's not far fetched.

That doesn't change the fact that that's what it could very easily be used for.

lol @ the party of Tough Guys Who <assault> Your Feelings whining over a bit of free speech.

If somebody wanted to attack ICE agents, all they’d have to do is go down to the local ICE field office and wait.

But where is the closest field office, you ask? I don’t know - let’s check the ICE website that lists all of them:

ICE Field Offices

www.ice.gov

 

[wing2000]

An offense being non-violent is something of a distraction factor when it comes to certain matters.

The law is the law.

Martin Shkreli was a non-violent criminal, he was apprehended via a pre-dawn raid. Should we not have allowed him to be arrested since he wasn't violent?

I don't object to arresting people.

It's how the government is conducting these arrest. Do you really want armed, unidentified squads showing up at your local home depot and start grabbing people? Do you think it's cool for graduate students to be thrown in unmarked vans and wisked away? Is that the America you want?

 

[ozso]

lol @ the party of Tough Guys Who <assault> Your Feelings whining over a bit of free speech.

I don't know what that means or what it has to do with putting law enforce at risk while assisting law breakers.

If somebody wanted to attack ICE agents, all they’d have to do is go down to the local ICE field office and wait.

But where is the closest field office, you ask? I don’t know - let’s check the ICE website that lists all of them:

ICE Field Offices

www.ice.gov

Law enforcement officers are usually attacked while out in the field vs the field office.

 

[ozso]

I don't object to arresting people.

It's how the government is conducting these arrest. Do you really want armed, unidentified squads showing up at your local home depot and start grabbing people? Do you think it's cool for graduate students to be thrown in unmarked vans and wisked away? Is that the America you want?

INS, HSI and ICE police officers have always been armed. They all have "HSI POLICE" and "ICE POLICE" clearly printed on their vests. They have always raided businesses harboring illegal aliens. They've always rounded up illegal aliens, and suspected illegal aliens, and put them in vans. It's pure fiction that there's anything new about it.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Do you really want armed, unidentified squads showing up at your local home depot

The "armed" is a non-starter, most LEOs are armed.

As far as the showing up in ski-masks part... No, I prefer if that wasn't how they were forced to conduct business, but I also don't want officers to be afraid to do their job out of fear that some activist type is itching to publish their identity and address online so their family can be subject to threats and harassment.

Like I noted, the masking & identity concealment is fairly recent in the grand scheme of things (2018 -- after the wikileaks doxxing incident)

The 'showing up masked' thing was a response to the 'if you aid in enforcing this law we don't like, we're going to put your name out there and let people know the address where your wife and kids are at' thing.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

"CNN reported on a publicly available app, which is generating attention across the United States, and reached out to ICE for comment prior to publication. After CNN published its reporting, ICE posted a response, which is now included in the story," the spokesperson told Fox News Digital.
The response reported by CNN came from ICE Acting Director Todd Lyons, who said ICEBlock "basically paints a target on federal law enforcement officers’ backs" and that "officers and agents are already facing a 500% increase in assaults."

Karoline Leavitt accuses CNN of 'encouraging violence' against agents for reports on new ICE tracking app

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt accused CNN of inciting violence by covering a story on ICEBlock, an app that reports sightings of ICE agents.

www.yahoo.com

She makes a good point.

First off, didn’t know of the app so thank you for sharing it with the class. Downloading and using it now.

Secondly, I think the more irresponsible thing is for CNN to not remind people that information on who uses the app is one subpoena away from being handed over to the government for the purposes of retaliation and punishment of the users by agents acting on behalf of the current administration.

I think it’s worth the risk for me, given the line between my mother being a first-generation US born citizen and a person who can be de-naturalized and deported for vague dissent against the administration seems to be rapidly moving, but perhaps others aren’t so keen on taking the chance as I am.