End times time frames by chapter and fit

[keras]

Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. kjv

Just another example of KJV error.
All the other translations I have looked at say: there shall be two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings.

What happens when Jesus Returns is; It will all be over. Revelation 16:17
Excepting for Daniel 12:11 & 12, where the extra 30 and 75 days after the Return, will fulfil Atonement and Hanukkah, respectively.

 

[Douggg]

What happens when Jesus Returns is; It will all be over. Revelation 16:17
Excepting for Daniel 12:11 & 12, where the extra 30 and 75 days after the Return, will fulfil Atonement and Hanukkah, respectively.

keras, you are evading providing a list of the time frames that end their duration, the day that Jesus returns.

My list is...
Revelation 11:2.......42 months
Revelation 13:5.......42 months
Revelation 12:14.....time, times, half time
Daniel 7:25................time, times, half time
Daniel 12:7................time, times, half time
Daniel 12:12.............1335 days
Daniel 8:14................2300 days
Daniel 9:27................7 years
Ezekiel 39:9...............7 years

 

[Douggg]

All the other translations I have looked at say: there shall be two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings.

keras, does not every single day have a morning and an evening ? An AM and a PM ?

The mornings and evenings is just reflecting that the daily sacrifice consists of two lambs offered every day.

Also, for the great tribulation of 1335 days, there will be no lambs sacrificed. The daily sacrifice will be stopped.

 

[keras]

keras, you are evading

Says Douggg; the master at evasion, of ignoring correction and historical proofs.
The 2300 evenings and mornings are 1150 days. The proof of this IS how they were fulfilled in 167-64 BC.

Also, for the great tribulation of 1335 days, there will be no lambs sacrificed. The daily sacrifice will be stopped.

The "beast' will stop the sacrifice at the mid point of the final 7 years. NOT 75 days earlier, that is a gross addition to scripture.
The three Fall Feasts, will be fulfilled - At the Return = Tabernacles, 30 days later = Atonement, then 75 days later = Hanukkah, when the Temple will be cleansed and re-dedicated.

The Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, will be exactly 1260 days, or 42 months, or 3 1/2 years.
It will start with the 'beast' conquering the Holy peoples and then sitting in the Temple. Zechariah 14:1-2, 2 Thess 2:4
And finish with the 7th Bowl; Armageddon.

 

[Douggg]

Says Douggg; the master at evasion, of ignoring correction and historical proofs.
The 2300 evenings and mornings are 1150 days. The proof of this IS how they were fulfilled in 167-64 BC.

The "beast' will stop the sacrifice at the mid point of the final 7 years. NOT 75 days earlier, that is a gross addition to scripture.
The three Fall Feasts, will be fulfilled - At the Return = Tabernacles, 30 days later = Atonement, then 75 days later = Hanukkah, when the Temple will be cleansed and re-dedicated.

The Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, will be exactly 1260 days, or 42 months, or 3 1/2 years.
It will start with the 'beast' conquering the Holy peoples and then sitting in the Temple. Zechariah 14:1-2, 2 Thess 2:4
And finish with the 7th Bowl; Armageddon.

keras,- provide a list, from the below prophecy time frames, that end their duration the day that Jesus returns.

 

[keras]

keras,- provide a list, from the below prophecy time frames, that end their duration the day that Jesus returns.

Daniel 7:25
" 9:27
" 12:7
Revelation 11:2 & 3
" 11:11..... The 2 Witnesses will rise as Jesus Returns. With all those killed for their faith during the reign of the 'beast'. Rev 20:4
" 12:6 & 14 Plus verse 17, which tells about those Christians who failed to trust the Lord for protection.
" 13:5

I do object to your constant posting of lists, that have many errors and speculations.

Who are Daniels people? .
Daniel was a righteous and God fearing man, his compatriot's are faithful believers. NOT the mixed race people who call themselves Jews and Israelis

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 7:25
" 9:27
" 12:7
Revelation 11:2 & 3
" 11:11..... The 2 Witnesses will rise as Jesus Returns. With all those killed for their faith during the reign of the 'beast'. Rev 20:4
" 12:6 & 14 Plus verse 17, which tells about those Christians who failed to trust the Lord for protection.
" 13:5

So you have these time frames ending their duration at Jesus's return...

Daniel 7:25.............................................a time, times, half time
Daniel 9:27.............................................7 years
Daniel 12:7.............................................a time, times, half time
Revelation 11:2.....................................42 months
Revelation 11:3.....................................1260 days
Revelation 11:11...................................3 1/2 days
Revelation 12:6.....................................1260 days
Revelation 12:14...................................a time, times, half time
Revelation 13:5.....................................42 months

keras, how can the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 end at Jesus's return, when in the text of Revelation 12, the 1260 days come before the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 ?

 

[Douggg]

@keras, next task for you. Provide a list from these prophesy time frames that begin on day 1 of the 7 years. I show my list on the second diagram below.

Here's the ones I show...

 

[Douggg]

Who are Daniels people? .
Daniel was a righteous and God fearing man, his compatriot's are faithful believers. NOT the mixed race people who call themselves Jews and Israelis

Daniel was a Jew, was he not ? And in Daniel 9 had Daniel not prayed about how his people had transgressed the Mt. Sinai covenant ?

Israeli is a national citizenship. Being a Jew is an ethnicity. There are Jews all around the world who are not citizens of Israel.

Daniel's people are the Jews. The 70 weeks (of years) prophecy are determined upon Daniel's people the Jews and Jerusalem. Daniel 9:24.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[Douggg]

Says Douggg; the master at evasion, of ignoring correction and historical proofs.
The 2300 evenings and mornings are 1150 days. The proof of this IS how they were fulfilled in 167-64 BC.

keras, do any of the translations you have read have "1150 days" in the text ?

 

[keras]

keras, do any of translations you have read have "1150 days" in the text ?

No, but a child can figure that a day has 1 evening and 1 morning.
Also the figure of 2300. or 1150 do not fit anywhere sensibly or logically in the Revelation narrative.

Being a Jew is an ethnicity. There are Jews all around the world who are not citizens of Israel.

But not one so called Jew; has any proper proof of descent from Judah or Benjamin. The Bible and the historical record inform us how many foreign peoples became Jews by conversion; NOT descent.

Note in Daniel 12:1b, that -your people will be delivered, everyone whose name is entered in the Book. [of Life]
So; how many atheistic, Jesus hating Jews would that be? I'll tell you :- only a remnant. Romans 9:27

Re; #48, the ONLY verse that refers to the start of the final 7 years, is Daniel 9:27.

keras, how can the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 end at Jesus's return, when in the text of Revelation 12, the 1260 days come before the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 ?

keras, how can the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 end at Jesus's return, when in the text of Revelation 12, the 1260 days come before the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 ?

This forum is on a go-slow!

Answer: Rev 12:5 and Rev 12:14 refer to the same removal of Gods Holy peoples to a place of safety on earth.
There will not be two times when God will do this.
Note; that Zephaniah 14:2....half of the city will go into exile.... is also about this same protection of those Christians who kept strong in their faith during the testing times, yet to come.

 

[Douggg]

This forum is on a go-slow!

What does that mean ?

Answer: Rev 12:5 and Rev 12:14 refer to the same removal of Gods Holy peoples to a place of safety on earth.

I think you meant Revelation 12:6.

Revelation 12:6, the 1260 days takes place. Then in Revelation 12:7-9 will be the war in the second heaven when Satan and his angels are cast down to earth.

Then in Revelation 12:14 is the time, times, half time that Satan will try to persecute the woman.

Revelation 12:6 , the 1260 days, is before Revelation 12:14, the time, times, half time. Between the two is the war in heaven, that Satan and his angels will be cast down to earth.

keras, you have the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6, as well as the 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 in the wrong place.

 

[keras]

I think you meant Revelation 12:6.

Yes.
Go slow, is because I waited a little while for your post to come up for reply. So I pressed reply twice and; voila! - it came up twice.

Revelation 12:6, the 1260 days takes place. Then in Revelation 12:7-9 will be the war in the second heaven when Satan and his angels are cast down to earth.

Then in Revelation 12:14 is the time, times, half time that Satan will try to persecute the woman.

There cannot be two times that the Lord will keep His people safe for 3 1/2 years,
Verse 6, is a flash forward to what will happen after Satan has world control. This must happen just before the leader of the rest of the world breaks the 7 year peace treaty with the Holy peoples and sits in the Temple, commencing Satan's 42 month time allowed. Revelation 13:5

Revelation 12:14 simply gives more details, of how Satan will send an army after those in the place of safety.
Verse 17 proves who all this applies to;- two groups of the Christian peoples

keras, you have the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6, as well as the 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 in the wrong place.

Douggg, you have the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6, as well as the 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 in the wrong place......
......and proof that you are wrong is how Jesus will gather His faithful people and the 2 Witnesses to Himself; when He Returns. Matthew 24:30-31

Your charts have the Holy people and the 2 W's, coming out of safety and being raised, when the Great Tribulation starts. Wakadoodle!

 

[Douggg]

Revelation 12:14 simply gives more details, of how Satan will send an army after those in the place of safety.

No, in Revelation 12:7-9 there is the war in heaven which Satan and his angels are cast down to earth after the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6.

Revelation 12:6 + Revelation 12:14 = the 7 years.

Also in Revelation 12:3 to prove that the 7 years total are in that chapter, the seven heads have crowns. Meaning that king 7 has come to power, as the 7 years begin..

In Revelation 13:5, when there are 42 months left, the seven heads no longer have crowns. Meaning that king 7 has been killed.

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Revelation 17 (at the time of John)
heads no crowns, horns no crowns

Revelation 12 (with 7 years left)
heads crowns, horns no crowns

Revelation 13 (with 42 months left)
heads no crowns, horns crowns (to rule with the beast-king, king 8)

 

[Douggg]

@keras

read my post #48. You have a task to list all of the time frames from the list that begin on day 1 of the 7 years.

 

[keras]

read my post #48. You have a task to list all of the time frames from the list that begin on day 1 of the 7 years.

Re; #48, the ONLY verse that refers to the start of the final 7 years, is Daniel 9:27.

 

[keras]

No, in Revelation 12:7-9 there is the war in heaven which Satan and his angels are cast down to earth after the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6.

It is quite illogical and impossible for Rev 12:6 & 14, to happen before Satan is cast out of heaven. There are not two 'women', that is: the peoples of God.

The rest of your post is incoherent and irrelevant.
Crowns and horns are never mentioned in Daniel 11:21-45, the end times story of the Anti-Christ.

 

[Douggg]

It is quite illogical and impossible for Rev 12:6 & 14, to happen before Satan is cast out of heaven. There are not two 'women', that is: the peoples of God.

keras, I did not say that Revelation 12:14 is before Satan is cast down to earth.

Revelation 12:6.
then Revelation 12:7-9, the war in the second heaven and Satan and his angels cast down to earth.
then Revelation 12:14 as Satan tries to persecute woman.

Revelation 12:6 (1260 days) + Revelation 12:14 (time, times, half time) = the 7 years.

 

[Douggg]

The rest of your post is incoherent and irrelevant.
Crowns and horns are never mentioned in Daniel 11:21-45, the end times story of the Anti-Christ.

The heads, horns, crowns, no crowns are in Revelation 17, Revelation 12, Revelation 13.

Revelation 17 (at the time of John)
heads no crowns, horns no crowns

Revelation 12 (with 7 years left)
heads crowns, horns no crowns

Revelation 13 (with 42 months left)
heads no crowns, horns crowns (to rule with the beast-king, king 8)

 

[Douggg]

@keras,

The final task for you is to provide from the list of prophecy time frames, those that neither start on day 1, nor end on the day that Jesus returns.

keras, your remaining time frames to be addressed are:
Ezekiel 39:9..........7 years - where are those going to fit ? Do those 7 years begin before or after day 1? or do those 7 years begin on day 1 ?
Ezekiel 39:12........7 months - where are those going to fit ?
Revelation 9:10...5 months - where are those going to fit ?

Daniel 12:11.........1290 days (I think you said those end 30 days after Jesus returns)
Daniel 12:12.........1335 days (I think you said those end 45 days after Jesus returns)

Here is my list...