I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

[David Lamb]

Who was Jonah ? What's his genealogy.

Well, Jonah 1:1 tells us that Jonah was the son of Amittai. Not a complete genealogy, but a start. 2 Kings tells us where Jonah came from{

“He restored the territory of Israel from the entrance of Hamath to the Sea of the Arabah, according to the word of the LORD God of Israel, which He had spoken through His servant Jonah the son of Amittai, the prophet who was from Gath Hepher.” (2Ki 14:25 NKJV)

 

[trophy33]

It's God's plan. He created the program and we're subject to his programming so, yea, it's in his hands.

No, I do not believe our actions are necessary, like in a software program instructions.

Our actions are certain, but not necessary. We have our free will (even though the "free" here does not mean "unpredictable").

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

I believe these scriptures are clear about that. Am I misunderstanding?

Yer good. And there are many more scriptures in regard to same.

IF we're going to believe in God we might as well believe in a God great enough to save everyone, and not just some pathetic ogre patched together by dire imaginations to others and self justifications

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Because of the verses in the OP and more. I believe they likely went into the Lake of Fire but it's not forever and it's ultimately about chastening for the purpose of correction, refinement, and restoration. Remember, in Revelation Jesus says "Behold, I am making ALL THINGS new!".

Do you believe that Jesus meant all things when he said "all things"?

And the above repents a flaw in the theory. Nothing going in to said lake is ever shown to come out. So if you're going to take out people from the lake of fire, then along comes the devil and his messengers (now you'll have to promote Satanic salvation), death and hell, etc etc.

There is a fine line to walk on these subjects. It's not as easy as ally ally in free, granted. But if one person goes into said lake, then we all go because we are no better than any other sinner and God doesn't do double standards just because we crossed ourselves and did a 4 step sinners prayer

HOWever the solution to the situation is that the devil and his messengers do go to the LoF, forever and ever. And they are not getting out, ever. It's their antiheaven for antiChrist spirits. They'll love it. Trust me.

Now you don't have to try to convince anyone of Satanic salvation because no serious Bible believing student would ever buy into that story

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

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A person has to be born again to enter.

1 John 4:7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

Unfortunately few believers actually believe their eyes on the above.

And then we have all the Jews, saved, in Romans 11:32, even enemies of the Gospel who did nothing to be saved other than being children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Yup, all saved.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

The Parable of Lazarus and The Rich Man says otherwise. He was not in heaven.

~bella

As an interesting side note there is not one single named person in the entire Bible shown to be going to hell, either past, present or future. No not one.

Nor is there a single named person even threatened with such a fate.

Where it should get dicey for everyone is that Jesus really did address another entity class within mankind called the devil and his messengers and did so on nearly every page of the N.T. Gospels. Knowing this a person should be able to properly "divide" one party, mankind, from the other party, the devils, even though we all walk in the same pair of shoes.

All have sin, Romans 3:9
and sin is "of the devil," 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15

Elementary, really.

The account of Lazarus and the Rich man is actually an account of Lazarus and the devil that kept him down his entire life. Just as we are all kept down.

Jesus told us how to dissect all parables in Mark 4:13 where in vs. 15 Jesus tells us the critical parties to understanding all parables. The parties are God, people and devils. So the identity of the rich man without a name should be rather obvious

 

[d taylor]

1 John 4:7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

Unfortunately few believers actually believe their eyes on the above.

And then we have all the Jews, saved, in Romans 11:32, even enemies of the Gospel who did nothing to be saved other than being children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Yup, all saved.

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John is addressing believers and them loving believers.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

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John is addressing believers and them loving believers.

I see the word "everyone"

You supposedly see "only believers"

I do happen to remember the "love your neighbors" rule as well, so it's really a much better fit of understanding and you know, measuring the benefit of the doubt unto others rather than condemning them

 

[bèlla]

Who was Jonah ? What's his genealogy.

Jonah was a prophet to Israel. You can read more about him here.

 

[Clare73]

You don't believe this?

Ephesians 1:7-10
7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[c] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

That occurs at the fullness (end) of time when the earth will be cleansed by fire of all unbelievers and will be the home of righteousness (2 Pe 3:10-13).

 

[Clare73]

I don't think there's much to interpret in the following verse. All people will live.

1 Corinthians 15:22
English Standard Version
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

All are in Adam by natural generation and die, but not all are in Christ by faith and made alive, only those who believe in and trust on him and his atoning sacrifice for the remission of their sin are in Christ and made alive.

 

[Clare73]

From what i'm seeing on this thread , it appears that Gods word is not at fault here but our interpretation of them is.
Ah well I guess thats the way it's always going to be.

Does that include your interpretation?

 

[Beth77]

All are in Adam by natural generation and die, but not all are in Christ by faith and made alive, only those who believe in and trust on him and his atoning sacrifice for the remission of their sin are in Christ and made alive.

You are twisting a very simple, straightforward, verse in order to make it fit into your theology rather than simply going where the word of God takes you.

Why do you cling to the Satanic lie that Jesus hideously tortures people forever and ever?

 

[Clare73]

You are twisting a very simple, straightforward, verse in order to make it fit into your theology rather than simply going where the word of God takes you.

Why do you cling to the Satanic lie that Jesus hideously tortures people forever and ever?

Mk 9:47-48 - "
"It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into Gehenna where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched."

 

[timothyu]

Salvation came by way of the resurrection, something previously not available until Jesus did what was required of Him to bring it about. However not all are saved, but awakened, some to the second death, some to the Kingdom. Those who are His, already follow His commandments here and promote His only gospel, the Gospel of the Kingdom. That not being some nation but the absolute power and authourity of the Father over all adversarial spirits in both elohim and mankind. "Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done in earth as it is in Heaven"

 

[trophy33]

Mk 9:47-48 - "
"It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into Gehenna where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched."

Gehenna was not about any kind of eternal torture, though.

Gehenna was a valley, a burning garbage dump outside Jerusalem, where dead animals and criminals' corpses were burned continuously.

It was the fire and the "worm" (decay) that was continuous. Not some suffering. Nobody suffered there.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

That is incorrect.

Matthew 25:46 in Greek

Καὶ ἀπελεύσονται οὗτοι εἰς κόλασιν αἰώνιον οἱ δὲ δίκαιοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον

Which word for word translates as: And will go away these into eternal punishment but the righteous into life eternal

But if it's true then all of the verses in the OP are false.

they are not false, perhaps you just misinterpret them. No where in the Bible is speaks of temporary punishment in hell, it's always eternal.

If you reject the Saviour, then you reject eternal life.

 

[timothyu]

No where in the Bible is speaks of temporary punishment in hell, it's always eternal.

Of course. The second death is eternal.. No more resurrection or second chances. The body once returned to dust. Now the spirt is obliterated also.

Matthew 10: 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

DESTROY, not torture.
When God created everything there was both good and evil. It was essential as far as balance goes. God Himself said it was good. We were warned not to tamper with what was perfect. We upset the balance through misuse. So the cancer that corrupted the balance between good and evil is no more while others in the Kingdom, still aware of the knowledge leave it up to the Father as originally commanded, not use it for themselves..

 

[Dan Perez]

As an interesting side note there is not one single named person in the entire Bible shown to be going to hell, either past, present or future. No not one.

Nor is there a single named person even threatened with such a fate.

Where it should get dicey for everyone is that Jesus really did address another entity class within mankind called the devil and his messengers and did so on nearly every page of the N.T. Gospels. Knowing this a person should be able to properly "divide" one party, mankind, from the other party, the devils, even though we all walk in the same pair of shoes.

All have sin, Romans 3:9
and sin is "of the devil," 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15

Elementary, really.

The account of Lazarus and the Rich man is actually an account of Lazarus and the devil that kept him down his entire life. Just as we are all kept down.

Jesus told us how to dissect all parables in Mark 4:13 where in vs. 15 Jesus tells us the critical parties to understanding all parables. The parties are God, people and devils. So the identity of the rich man without a name should be rather obvious

And your thoghts on 1 John 5:18 says , We know that whosoever is BORN of God , SINNETH ,

NOT / OV , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE , which means that person will NEVERRRRRR EVER SIN AGAIN ?

dan p

 

[Jipsah]

God doesn't force anyone to love Him.

But apparently He doesn't mind having them tortured for all eternity if they don't. That's Unconditional Love in action right there, innit?

He will, however, give men the chance to turn from evil and unto righteousness.

And if they don't, torture them forever. "His mercy endures forever." Maybe "malice" was the word they were actually looking for.

But that patience has a dead-line.

But torture presumably does not.