Karoline Leavitt accuses CNN of 'encouraging violence' against agents for reports on new ICE tracking app

[GoldenBoy89]

That's not the same as red dots on a map screen pinpointing law enforcement officers. Will you be happy if they start getting gunned down, considering how evil you say they are?

I won’t lose any sleep over it, no.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

People, real people, die because of such an attitude.

I don’t care.

It's reckless and irresponsible, all we can do at this point is urge people not to follow the radical leaders.

These ICE agents are being reckless and irresponsible and accountable to no one. Maybe once people start shooting back they’ll figure out you can’t go around abducting people while dressed like the American taliban.

An app telling people how to avoid these goon squads when they’re in your area is actually keeping everyone safe.

 

[wing2000]

It puts a target on ICE agents. In other words, if someone wants to locate ICE agents to shoot, this app will provide them with their exact location. Considering the firemen that were just gunned down, that's not far fetched.

ICE agents endager the public and themselves when they become undistinguishable from a kidnapper.

Who would have thought Americans would tolerate and evern normalize masked armed federal agents who pick up our fellow human beings as it they were lost dogs.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Yeah that’s the claim. Explain how.

Did they tell anyone to use the app to go assault officers?

I think the concern is that it's implied "saying it without saying it" to some audiences.

For example, if a right-wing person made an app that was used to let other right-wing people know which librarians were stocking books that they deemed "not appropriate" or hosting reading events they deemed to be "sexualizing", and instead of ICEBlock, named their app "GroomerBlock"

Even if there were no overt calls for any violence, harassment, or property destruction, people would certainly be reading between the lines on that one, correct? (library pun not intended)

Anytime you're publishing the location of a group of people who you know are hated among a certain subset of the public, pinpointing their location on the map for people always has some "Okay, here's where they're at, you know what to do - wink wink nudge nudge" undertones.

 

[ozso]

ICE agents endager the public and themselves when they become undistinguishable from a kidnapper.

Who would have thought Americans would tolerate and evern normalize masked armed federal agents who pick up our fellow human beings as it they were lost dogs.

Law enforcement officers have always detained law breakers and put them in law enforcement vehicles.

As for masks, those who went on and on about how vital it is to wear a mask, are now outraged over mask wearing.

 

[BCP1928]

It endangers the lives of officers. Just like when Chuck Schumer made his comments about Supreme Court justices, putting their lives and the lives of their families in danger.

Just relax folks, it's all part of the show. Deportation 'Theater, now coming to a neighborhood near you--check the app to find out when.

 

[BCP1928]

Law enforcement officers have always detained law breakers and put them in law enforcement vehicles.

As for masks, those who went on and on about how vital it is to wear a mask, are now outraged over mask wearing.

Take it up with the costume designer.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Law enforcement officers have always detained law breakers and put them in law enforcement vehicles.

They aren’t using law enforcement vehicles. They rolling around in totally normal looking cars with civilian plates to hide the fact they are law enforcement. Pointing out the hidden thugs amongst us is a community service.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

ICE agents endager the public and themselves when they become undistinguishable from a kidnapper.

...but then wouldn't that be true of any other plain clothes officer working a time sensitive (somewhat covert) operation?

For instance, if the DEA was looking to make a bust in certain situations, do you think they're rolling up in a regular squad car wearing regular cop uniforms?

The very fact that this app exists that we're discussing is the reason why they have to be a little more covert.

If they rolled around in full uniform in a car marked "ICE Federal Enforcement", there would be people all too eager to tip people off so they could evade arrest.

And as I noted in another recent thread about this, ICE agents didn't used to conceal their identities as much, It wasn't until the wikileaks incident of 2018 that they started routinely making concealment efforts.

California Bill Would Prohibit ICE Officers From Wearing Masks in the State

uh, because I believe my eyes when she presents video evidence to back it up. You did not even look at the link did you? I did. It’s a week old. Try to keep up. That’s why you seem to think there’s still looting, rioting and vandalism going on. We also got the wildfires put out, in case...

www.christianforums.com

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I think the concern is that it's implied "saying it without saying it" to some audiences.

For example, if a right-wing person made an app that was used to let other right-wing people know which librarians were stocking books that they deemed "not appropriate" or hosting reading events they deemed to be "sexualizing", and instead of ICEBlock, named their app "GroomerBlock"

Even if there were no overt calls for any violence, harassment, or property destruction, people would certainly be reading between the lines on that one, correct? (library pun not intended)

Anytime you're publishing the location of a group of people who you know are hated among a certain subset of the public, pinpointing their location on the map for people always has some "Okay, here's where they're at, you know what to do - wink wink nudge nudge" undertones.

These aren’t librarians we’re talking about. I don’t think there really is any comparison to gangs of masked individuals roaming around cities looking for people to abduct from their work. That’s why no one’s developed a librarian blocker app.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

...but then wouldn't that be true of any other plain clothes officer working a time sensitive (somewhat covert) operation?

For instance, if the DEA was looking to make a bust in certain situations, do you think they're rolling up in a regular squad car wearing regular cop uniforms?

The very fact that this app exists that we're discussing is the reason why they have to be a little more covert.

If they rolled around in full uniform in a car marked "ICE Federal Enforcement", there would be people all too eager to tip people off so they could evade arrest.

And as I noted in another recent thread about this, ICE agents didn't used to conceal their identities as much, It wasn't until the wikileaks incident of 2018 that they started routinely making concealment efforts.

California Bill Would Prohibit ICE Officers From Wearing Masks in the State

uh, because I believe my eyes when she presents video evidence to back it up. You did not even look at the link did you? I did. It’s a week old. Try to keep up. That’s why you seem to think there’s still looting, rioting and vandalism going on. We also got the wildfires put out, in case...

www.christianforums.com

As far as I know, DEA isn’t rolling around major cities showing up to random places of business to see if everyone working there are carrying any drugs and then abducting them away without due process. Only ICE and CBP are doing this.

 

[ozso]

...but then wouldn't that be true of any other plain clothes officer working a time sensitive (somewhat covert) operation?

For instance, if the DEA was looking to make a bust in certain situations, do you think they're rolling up in a regular squad car wearing regular cop uniforms?

The DEA has been kidnapping people running meth labs.

Here's is a picture of a DEA raid:

 

[ThatRobGuy]

As far as I know, DEA isn’t rolling around major cities showing up to random places of business to see if everyone working there are carrying any drugs and then abducting them away without due process. Only ICE and CBP are doing this.

What do you mean "abducting without due process"? You mean checking documents and making arrests if they don't have them?

Due process is a feature of the judicial phase, not the executive/enforcement phase (especially with regards to Immigration law)

With regards to the limitations on ICE themselves... They're largely only bound by reasonable suspicion with regards to who they can question and ultimately detain/arrest upon the results of that questioning.

This is right from the Immigrant Defense Project (an organization that's on the side of the undocumented immigrants)
While an ICE officer may not enter a residential home without a judicial warrant, exigent circumstances, or consent, ICE officers are only required to have “reasonable suspicion” (RS) of an immigration violation to initiate a car stop or a detainment for the purposes of questioning in a public place.
See Navarette v. California, 572 U.S. 393, 396-97 (2014). Section 287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. § 1357, authorizes ICE officers to interrogate and arrest noncitizens for suspected immigration violations. Under implementing regulations, ICE officers can detain individuals for questioning if the officer has a “reasonable suspicion, based on specific articulable merits, that the person being questioned is, or is attempting to be, engaged in an offense or is illegally in the United States.” 8 C.F.R. § 287.8(b)

The standard for determining whether an action was justified by reasonable suspicion is an objective one, not dependent on the intentions or motivations of the particular detaining officer. Illinois v. Wardlow, 582 U.S. 119, 123 (2000); see also, e.g., United States v. Singletary, 798 F.3d 55, 59 (2d Cir. 2015) (examining “the totality of the circumstances through the eyes of a reasonable and cautious officer”).

United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U.S. 873, 884 (1975). Officers may “draw on their own experience and training” in making this judgment, id., looking to factors including:
• Proximity to an international border;
• Patterns of behavior;
• An officer’s previous experience with undocumented individuals;
• An officer’s knowledge of “[r]ecent illegal border crossings in the area”;
• In matters of vehicle stoppages, a driver’s erratic driving or obvious attempts to evade officers;



While some people may suggest it's "Un-PC" to say, the reality is, receiving a tip that there is a factory employing undocumented workers (who's been busted for things like that before) is not "random"... Neither is approaching day laborers standing out front of a Home Depot that's in a city that's close to the US-Mexico border. A reasonable person (who's being honest) would acknowledge the fact that a group of 15 non-English speakers (who are clearly of Mexican descent) standing out in front of a home improvement store in El Paso with a sign that says "trabajo" is significantly more likely to be undocumented than a group of people speaking fluent English in the parking lot of a restaurant in Des Moines Iowa.

People keep saying it's "Random"... if it was random, I would've seen ICE Agents showing up at the Target that's 5 miles from me here in Northeast Ohio and stopping random people.



To be honest, I think the thing that makes some people mad (the people who want to cling to the notion that you can't infer certain things by evaluating certain superficial aspects), is specifically how un-random it is.

The proof of how un-random it actually is demonstrated in the numbers.

When they do these days-long series of nationwide sweeps and apprehend several thousands of people, and it ends up where the overwhelming majority were, indeed, undocumented, with a small handful of mistaken apprehensions, the news outlets are off to the races going on at length about the 3 guys who were mistakenly picked up (and then later released) and conveniently leave out the fact that the other 14,997 were, indeed, what ICE agents suspected.

Meaning it's not random...if it were random it would be a jump ball in terms of the outcome statistics.

 

[Belk]

"CNN reported on a publicly available app, which is generating attention across the United States, and reached out to ICE for comment prior to publication. After CNN published its reporting, ICE posted a response, which is now included in the story," the spokesperson told Fox News Digital.
The response reported by CNN came from ICE Acting Director Todd Lyons, who said ICEBlock "basically paints a target on federal law enforcement officers’ backs" and that "officers and agents are already facing a 500% increase in assaults."

Karoline Leavitt accuses CNN of 'encouraging violence' against agents for reports on new ICE tracking app

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt accused CNN of inciting violence by covering a story on ICEBlock, an app that reports sightings of ICE agents.

www.yahoo.com

She makes a good point.

This is an administration that claims an 80 year old congresswoman assaulted one of their officers. I do not find their chief propaganda dispenser, whom I have seen lie directly to reporters on easily fact checked items, to be a credible source for information.

 

[Pommer]

How is cnn to blame for “inciting violence against ice agents” just for covering a story about an app?

Another stellar example of “JOURNALISTS ARE DOING THEIR JOB WRONG!”

 

[ozso]

My summery of this thread thus far. Law breakers are victims. Law enforcement officers are kidnappers because they arrest law breakers and put them into police cars. News agencies should feature apps/devices that both help law breakers evade law enforcement, and potentially put law enforcement officers at risk. And wearing a face mask is now a bad thing.

 

[wing2000]

Law enforcement officers have always detained law breakers and put them in law enforcement vehicles.

As for masks, those who went on and on about how vital it is to wear a mask, are now outraged over mask wearing.

Nonsense. Masked and unidentified law enforcement officers have not always detained law breakers.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

My summery of this thread thus far.

Lets see.

Law breakers are victims.

They can be. Do you dispute this?

Law enforcement officers are kidnappers because they arrest law breakers and put them into police cars.

They aren’t using police cars. You’re clearly uninformed to what’s actually happening here. They are kidnappers because they are actually abducting people. These are not standard police techniques. This is what secret police do.

News agencies should feature apps/devices that both help law breakers evade law enforcement, and potentially put law enforcement officers at risk.

The app exists. The news can’t report on it without being labeled terrorists and said to be inciting violence?

And wearing a face mask is now a bad thing.

These aren’t face masks either. More like balaclavas.

Pretty uninformed summary of the thread and situation in LA all around.

 

[wing2000]

...but then wouldn't that be true of any other plain clothes officer working a time sensitive (somewhat covert) operation?

For instance, if the DEA was looking to make a bust in certain situations, do you think they're rolling up in a regular squad car wearing regular cop uniforms?

Are you really comparing an ICE arresting an illegal immigrant with DEA engaging with a dangerous drug runner? [yes, I guess you are]

The very fact that this app exists that we're discussing is the reason why they have to be a little more covert.

If they rolled around in full uniform in a car marked "ICE Federal Enforcement", there would be people all too eager to tip people off so they could evade arrest.

And as I noted in another recent thread about this, ICE agents didn't used to conceal their identities as much, It wasn't until the wikileaks incident of 2018 that they started routinely making concealment efforts.

California Bill Would Prohibit ICE Officers From Wearing Masks in the State

uh, because I believe my eyes when she presents video evidence to back it up. You did not even look at the link did you? I did. It’s a week old. Try to keep up. That’s why you seem to think there’s still looting, rioting and vandalism going on. We also got the wildfires put out, in case...

www.christianforums.com

Sure, there is the risk of flight. I submit, the greater risk is to the rights of illegal immigrants and all citizens of this country if we allow masked, unidentified federal agents to arrest non-violent offenders.

 

[ozso]

Nonsense. Masked and unidentified law enforcement officers have not always detained law breakers.

They have ICE or HSI Police written on their uniforms to identify them as such. Law enforcement across the board has been wearing face masks for years. DEA wear face masks and tactical gear. ATF wear face masks and tactical gear. FBI wear face masks and tactical gear. Secret Service wear face masks and tactical gear. SWAT wear face masks and tactical gear. Based on all the images I've looked at, the only way to tell all those agencies apart, is by what's written on their uniforms ie HSI, ICE, ATF, DEA, FBI, Secret Service etc.

Even the local police wear face masks and tactical gear.