End times time frames by chapter and fit

[Douggg]

Here are all the end times times frames in the bible by chapter in the order they appear in the first diagram. Then by fit in the second diagram.

 

[keras]

I could go thru your timeline and disprove all the wrong assumptions.
But just to read Daniel 9:27 and Ezekiel 39:9, is enough. They are not and cannot be a concurrent 7 year event.

The Gog/Magog attack has to be before the agreement of Daniel is made. It will be the basic reason for it.

I agree that the two 7 year periods will overlap. but the people in the Holy Land will have finished cleaning up G/M's debris long before Jesus Returns.

 

[Douggg]

But just to read Daniel 9:27 and Ezekiel 39:9, is enough. They are not and cannot be a concurrent 7 year event.

The 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9 is after the destruction of Gog's army. The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 coincide with the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9.

During the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9, Israel will be burning what is left of Gog's army instead of wood from the forests, verse 39:10. Most of what they will salvage to burn for heat and cooking will be the diesel fuel left in all the vehicles.

side note: I color coded all the same time frames so they would stand out. Was that helpful ?

 

[RandyPNW]

Here are all the end times times frames in the bible by chapter in the order they appear in the first diagram. Then by fit in the second diagram.

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Hi Doug, That is quite helpful to get a "bird's eye" view of all of these timed prophecies! I would distinguish between some of the prophecies even when they appear to be the same language or similar to the same time duration.

For example, the reign of Antiochus is about 3.5 years, just as the reign of Antichrist is 3.5 years. And the reign of Antiochus is characterized as including an "Abominatin of Desolation," where the NT AoD is very different, involving the Roman desolation of Jerusalem. In both cases pagan armies deliver a punishing judgment upon the Jewish People.

Not only so, but the Great Tribulation period in Dan 12 and in the Olivet Discourse involve an extension, I believe, of the Roman devastation of Jerusalem to include an age-long Jewish Diaspora. It is specifically a "Jewish Punishment," and not just Christians suffering under the Antichrist.

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to list all these. We can form our own opinions when we see the complete picture. We believe in all of it, but have to decide where the prophecies fit in history. Thanks again!

 

[Douggg]

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to list all these. We can form our own opinions when we see the complete picture. We believe in all of it, but have to decide where the prophecies fit in history. Thanks again!

Hi Randy, the first diagram should be helpful to everyone. The second diagram is how I see the fit of those time frames.

Whether others agree with the second diagram or not, is up to them as they work out for themselves how the time frames fit together in their eschatological view.

 

[keras]

The 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9 is after the destruction of Gog's army. The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 coincide with the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9.

The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and the 7 years after the G/M destruction, are not concurrent. The starting point of both cannot be the same time, as the leader of the rest of the world would not be in Jerusalem when Gog comes to attack.

I view your attempts to fit in the various time periods, as wrong and unhelpful. You don't realize that the first half of the 7 year agreement, will be peaceful and uneventful, as Daniel 9:27......with the first half gone.....simply says.

The 7 years after G/M is wiped out, is divided into 7 months of burying the human remains and 6 years 5 months of burning their weapons.
It seems logical and realistic to think that clean up would be finished before the Seven Bowls of Revelation 16 take place.

 

[Douggg]

The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and the 7 years after the G/M destruction, are not concurrent. The starting point of both cannot be the same time, as the leader of the rest of the world would not be in Jerusalem when Gog comes to attack.

Why would you think that some leader of the rest of the word would have to be in Jersualem at the time of the Gog/Magog attack ?

The 7 years after G/M is wiped out, is divided into 7 months of burying the human remains and 6 years 5 months of burning their weapons.

When God supernaturally destroys Gog's army there is probably going to be a couple of weeks for the Israeli government to organize and employ burial units to start burying the dead bodies. The burying process then lasts 7 months.

During that couple of weeks, the prince who shall come from the EU, will enter the middle east, with his EU army, on the premise of being a peace keeper for the region in the aftermath.

The Jews will see that person as the messiah. And the false prophet person will anoint him the king of Israel, messiah. Thus, the person becomes the Antichrist at that point and confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant by the big speech from the temple mount, and the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and Ezekiel 39:9 begin.

What I am saying is the the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 will not begin instantaneously upon the destruction of Gog's army.

 

[Douggg]

@keras

The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 end with Jesus's return, yes ?

Well, in Ezekiel 39, the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 also end with Jesus's return in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

 

[keras]

@keras

The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 end with Jesus's return, yes ?

Well, in Ezekiel 39, the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 also end with Jesus's return in Ezekiel 39:21-29.

Ezekiel 39 never mentions the glorious Return of Jesus, as Revelation 19:11-21 describes it.
That Chapter says how the Lord will gather His peoples into all of the Holy Land and they will exemplify His Holiness for other nations to see.. Ezekiel 39:27 Jesus will not be physically present.

Why would you think that some leader of the rest of the word would have to be in Jersualem at the time of the Gog/Magog attack ?

I do not think that!
He would surely know and probably encourage Gog to make his attack. That leader won't be there to make the so called covenant, at that time, as he knows Gog and his horde intend to wipe out Gods people in Jerusalem and all of the Holy Land.

You have agreed that Daniel 9:27 and the Gog/Magog attack cannot be the same day, I say they cannot be the same week or month, Only maybe; later in the same year.

Your placement of most of the other time periods, are also in error.

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel 39 never mentions the glorious Return of Jesus, as Revelation 19:11-21 describes it.
That Chapter says how the Lord will gather His peoples into all of the Holy Land and they will exemplify His Holiness for other nations to see.. Ezekiel 39:27 Jesus will not be physically present.

keras, take a look at Ezekiel 39:17-20 and compare it with Revelation 19:17-18. It is talking about the birds and wild animals gorging themselves on the armies that will attempt to make war on Jesus and His army. In Revelation 19:21, they stuff themselves, eating on those dead bodies.

Ezekiel 39:
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

Revelation 19:
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

[Douggg]

I do not think that!
He would surely know and probably encourage Gog to make his attack. That leader won't be there to make the so called covenant, at that time, as he knows Gog and his horde intend to wipe out Gods people in Jerusalem and all of the Holy Land.

okay, I misunderstood what you wrote in post #6.

 

[Douggg]

You have agreed that Daniel 9:27 and the Gog/Magog attack cannot be the same day, I say they cannot be the same week or month, Only maybe; later in the same year.

I am not understanding your scenario.

Are you saying that the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years of Daniel 9:27 is before or after the Gog/Magog attack ?

 

[keras]

keras, take a look at Ezekiel 39:17-20 and compare it with Revelation 19:17-18. It is talking about the birds and wild animals gorging themselves on the armies that will attempt to make war on Jesus and His army. In Revelation 19:21, they stuff themselves, eating on those dead bodies.

This fate happens to just about every dead soldier, since time immemorial. It does not make a parallel of the G/M and Armageddon battles.
They are absolutely different battles; time, location, reason, combatants, and the fate of their leaders.

What it is different from them both, is the Sixth Seal worldwide destruction by fire; the enemies will be as ashes under your feet. Malachi 4:3, Hebrews 10:27 The next Prophesied event, which will commence all the end times, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus.

Are you saying that the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years of Daniel 9:27 is before or after the Gog/Magog attack ?

The 7 year agreement for peace and security, of Daniel 9:27 must be made after the attack and destruction of Gog and his horde.
The total annihilation of Gog's army, will frighten the leader of the rest of the world, so he comes to Gods people in the Holy Land and negotiates a treaty; basically to give him time to prepare his own attack, which will be successful, as Zechariah 14:1-2 & Revelation 13:7 says.

God's faithful peoples must trust the Lord for protection, as they live undefended as the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
The Lord saves them from Gog and displays His power, but when they agree to this treaty, they will have gone from trusting in the Lord. to trusting in a piece of paper and Isaiah 28:14-15 describes the consequences. Also: Daniel 11:32

 

[Fisherking]

Here are all the end times times frames in the bible by chapter in the order they appear in the first diagram. Then by fit in the second diagram.

Chart A

1-2 Ezekiel 39 may be parallel 7 years. The 7 Months doesn't have to be at that start of the 7 years it could be before, and 7 equals completion, so it could just be saying to complete this mission it will take many months, but not years.

I will skip to the bottom chart now.

Chart B

1.) The Gentiles will conquer Jerusalem for 42 months MEANING it is Israel in the land today.
2.) The Beast indeed reigns for 42 months.
3.) Satan is cast out of heaven and goes after Israel for 42 months.
4.) The Little Horn is the Beast from #2 above, so this is duplicative in actuality.
5.) The holy peoples or Jacob's troubles last 42 months.

6.) Looks like you have the 1335 as 1335 days before Jesus' 2nd coming on the chart, but you call it the AoD whilst its really the Two-witnesses starting point, the preach for 1260 days, starting 75 days before the Beast comes to power as the Conquering Beast over Israel. Thus they must also die 75 days before he dies.

7.) The 2300 "days" is only 1150 days and thus fits inside the Beasts 1260 day reign. Its 2300 Evening and Morning Sacrifices that are being taken away, that covers 1150 days. If you had the Cubs playing 80 home games but 40 doubleheaders, and if you took away the Afternoon and Night Games then that would cover only 40 days, not 80 days.

8.) 7 years is 7 years.
9.) 7 years is 7 years.
10.) I talked about the 7 Months up in the Chart A portion.

This is where you have always gotten WAY OFF KILTER

11.) The 1260 days of Preaching starts at the 1335, merely 75 days before the middle of the week events.

12.) Both are one and the same, the people who repent do so by the preaching of the Two-witnesses who must get them to repent before the 1290 which comes 45 days after the 1335, so the window is really only 45 days, maybe 75 days, because Israel has 30 days to flee Judea before they get conquered at the 1260 the rest of the time the Two-witnesses d what Moses did in Egypt, they ANNOUNCE or PRAY DOWN God's Wrath, thus is why they can die after the 2nd Woe and just before the 3rd Woe (7th Trump) because once they pray for it to fall onto mankind their job is over.

13.) The 3.5 days doesn't really mean much tbh, it only gives hope to their side so they can gather all the cowards out of the caves and other places they are hiding in. The Two-witnesses have Glorious bodies, God allows them to be "killed" (WINK WINK) to give us a 1260 day timeline we can Juxtapose against the Beasts 1260 day timeline in order to understand both of their timelines by comparing them against each other.

14.) I have explained the 1290 above.

15.) The 5 Months happens after the Asteroid hits the Earth (Trumps 1-4). It lasts 5 months.

 

[Douggg]

This fate happens to just about every dead soldier, since time immemorial. It does not make a parallel of the G/M and Armageddon battles.

keras, I am not saying that the Gog/Magog event is the same as Armageddon.

I am pointing out that at the end of the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9, in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the same feast as in Revelation 19:17-18 at Jesus's return.

 

[keras]

I am pointing out that at the end of the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9, in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the same feast as in Revelation 19:17-18 at Jesus's return.

And I'm hitting you on the head with a short 2x4, by showing how impossible it is for those two battles to be contemporaneous.

It actually seems that saying;- dead carcasses are food for the carnivorous birds, is to denigrate them; as rubbish of no value.
There are in fact; no carnivorous animals and very few birds, anywhere in the Middle East.

 

[Douggg]

And I'm hitting you on the head with a short 2x4, by showing how impossible it is for those two battles to be contemporaneous.

keras, again, I am not saying that Gog/Magog and Armageddon are the same battle.

Ezekiel 39:17-20 is 7 years after the Gog/Magog event. See my chart below.

Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to earth.

Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them. kjv

Ezekiel 39:21 is Jesus setting his glory among the heathen, i.e. Jesus has returned to earth to rule over the nations, And the nations will have seen how Jesus destroyed those armies gathered against him.

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[Douggg]

11.) The 1260 days of Preaching starts at the 1335, merely 75 days before the middle of the week events.

If you notice on the first diagram the time frames of the same description are colored coded the same. And then on the second diagram the color coded time frames are grouped together.

The 1260 days are color coded yellow.

The 1260 days (Revelation 11:3) of the two witnesses and the 1260 days (Revelation 12:6) of Israel fed the word of God - both start at the beginning of the 7 years.

In Revelation 12, Revelation 12:6, the 1260 days - is the first half of the 7 years. Revelation 12:14, the times, time, half time - the second half of the 7 years.

 

[Douggg]

I noted the great tribulation to be 1335 days long on this diagram.

 

[keras]

Ezekiel 39:17-20 is 7 years after the Gog/Magog even

Obviously it isn't.
That Prophecy refers to the just happened destruction of Gog and his horde.

Ezekiel 39:21 is Jesus setting his glory among the heathen, i.e. Jesus has returned to earth to rule over the nations, And the nations will have seen how Jesus destroyed those armies gathered against him.

Ezekiel 39:27 When I bring My people out of the nations....... I shall make them exemplify My Holiness for many nations to see.
How can you understand prophecy when you fail to even read it properly?

I noted the great tribulation to be 1335 days long on this diagram.

Another of your mistakes. The Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, will start when the Temple is desecrated. 2 Thess 2:4 and be over at the 6th to 7th Bowl. Revelation 16:12-18
This will be an exact 1260 day period. The extra 30 and 75 days, come after Jesus has Returned and they fit with the final fulfilment of the Day of Atonement and Hanukkah, respectively.